Is The Modern Left "Depraved"?

[PoliticalChic]

Democrats can learn from the governor of Utah, a wise and judicious man, clearly far, far from a (current) Democrat official, who made the comparison with Saint George Floyd's death.

Our side has vigils, and prayers, not violence, riots, arson and murder.


Our nation is as a crossroad.


As in the recent election, freedom, free speech, is the issue.

 

[Robert W]

Well, at least all you do is lie.....you don't shoot those who disagree.



Vote Democrart?
That plants you firmly as opposed to freedom, free speech and the sanctity of life.
Can I get an AMEN.

He does not have the talent you have were he to actually have gone to an ivy league school. Amen

 

[PoliticalChic]

And here we see more stupidity wrapped in an Ivy League education. The killer of Kirk was a far-right groyper. A follower of Nick FuEntes. Nick Fuentes didn't like Charlie Kirk. In the Big 12 school I attended, we were taught how to do research. I guess at Columbia, you get to make things up and repeat them over and over, believing that if you do that often enough, your BS will start to be seen as truth, because after all, it's from an Ivy League graduate.

"....I guess at Columbia, you get to make things up...."


1. I learned my allegiance to honesty growing up, my family,, it has nothing to do with Columbia.

2. If I made anything up in the OP to which you voluntarily subscribed, please find it:

The reason government school doesen't teach actual history is so that you don't know that the slaughter of opponents has always been the hallmark of the Left.



1. The orignin of the Left in Western Civilization is considered to be the French Revolution.
The French Revolution, which gave rise to the Russian Revolution, and that of Mao. Rousseau believed private property was the cause of the corruption of the human character, and private property should be abolished, and ending it would purify humanity. He believed that any who disagreed with the general will should be treated like a wild beast (killed). Government used terror as a policy.



2.The Democrat Party has always been largely leftist.
Historic review: every presidential assassin in the history of the nation has been a liberal/Democrat- or has not been associated with a political outlook- none were right-wingers.

a. John Wilkes Booth was opposed to President Lincoln’s Republican war policies. His letter to is family explained he was furious with Lincoln for having brought war to the South! THE MURDERER OF MR. LINCOLN.; Extraordinary Letter of John Wilkes Booth Proof that He Meditated His Crime Months Ago His Excuses for the Contemplated Act His Participation in the Execution of John Brown. Commissioners of Public Charities and Correction. Fires. The Seventh Ward Fire Note from Chief Engineer Decker. (Published 1865)

Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, “…an angry Copperhead, a.k.a., ‘peace democrat,’ (when that meant pro-slavery, of course.) John Wilkes Booth - Liberapedia




3. Martin Luther King, and Abraham Lincoln were both assassinated by Democrats. James Earl Ray was a volunteer for Democrat George Wallace. The Left always believe that murder is the appropriate response to disagreement.




4. James T. Hodgkinson: Bernie Sanders supporter, strongly anti ...
https://www.cnn.com › 2017/06/14 › homepage2 › james...
Jun 15, 2017 — James T. Hodgkinson, the man identified as shooting a Republican member of congress and four others on Wednesday morning, was a small ...




5. I have often explained my Trump vote as primarily based on the desire for freedom, specifically free speech. In the Charlie Kirk assassination we see exactly what history documents as the Left's answer to speech they don't agree with.



Vote Democrart?
That plants you firmly as opposed to freedom, free speech and the sanctity of life.
Can I get an AMEN.




3. I would like you to realize that when you can't find any errors in my OP, you have essentially verified all of it.
Thank you.

 

[Winston]

Having an argument with yourself is a symptom of schizophrenia.

That is your response? You poor widdle victimized white man.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Heck, no.
The reason government school doesen't teach actual history is so that you don't know that the slaughter of opponents has always been the hallmark of the Left.

1. The orignin of the Left in Western Civilization is considered to be the French Revolution.
The French Revolution, which gave rise to the Russian Revolution, and that of Mao. Rousseau believed private property was the cause of the corruption of the human character, and private property should be abolished, and ending it would purify humanity. He believed that any who disagreed with the general will should be treated like a wild beast (killed). Government used terror as a policy.

2.The Democrat Party has always been largely leftist.
Historic review: every presidential assassin in the history of the nation has been a liberal/Democrat- or has not been associated with a political outlook- none were right-wingers.

a. John Wilkes Booth was opposed to President Lincoln’s Republican war policies. His letter to is family explained he was furious with Lincoln for having brought war to the South! THE MURDERER OF MR. LINCOLN.; Extraordinary Letter of John Wilkes Booth Proof that He Meditated His Crime Months Ago His Excuses for the Contemplated Act His Participation in the Execution of John Brown. Commissioners of Public Charities and Correction. Fires. The Seventh Ward Fire Note from Chief Engineer Decker. (Published 1865)

Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, “…an angry Copperhead, a.k.a., ‘peace democrat,’ (when that meant pro-slavery, of course.) John Wilkes Booth - Liberapedia

3. Martin Luther King, and Abraham Lincoln were both assassinated by Democrats. James Earl Ray was a volunteer for Democrat George Wallace. The Left always believe that murder is the appropriate response to disagreement.

4. James T. Hodgkinson: Bernie Sanders supporter, strongly anti ...
https://www.cnn.com › 2017/06/14 › homepage2 › james...
Jun 15, 2017 — James T. Hodgkinson, the man identified as shooting a Republican member of congress and four others on Wednesday morning, was a small ...

5. I have often explained my Trump vote as primarily based on the desire for freedom, specifically free speech. In the Charlie Kirk assassination we see exactly what history documents as the Left's answer to speech they don't agree with.
Vote Democrart?
That plants you firmly as opposed to freedom, free speech and the sanctity of life.
Can I get an AMEN.

I would say the "modern far left" is depraved. Many liberal Democrats have loudly condemned Charlie Kirk's assassination and would never consider supporting such an action.

However, as we are seeing online, many radicals on the far left are just fine with the killing of conservative activists. They see it as a justified response to "hate speech," "racism," "fascism," "homophobia," "transphobia," and "bigotry."

 

[PoliticalChic]

I would say the "modern far left" is depraved. Many liberal Democrats have loudly condemned Charlie Kirk's assassination and would never consider supporting such an action.

However, as we are seeing online, many radicals on the far left are just fine with the killing of conservative activists. They see it as a justified response to "hate speech," "racism," "fascism," "homophobia," "transphobia," and "bigotry."

I can see the distinction, Fetterman for example.

But the "far Left" is in control of the party today.

 

[PoliticalChic]

 

[PoliticalChic]

This is the history forum,, and we can learn about the recent slaughter from an excellent book....

A study of the history of society suggests that not all humans advance at the same rate, and that the more savage and atavistic of our fellow Homo sapien seem to have gravitated to a particular politicat party.

To blunt the spearhead of disagreement, let me remind that the French Revolution is what has spawned the Russian Revolution, the Nazi ideology, Mao's long march, and an identifyable similarity with the agenda of the Democrat Party.



During the French Revolution, the provenance of the Bolsheviks and the Nazis, and the Fascists, the elites claimed to be infused with the 'will of the people," the "general will."
“We must reason about all things,” and anyone who ‘refuses to seek out the truth’ thereby renounces his human nature and “should be treated by the rest of his species as a wild beast.” So, once ‘truth’ is determined, anyone who doesn’t accept it was “either insane or wicked and morally evil.” It is not the individual who has the “ right to decide about the nature of right and wrong,” but only “the human race,” expressed as the general will. Himmelfarb, “The Roads to Modernity,” p. 167-68

 

[Mushroom]

Leftism is a sociopathic expression of hostility towards others who are seen as preventing one's own happiness.

And attacking any who dare disagree with them.

And they also absolutely love to gaslight anybody that refuses to go along with their crazy beliefs. I am sick to death of anybody that accuses me of lying when it comes out I am of American Indian descent. They always seem to believe that anybody in any kind of a minority group absolutely has to be lying if they do not just automatically follow their beliefs like a bunch of sheep.

The ironic thing is, I am politically quite liberal. Which in reality is nothing like "Leftists" want us to believe. Just as they can not comprehend that JFK was a "Conservative Democrat" and Nixon was a "Liberal Republican". They will try and shove anybody they think is "one of theirs" into their own camp, and everybody else is automatically their enemy.

Which in the last couple of years means a mandatory appending of "Fascist" as a description of them.

 

[Mushroom]

I would say the "modern far left" is depraved. Many liberal Democrats have loudly condemned Charlie Kirk's assassination and would never consider supporting such an action.

On both sides, I have long seen them as being simply different sides of the same coin.

Far Right, Far Left, I honestly can not tell the two apart anymore. And anybody even slightly to the other side of those groups is automatically shoved into the other extreme.

At least in my experience, those on the Far Right have no problem in stating that those on the Far Right are nutcases and should be ignored. But more and more I am seeing a lot of people on the Left saying that all should accept the Far Left mindset, and anybody that does not is a Fascist.

Even a lot of my Liberal family members are starting to distance themselves. With my aunt it was over forcing people to accept genetically and fully male men into restrooms, changing rooms and in female athletics. For one of my sons it was the violence and riots that broke out in many cities a month or so back and is still going on in some today. Even my wife has totally distanced herself over the entire immigration nonsense.

And unless they figure out what they are doing wrong, 2028 is going to be a repeat of 2024. They have gone so far to the Far Left that they are quickly losing the Center. And for either side politically, it is not their own supporters that decides elections it's the huge numbers in the center. And I am shaking my head as they are pushing the center completely away from themselves.

Everybody should be condemning the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Hell, even Martin Luther King III condemned it.

“Violence, no matter the target or justification, is never the answer. The shooting of Charlie Kirk is not only a tragedy for one man—it is a wound to the soul of our nation. It may silence a voice, but it cannot change a heart or heal a nation. While I strongly disagree with Charlie Kirk on most issues, especially his comments about my father, we all agree that political violence is inexcusable. Disagreements must be addressed through civil conversations and free, fair elections.”

‘Political violence is inexcusable’: MLK’s son calls for unity after Charlie Kirk shooting sparks heated online discourse

The conservative commentator’s death has fueled online backlash and reflection. King’s son says healing is the urgent task. The shooting

www.yahoo.com

I am now pretty much dismissing anybody that approves of such actions. I simply can not tolerate the type of people who would promote violence over actual discourse.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And attacking any who dare disagree with them.

And they also absolutely love to gaslight anybody that refuses to go along with their crazy beliefs. I am sick to death of anybody that accuses me of lying when it comes out I am of American Indian descent. They always seem to believe that anybody in any kind of a minority group absolutely has to be lying if they do not just automatically follow their beliefs like a bunch of sheep.

The ironic thing is, I am politically quite liberal. Which in reality is nothing like "Leftists" want us to believe. Just as they can not comprehend that JFK was a "Conservative Democrat" and Nixon was a "Liberal Republican". They will try and shove anybody they think is "one of theirs" into their own camp, and everybody else is automatically their enemy.

Which in the last couple of years means a mandatory appending of "Fascist" as a description of them.

I am gratified to see this post by an admitted "quite liberal."

It gives me hope that there is a future for America.


Thank you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

On both sides, I have long seen them as being simply different sides of the same coin.

Far Right, Far Left, I honestly can not tell the two apart anymore. And anybody even slightly to the other side of those groups is automatically shoved into the other extreme.

At least in my experience, those on the Far Right have no problem in stating that those on the Far Right are nutcases and should be ignored. But more and more I am seeing a lot of people on the Left saying that all should accept the Far Left mindset, and anybody that does not is a Fascist.

Even a lot of my Liberal family members are starting to distance themselves. With my aunt it was over forcing people to accept genetically and fully male men into restrooms, changing rooms and in female athletics. For one of my sons it was the violence and riots that broke out in many cities a month or so back and is still going on in some today. Even my wife has totally distanced herself over the entire immigration nonsense.

And unless they figure out what they are doing wrong, 2028 is going to be a repeat of 2024. They have gone so far to the Far Left that they are quickly losing the Center. And for either side politically, it is not their own supporters that decides elections it's the huge numbers in the center. And I am shaking my head as they are pushing the center completely away from themselves.

Everybody should be condemning the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Hell, even Martin Luther King III condemned it.

‘Political violence is inexcusable’: MLK’s son calls for unity after Charlie Kirk shooting sparks heated online discourse

The conservative commentator’s death has fueled online backlash and reflection. King’s son says healing is the urgent task. The shooting

www.yahoo.com

I am now pretty much dismissing anybody that approves of such actions. I simply can not tolerate the type of people who would promote violence over actual discourse.

Point of clarification.......
"Far Right, Far Left, I honestly can not tell the two apart anymore."


Let me help.

There is no Far Right in this nation.......only a Far Left that has taken control of the Democrat Party.




Let me prove it.



....the only extremists in the nation are the Leftists/ Democrats

You will not be able to find any radical views on the Right.



"Radical" is important to the discussion. It means "especially of change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough" (see Google.)



It's what the radical Obama was getting at when he said “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” — Barack Obama, October 30, 2008. “
Transforming from the positions that America was built on.....into the Far Left.




Radical positions as opposed to traditional ones identify "Far" Left



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1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage.. Which one is radical?

2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer. Opposing prayer is radical....religiosity is traditional in America.



3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.



Starting to see a pattern?



4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,

LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.



5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
Hence, Far Left..



6. Franklin Roosevelt threw the United States Constitution under the bus, and used the public fisc for all sorts of endeavors not authorized in Article 1, section 8.

A radical and Progressive position.
He was the ultimate "Far Leftist."



7. Under Franklin Roosevlet the federal government was transformed from one of limited & enumerated powers only to the Frankensteinian monster it is today. ....the regulatory welfare state where the federal government regulates business and commerce, natural resources, human resources, ...
Under the Progressives, the federal government was no longer limited by the enumerated powers delegated in the Constitution; ...



Radical to the utmost....hence Far Left.



8. Under Roosevelt's NRA, most manufacturing industries were suddenly forced into government-mandated cartels. Codes that regulated prices and terms of sale briefly transformed much of the American economy into a fascist-style arrangement,

"... into a fascist-style arrangement,..."
"A New Jersey tailor named Jacob Maged was arrested and sent to jail for the “crime” of pressing a suit of clothes for 35 cents rather than the NRA-inspired “Tailor’s Code” of 40 cents."
No surprise here: FDR's New Deal was a copy of Mussolini's economic program.



Could anything short of setting up concentration camps for our citizens, be more radical???



Oh...wait....he did build concentration camps for innocent civilians....his own citizens.



9. How about The Far Left's Gender-Agenda., versus the Right's stand for tradition and reality: "Republicans Battle to Roll Back Washington's New Transgender Bathroom Rules"

Really....could there be a more pertinent example of the radical, insane Far Left's corruption of tradition and history???



Could there?



10. The corruption of the press by the Far Left: the JournoList Scandal: hundreds of Leftist journalists plotted to minimize negative publicity surrounding Obama’s radical ties. They plotted to smear the other side with lies. Peter Zenger....spinnning in his grave.

A clear affront to the honor bestowed on the press by the first amendment.

And don't forget this winner......men can menstruate and have babies and women can become men.









And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or extremist for the Right, or radical Right, or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.

 

[Mushroom]

There is no Far Right in this nation.......only a Far Left that has taken control of the Democrat Party.

If you think that, then you are one of those that is the problem.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If you think that, then you are one of those that is the problem.

I just proved it, you dunce.


The question was can you show any right wing politions contrary to American traditions, values, and history.

And, of course, you can't.

You have simply swallowed the Democrat propaganda.




To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.


The point here is that, I can show that the values called 'Far Right' are actually at the center of American traditions, values, and history represent that center, well then, they cannot be correctly awarded the modifier "Far."




Now say "duhhhhhhhh...."

 

[Mushroom]

I just proved it, you dunce.

And this is why I say the Far Right and the Far Left are exactly the same.

Both of them will attack anybody that does not automatically just agree with them.

Thank you for proving my point that there is no difference between the two, two sides of the same coin.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And this is why I say the Far Right and the Far Left are exactly the same.

Both of them will attack anybody that does not automatically just agree with them.

Thank you for proving my point that there is no difference between the two, two sides of the same coin.

Actuallly, you say it because you are a dunce.
The only point you have is under your duncecap.


You cannot find any "far" beliefs on the Right.


I suggest you change your handle to "DUNCE forthwith.