Is the Israel-Palestine conflict the model for the future?

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The Israel-Palestine conflict is the 1st turf war in History that successfully combines fanatism with genocide. Many countries copy this model, e.g. Sudan in Darfur or Serbia in Kosovo.

Can every country be broken up one way or another and an Israel-Palestine style civil war be started over its territory?
 

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The Israel-Palestine conflict is the 1st turf war in History that successfully combines fanatism with genocide. Many countries copy this model, e.g. Sudan in Darfur or Serbia in Kosovo.
Come again?
1. There isn't and hasn't been any Genocide in the I-P conflict. (provide names and numbers if you think so)
2. In no way would it have been the First Turf war to do so.

Other than that you were perfect.

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Can every country be broken up one way or another and an Israel-Palestine style civil war be started over its territory?
Maybe.
Even the USA has separatists. Canada too.

Of course (and even in the area) Lebanon has had a Civil War for 40 years, and Syria more recently, is far more brutal than I-P.
Really splendido assertions you've made in light of so many Recent events (ie, Arab Spring), and So/Too many past ones to name.
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The Israel-Palestine conflict is the 1st turf war in History that successfully combines fanatism with genocide. Many countries copy this model, e.g. Sudan in Darfur or Serbia in Kosovo.

Can every country be broken up one way or another and an Israel-Palestine style civil war be started over its territory?
I don't know what you're babbling at, bud

Genocide?:cuckoo:
 

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The Israel-Palestine conflict is the 1st turf war in History that successfully combines fanatism with genocide. Many countries copy this model, e.g. Sudan in Darfur or Serbia in Kosovo.

Can every country be broken up one way or another and an Israel-Palestine style civil war be started over its territory?
I don't know what you're babbling at, bud

Genocide?:cuckoo:
Destroying sources of food.
Destroying sources of water.
Destroying shelter.

Things Israel does regularly that are acts of genocide.
 
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It appears that most cities in Israel's territory were 50-50% jew-palestinian before 1947. Now they are 0% palestinian. These numbers do qualify for genocide, right?
 

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It appears that most cities in Israel's territory were 50-50% jew-palestinian before 1947. Now they are 0% palestinian. These numbers do qualify for genocide, right?
Do you know what the word genocide means? Look it up.
 
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anotherlife said:
Can every country be broken up one way or another and an Israel-Palestine style civil war be started over its territory?
Maybe.
Even the USA has separatists. Canada too.

Of course (and even in the area) Lebanon has had a Civil War for 40 years, and Syria more recently, is far more brutal than I-P.
Really splendido assertions you've made in light of so many Recent events (ie, Arab Spring), and So/Too many past ones to name.
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Your data are interesting ... what can be the basic reason for such spreading events? Are they a result of the evolution of local finances as opposed to regional/global finances around these countries? Or are they a result of direct decisions of hidden power brokers who control the areas?
 

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It appears that most cities in Israel's territory were 50-50% jew-palestinian before 1947. Now they are 0% palestinian. These numbers do qualify for genocide, right?
Genocide and ethnic cleansing are 2 different things.
 

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It appears that most cities in Israel's territory were 50-50% jew-palestinian before 1947. Now they are 0% palestinian. These numbers do qualify for genocide, right?
Also, that is inaccurate. As anyone who has ever been to Israel knows, there are many Arabs who live in Israel proper. 20% of the population is Arab. Haifa and Nazareth are mixed-population cities, among others.
 
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It appears that most cities in Israel's territory were 50-50% jew-palestinian before 1947. Now they are 0% palestinian. These numbers do qualify for genocide, right?
Do you know what the word genocide means? Look it up.
It means that the population before genocide is X and after genocide is 0, doesn't it? Just like the number of Palestinians in Israel.
 
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It appears that most cities in Israel's territory were 50-50% jew-palestinian before 1947. Now they are 0% palestinian. These numbers do qualify for genocide, right?
Genocide and ethnic cleansing are 2 different things.
I think ethnic clensing is the European word for genocide, and the name of Serbia's Kosovo genocide. Also the name of Europe's push for ethnically pure nation states.

It appears that most cities in Israel's territory were 50-50% jew-palestinian before 1947. Now they are 0% palestinian. These numbers do qualify for genocide, right?
Also, that is inaccurate. As anyone who has ever been to Israel knows, there are many Arabs who live in Israel proper. 20% of the population is Arab. Haifa and Nazareth are mixed-population cities, among others.
I think it is engineered down to 20 % because international law mandates the enforcement of minority rights above 20 %.
 

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No, I do not believe that the Israel-Palestinian conflict is a model for turf-wars of the future.

The IP-Conflict is the result of unique factors, never-again to be repeated in our lifetimes or the foreseeable future.

As to 'genocide' being committed...

Nonsense...

Rubbish...

Latter-day revisionist definitions to the contrary notwithstanding...

It might very well be that the Israelis are squeezing the Palestinians off their land...

It might very well be that the Israelis have a long-range plan to evict and expel every last Muslim-Arab Palestinian between the river and the sea, who did not stay in 1948...

But that's merely Eviction and Expulsion...

Much as the Muslims did to more than a million Jews in various Muslim countries in the 1948-1975 timeframe...

Much as the English did to the Jews a few hundred years ago...

Much as the Spaniards did to the Jews a few hundred years ago...

Much as the Russians did to the Jews a couple of hundred years ago...

Much as most of Europe and the Mediterranean Basin has done to the Jews over the centuries...

Much as the Czechs and Poles did to ethnic Germans in the 1945-1946 timeframe...

Much as the Indians and Pakistanis did to each other's ethnic-folk in the 1947 timeframe...

At worst, it's Ethnic Cleansing...

But at least the victims are alive at the end of the sequence - uprooted and relocated though they are...

A far cry from genocide...

Wake me up when the Israelis start killing every Muslim-Arab-Palestinian man, woman and child in Gaza and the West Bank, and then charges of 'genocide' will have some merit...
 
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It appears that most cities in Israel's territory were 50-50% jew-palestinian before 1947. Now they are 0% palestinian. These numbers do qualify for genocide, right?
These numbers qualify a stupid "nation" that starts a war it doesn't realize they cannot possibly win.

They opened a war in 1947. They lost.

Do losing nations win prizes in wars they initiate?
 

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It appears that most cities in Israel's territory were 50-50% jew-palestinian before 1947. Now they are 0% palestinian. These numbers do qualify for genocide, right?
Do you know what the word genocide means? Look it up.
It means that the population before genocide is X and after genocide is 0, doesn't it? Just like the number of Palestinians in Israel.
They escaped like cowards. Nothing to do with genocide.
 

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It appears that most cities in Israel's territory were 50-50% jew-palestinian before 1947. Now they are 0% palestinian. These numbers do qualify for genocide, right?
These numbers qualify a stupid "nation" that starts a war it doesn't realize they cannot possibly win.

They opened a war in 1947. They lost.

Do losing nations win prizes in wars they initiate?
When did the Palestinians lose a war?

Link?
 

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40% of the Israeli population is arab (palestinian). As citizens of Israel, they are called Israelis. They enjoy the same rights and obligations.
Palestinians are those who left, living in the WB or Gaza and when they negotiate land exchange, a peace and security deal with Israel, they will have the country the Arabs refused them in '48.
Palestinians don't want an apartheid state, they want a Juden-rien state
 

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40% of the Israeli population is arab (palestinian). As citizens of Israel, they are called Israelis. They enjoy the same rights and obligations.
Palestinians are those who left, living in the WB or Gaza and when they negotiate land exchange, a peace and security deal with Israel, they will have the country the Arabs refused them in '48.
Palestinians don't want an apartheid state, they want a Juden-rien state
Is the percentage of Arabs in Israel proper really that high--40% or almost half? Link? I thought it was about 20%. According to most polls, Jews comprise about 83% of Israel's population, or something like that.
 
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It appears that most cities in Israel's territory were 50-50% jew-palestinian before 1947. Now they are 0% palestinian. These numbers do qualify for genocide, right?
Do you know what the word genocide means? Look it up.
It means that the population before genocide is X and after genocide is 0, doesn't it? Just like the number of Palestinians in Israel.
No it doesn't.
It means the number of 'Palestinians'/Assorted-Arabs/etc, in Israel AND Palestine, formerly all 'palestine' before the Partition.

That total number has grown strongly/consistently for 150 Years.
Aside from the Arab-started war in 1948 (Genocide attempt Against the Jews which caused internal Arab displacement/'refugees'), the number of Palestinians even in Israel has grown consistently too.

You never did answer me directly with numbers etc, for the alleged genocide, nor answer the fact of other conflicts which were Genocides before and since.
You show Zero knowledge of this topic and history in general. And of course, you didn't even roughly know the definition of Genocide.
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It appears that most cities in Israel's territory were 50-50% jew-palestinian before 1947. Now they are 0% palestinian. These numbers do qualify for genocide, right?
These numbers qualify a stupid "nation" that starts a war it doesn't realize they cannot possibly win.

They opened a war in 1947. They lost.

Do losing nations win prizes in wars they initiate?
When did the Palestinians lose a war?

Link?
We have been through that already.

'Allah' has cursed the Jews, called them "Sons of apes and pigs" and by Islam, since Jews are cursed, they cannot have a state or honor.

They opened a war with one aim and one aim alone- to destroy the state of the Jews and kill the inhebitents.

I'm still alive. I still have a state.

Result: They lost.

A 3 year old gets that logic.
 

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