Is the Democratic Party waking up?

[TNHarley]

It was government funding and involvement that created much of the medical advances of the last 100 years.

You just made all of that up. Could you point where in his plans (they are online) where this is?

Top link
how bernie pays for medicare for all - Google Search

Fail.

What? It says it right there on the govts website.

Guess pk gave up on me when he learned to read lol

You posted a Google search, that wasn't what I asked for.

I cant link a PDF govt document dude. Thats Why I told you to click the first link

 

[SAYIT]

Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

And welcome to another Stormy Mac thread where he starts will a silly premise, and runs with it.

Uh, stupid, what spawned people like Bernie and Warren is that 40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth. Sixty percent of the population is living paycheck to paycheck and 80% of us are one medical emergency away from the poorhouse.

Now, the RICH might be able to bully the Democrats into supporting a loser, but the very fact that Biden IS crumbling should tell you, not so much. He was Wall Street's BOY! He's the one who made it easier for the Credit Card companies to abuse us, including supporting the awful Bankruptcy reform act (also known as Getting Blood out of a Turnip Act)

He's the fine example of the Republican Lite kind of Democrat who is getting rejected right now. I still think he'd be a stronger candidate than Bernie, but either one of them could beat Trump.

What do the Dems have? "IMPEACH!!!"

More than 6 in 10 Americans say they feel better off after first 3 years of Trump, poll finds​

WASHINGTON – A recent Gallup poll has some encouraging news for President Donald Trump as his battle for reelection heats up: more than six in 10 Americans say they are better off than they were three years ago when he took office, and about the same number credit him for the improvement.

No incumbent president in the past three decades has enjoyed such a high percentage of people feeling better about their situations. In 2012, when former President Barack Obama was in the White House, 45% of Americans told Gallup they were better off than they were three years ago. In 2004, 1996 and 1992 the number was 50%.

In the survey, 61% said they were better off, 36% said they were not and 3% said they were about the same.

And a strong majority of Americans (62%) said Trump should get credit for improving the economy.

 

[JoeB131]

What has he done while in office that is racist? What has he said? Please don't quote the Charlottesville thing, that just makes you look even more ignorant.

Let's see. Thrown brown children into concentration camps.
Called poor countries shitholes.
Called Neo-Nazis "Very fine people".
Put up a travel ban against Islamic countries.

And I'm sure you can rationalize every last one of them, I'm just not terribly interested in hearing any of it.

 

[JoeB131]

We see exactly WHY. People who aren't making it want someone who has to support them. They want a handout. They want to steal from people who are making money. It is very simple. When the electorate figures out they can vote themselves money, the country is finished. Ignorant folks like you are falling for the "free" lies.

Uh, guy, this is horseshit. Tell you what, why doesn't your party go out and say that you are going to abolish Middle Class entitlements. Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment insurance, veteran's benefits. You k now, that "Free Money" that white people enjoy.

Run on that. Please.

 

[JoeB131]

You don't believe people should be able to earn money in the market? I think you know where the money comes from...taxpayers. Those with money in the market and pensions certainly benefit. Those same people start businesses and hire people, who in turn invest in 401(k)s and IRAs and then have money in the market as well.

By percentage, wages are up for lower wage earners more than for higher wage earners. Just because some higher wage earners may be making money in the markets as well, doesn't negate the fact that lower income folks are doing better under Trump than under Obama. The MSM simply lies and fools the masses. It doesn't take much but a smooth talker to trick ignorant Democratic voters.

You miss his point. The reason why the Market is doing so well is because the Fed is pumping Billions of dollars into it.

The thing is, when it crashes, all the rich fat cats will get bailouts again, and all those working schlubs with 401K's will be left holding the bag- again.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I can understand you don't see anything unusual about Trump and his behaviors. I get it. To you, the cartoonish hyperbole, constant personal attacks and general instability are perfectly normal.
But for the majority, they are indeed unusual (even some Trumpsters have the balls to admit it), and the point is that the response from the hard Left would be similar.
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I think for most, Trumps TV personality is seen as a serious flaw for a President, but it is refreshing in a way that seems more 'real' than the blow-dried, empty suits the Political Establishment has been dishing out to us for decades.

When Trump makes the Atlantic Coast Press fly off into gales of outrage, I think most of us find it at least amusing if not hilarious.

But Trump gets things done as opposed to professional politicians that use government projects as a means of paying off their supporters. The Wollman Rink was the classic example of this.

I would rather have a clown for President that can achieve the goals he was elected for rather than the most 'Presidential' Establishment clone with all the 'gravitas' in the world.

"Just git 'er done" is what most voters want, not more of the 'Well, we will commission a blue ribbon panel to study this problem, declare 'war' on it, come out with a full glossy set of media packaging and put this through a major media campaign for 4 years....oh, and maybe, despite our best efforts, the problem might get fixed."

 

[Mac1958]

I can understand you don't see anything unusual about Trump and his behaviors. I get it. To you, the cartoonish hyperbole, constant personal attacks and general instability are perfectly normal.
But for the majority, they are indeed unusual (even some Trumpsters have the balls to admit it), and the point is that the response from the hard Left would be similar.
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I think for most, Trumps TV personality is seen as a serious flaw for a President, but it is refreshing in a way that seems more 'real' than the blow-dried, empty suits the Political Establishment has been dishing out to us for decades.

When Trump makes the Atlantic Coast Press fly off into gales of outrage, I think most of us find it at least amusing if not hilarious.

But Trump gets things done as opposed to professional politicians that use government projects as a means of paying off their supporters. The Wollman Rink was the classic example of this.

I would rather have a clown for President that can achieve the goals he was elected for rather than the most 'Presidential' Establishment clone with all the 'gravitas' in the world.

"Just git 'er done" is what most voters want, not more of the 'Well, we will commission a blue ribbon panel to study this problem, declare 'war' on it, come out with a full glossy set of media packaging and put this through a major media campaign for 4 years....oh, and maybe, despite our best efforts, the problem might get fixed."

"Git 'er done" is indeed what voters want. It's the "it", of course, that varies, and neither party has anything close to a monopoly on that. Even if it thinks it does.
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[Pete7469]

"Git 'er done" is indeed what voters want. It's the "it", of course, that varies, and neither party has anything close to a monopoly on that. Even if it think it does.
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Again...

It's not a "party" issue, or at least it should not be, it's a Right Vs. Wrong issue.

Certain turds (like you) pretend to be above the fray so that you can avoid taking a stand on what is right or wrong, but at some point the rest of the public has to decide if they want to empower nanny state sociopaths that you support, or actual progressives that endeavor to reduce federal authority, promote economic prosperity and individual liberty.

The DNC opposes the former, the GOP pretends to promote it.

The "Independents" just don't want their own prized pigs put on a diet.

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[Mac1958]

"Git 'er done" is indeed what voters want. It's the "it", of course, that varies, and neither party has anything close to a monopoly on that. Even if it think it does.
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Again...

It's not a "party" issue, or at least it should not be, it's a Right Vs. Wrong issue.

Certain turds (like you) pretend to be above the fray so that you can avoid taking a stand on what is right or wrong, but at some point the rest of the public has to decide if they want to empower nanny state sociopaths that you support, or actual progressives that endeavor to reduce federal authority, promote economic prosperity and individual liberty.

The DNC opposes the former, the GOP pretends to promote it.

The "Independents" just don't want their own prized pigs put on a diet.

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I know that wingers on both ends loathe those who can think for themselves.

One of the many, many behaviors you share.

Tough shit. Not my problem.
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[JoeB131]

I know that wingers on both ends loathe those who can think for themselves.

Except that you don't think for yourself. You just have a point of view. you fit all facts to that point of view, and you get very very upset when someone points out something that doesn't fit into that point of view.

Mac: Democrats have alienated white people, which is why they voted for Trump.

Me: Um, Trump got less of the vote than Romney did, and only slightly more than McCain, and his numbers with white people were less than what Romney got. Hillary lost because too many people voted third party in a couple of swing states.

Mac: See. See... All you nasty Wingers with your opinions that aren't mine!!!

 

[justoffal]

Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

Here's hoping.

From the linked piece:
“If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he’ll have to moderate. I’m not going socialist. Never been a socialist,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. “If he doesn’t change, I’ve got a dilemma there. We’ll see. But we’re talking about hypotheticals. I think there’s going to be a lot happening between now and then.”

The soul-searching within the establishment wing of the Democratic Party comes after Sanders solidified his frontrunner status in Iowa and New Hampshire, which produced a pair of cringeworthy finishes for Biden. The former vice president did so poorly in New Hampshire that he ditched his own election night watch party to head to South Carolina, possibly giving an opening to Bloomberg, who skipped the first four contests.

“I’m feeling a momentum shift to Bloomberg right now,” said Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), who endorsed Biden in the summer and plans to stick with him.

One of the most glaring examples of the change in tide on Capitol Hill is a trio of Bloomberg endorsements from the Congressional Black Caucus on Wednesday — a not-so-subtle show of force against Biden, who remains the favored candidate among black voters nationally.
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Wait, has the Congressional Black Caucus heard Bloomberg on tape discussing minorities?

Of course they have.... They see Bloomberg as their only hope to stay relevant so they going to back him regardless of what he says. He could reopen the entire train Little Black sambo restaurants and they would still back him.

Jo

 

[initforme]

It's something to watch the diversity and all the different ideals in american politics. We are still a melting pot of ideals. The nation is in good shape going into the future.

 

[Mac1958]

It's something to watch the diversity and all the different ideals in american politics. We are still a melting pot of ideals. The nation is in good shape going into the future.

I see no melting pot any more. Most of the ingredients have self-separated.

So I hope I'm wrong and I hope you're right.
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[JimBowie1958]

"Git 'er done" is indeed what voters want. It's the "it", of course, that varies, and neither party has anything close to a monopoly on that. Even if it think it does.
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I have read alot, for an amateur, about the Byzantine Empire, and though it had the expertise and knowledge to survive, it failed to do so due to the encrustation of special interest factions that hobbled the empire from fixing their problems. It took a revolution or new dynasty to disrupt that encrustation of bureaucratic shit and reform things and fix problems.

Right now there is only on candidate that understands this and who is trying to be our Basil 1.

Whether you like it or not that man is Donald J Trump, and no other.

 

[Mac1958]

"Git 'er done" is indeed what voters want. It's the "it", of course, that varies, and neither party has anything close to a monopoly on that. Even if it think it does.
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I have read alot, for an amateur, about the Byzantine Empire, and though it had the expertise and knowledge to survive, it failed to do so due to the encrustation of special interest factions that hobbled the empire from fixing their problems. It took a revolution or new dynasty to disrupt that encrustation of bureaucratic shit and reform things and fix problems.

Right now there is only on candidate that understands this and who is trying to be our Basil 1.

Whether you like it or not that man is Donald J Trump, and no other.

I know that you believe that. If he wins again, I hope you're right.
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[IM2]

Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

Here's hoping.

From the linked piece:
“If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he’ll have to moderate. I’m not going socialist. Never been a socialist,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. “If he doesn’t change, I’ve got a dilemma there. We’ll see. But we’re talking about hypotheticals. I think there’s going to be a lot happening between now and then.”

The soul-searching within the establishment wing of the Democratic Party comes after Sanders solidified his frontrunner status in Iowa and New Hampshire, which produced a pair of cringeworthy finishes for Biden. The former vice president did so poorly in New Hampshire that he ditched his own election night watch party to head to South Carolina, possibly giving an opening to Bloomberg, who skipped the first four contests.

“I’m feeling a momentum shift to Bloomberg right now,” said Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), who endorsed Biden in the summer and plans to stick with him.

One of the most glaring examples of the change in tide on Capitol Hill is a trio of Bloomberg endorsements from the Congressional Black Caucus on Wednesday — a not-so-subtle show of force against Biden, who remains the favored candidate among black voters nationally.
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Trump has violated laws. There has not been any over the top anything.

 

[DBA]

You don't believe people should be able to earn money in the market? I think you know where the money comes from...taxpayers. Those with money in the market and pensions certainly benefit. Those same people start businesses and hire people, who in turn invest in 401(k)s and IRAs and then have money in the market as well.

By percentage, wages are up for lower wage earners more than for higher wage earners. Just because some higher wage earners may be making money in the markets as well, doesn't negate the fact that lower income folks are doing better under Trump than under Obama. The MSM simply lies and fools the masses. It doesn't take much but a smooth talker to trick ignorant Democratic voters.

You miss his point. The reason why the Market is doing so well is because the Fed is pumping Billions of dollars into it.

The thing is, when it crashes, all the rich fat cats will get bailouts again, and all those working schlubs with 401K's will be left holding the bag- again.

Yeah, all the consumer index, the employment rate, companies balance sheets, etc... all of that is just a bunch of bunk. We can ignore those numbers because the MSM has been telling the sheep for years that the economy is going to crash. It will have a downturn at some point. That is inevitable. That downturn will be expedited if a lefty gets elected or if the coronavirus gets worse. Other than either of these two things, or some totally unexpected event out of left field, the economy and the markets will continue to get better under Trump. His policies benefit the economy, unlike the Democrat's policies.

You just aren't intelligent enough to break away from the mind-meld of the MSM. They LOVE people like you. If you had the ability to look comprehend the economic indicators and the wisdom to admit you could be wrong, you would quickly change your tune.

 

[DBA]

What has he done while in office that is racist? What has he said? Please don't quote the Charlottesville thing, that just makes you look even more ignorant.

Let's see. Thrown brown children into concentration camps.
Called poor countries shitholes.
Called Neo-Nazis "Very fine people".
Put up a travel ban against Islamic countries.

And I'm sure you can rationalize every last one of them, I'm just not terribly interested in hearing any of it.

LOL..Don't care if you are interested or not. You believe anything is racist. It is in your nature. You can't get away from it. You have been indoctrinated to think that way. You have a chip on your shoulder that you can't remove. I didn't vote for Obama so I must be a racist. This is just how intellectually dishonest you and most of the left are.

1) He put illegal immigrants into holding areas. It has absolutely nothing to do with color ad everything to do with the fact that they were ILLEGAL. The mass illegal immigration is/was coming from our Southern border where the majority are Hispanic. Imagine that.

2) Yeah, poor countries tend to be dirty and nasty and not very nice. What in the world does that have to do with race? Oh I know, because

3) No he didn't. He said there were fine people on both sides. He prefaced that comment with a paragraph denouncing Neo-Nazis and pointing out that everyone in the crowd wasn't a Neo-Nazi or a member of Antifa. In other words, there were fine people on both sides with those obvious exceptions. Again, MSM taking quotes out of context and you lapping it up like a good little puppy.

4) Yeah, countries that are known to have extremists Islamists. There were many other countries that were Islamic and did not fall under the travel band. What's up with that? Oh yeah, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE.

 

[SAYIT]

What has he done while in office that is racist? What has he said? Please don't quote the Charlottesville thing, that just makes you look even more ignorant.

Let's see. Thrown brown children into concentration camps.
Called poor countries shitholes.
Called Neo-Nazis "Very fine people".
Put up a travel ban against Islamic countries.

And I'm sure you can rationalize every last one of them, I'm just not terribly interested in hearing any of it.

Not that what you said is true but what you don't want to hear is anything that conflicts with your mindless hatred for a POTUS who has helped improve the lives of Americans which, in my experience, is why you so hate him.

Democrats are traitors … every one of 'em.

More than 6 in 10 Americans say they feel better off after first 3 years of Trump, poll finds

WASHINGTON – A recent Gallup poll has some encouraging news for President Donald Trump as his battle for reelection heats up: more than six in 10 Americans say they are better off than they were three years ago when he took office, and about the same number credit him for the improvement.

 

[Redfish]

Let's Review.

In order to beat Trump who promotes Patriotism, America First, Freedom, Upward Mobility, Deregulation...

The Democrats fielded The Following.

A Radical Socialist Effeminate Homosexual who wants to take your guns, who wants to implement The Green New Deal, who wants to Bankrupt America by increasing Government Debt by 500% and give money to Couch Potatoes.

A Radical Millionaire Communist who Got Rich off of Big Government who wants to expand the size of Government by 500% so he can build Gulags, and Guillotines, and confiscate the wealth of this country, take all of your weapons and throw everyone in work camps.

A Radical Dirty Billionaire who was recruited to help The Broke Ass Dems to circumvent Campaign Finance. Who Hates Black People, Who Wants To Increase Government Spending by 500% so that we can embrace The Green New Scam, and continue killing Babies.

A washed up Senile Stuttering Deep State VP who enriched him and his family through graft, bribery and extortion, who does not know what state he is in.

NO they aren't waking up to anything.

They are going even further to the Left and are MORE BLIND THAN EVER.

The point is that (a) there are Democrats who are warning that the party has gone too far, and (b) there are many in party who are apparently warming to Bloomberg as a way to avoid Bernie.

Neither party is a complete monolith, even though both may seem like it at times.
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I'm not a dem but I am a never Trumper, and I'd probably vote for a Knight Templar roasting a baby if that was the option to Trump (-:

But I thought Biden was a fake candidate the minute I heard of what Hunter was up to, and that was before Trump went amuck in Ukraine. Biden ran as the "anti-Trump whose heart was pure."

I thought months ago that only Bloomberg posed any threat to Trump. The general election is really in: NV AZ FL NC MN WI MI PA NH MAine. Bernies lack of any cred with blacks isn't going to hurt him in the South if he's the nominee. But I just don't see how Bernie gets those dem suburban voters who stayed home for Hillary. Not with his Medicare for All plan.

But Bloomberg is gonna have to explain to blacks in Mil, Michigan and PA why he ordered his cops to stop and frisk blacks a million times even when everyone knew the % of times they actually found firearms was less than 1%.

As Bloomberg explains in his now infamous audio clip, the purpose was not to catch people with guns but to discourage people from carrying guns. The theory is that if fewer people are carrying guns there will be fewer shootings. The issue is not whether it worked on not, but that in trying to prove it is not just racial profiling, Bloomberg, in a spectacular show of arrogance and insensitivity, makes it sound like it is racial profiling. If you have looked at his various apologies for these remarks now, he says, in effect, that while he believes in individual rights in principle, they are just too inconvenient in practice.

I don't like Bloomberg, but he simply told the truth about who is committing most of the crime in our big cities. sorry if that truth offends you.

It doesn't offend me, but I thought the way he expressed it was particularly arrogant and insensitive. Imagine you are a young black male living in a black neighborhood and you are being viewed with suspicion by police and stopped and frisked only because you are black, how can you vote for someone who is completely indifferent to how all this makes you feel? How can Democrats in general vote for him while at the same time claiming to be the champions of black people?

Even if everything he said is true, there are two truths here; the other truth is that it provides a daily degrading and humiliating experience for young black men who are innocent. So Bloomberg, at best, told only half the truth.

the answer is not to attack those who state the truth, the answer is for the black communities in our big cities to take responsibility for their kids and clean up their neighborhoods.

It would also help if the social "safety net" would encourage families instead of encouraging women to have multiple kids with no father in the home..

If young black men feel degraded when someone states the truth or holds them responsible for the actions of a majority of their peers, then its up to them to fix the problem. Ben Carson did it, Micheal Jordan did it, Juan Williams did it. to say the system just makes it too hard is bullshit.