Is the coronavirus causing nothing more than the common cold?

[Sandy Shanks]

Is the coronavirus pandemic nothing more than the common cold caused by a new and contagious virus called Covid-19? Of course, most will think the question is moronic, but lets look at the facts and simple math.

Italy, China, and Spain do not factor in on this analysis because we know nothing about what happened there, what their health systems are like, or their care for the elderly. For those responding, every other nation on Earth is open game. However, I will concentrate on the United States for one very simple reason. It is where I and most folks here live.

A major concern for Americans is whether the cure is worst than the disease. The politicians from the Trump White House to the various governors of the various states have effectively shut down what used to be the most successful economy the world has ever seen. Millions have or will lose their jobs, and the politicians in Washington want to add two trillion dollars to our enormous National Debt thinking the federal government can substitute welfare for our once great economy. It can't.

Millions of Americans have lost billions of dollars in retirement savings and investments. It is a permanent loss.

The possibility exists that the loss of jobs, savings and investments (homes?) will cause the murder and suicide rate to go up, exceeding the death toll of the virus. The politicians and Trump's medical team are not helping with their dire warnings that are designed to scare the daylights out of us. Dire warnings two weeks ago that the sky will fall in two weeks didn't happen. So, we are getting a new batch of dire warnings from the politicians and medical experts now. It seems that all the bad things that will befall us will happen sometime in the future. At any rate, that is what Governor Cuomo is telling us.

All that is perfectly logical. The politicians have to justify the shutting down of our economy!

In prior years the highly contagious rhinovirus was the main cause of the common cold. In the winter months millions of Americans fell victim to the common cold. Hardest hit were the elderly with preexisting conditions such as lung or heart disease, pneumonia, and various other assorted afflictions. Over the course of the winter thousands of the oldest generation died because of complications of the common cold.

It has been suggested that Cofid-19 is simply a new contagious virus for the common cold. Some are impressed with numbers, like 41,342. That is the number of cases of the coronavirus in the U.S. That .01% of 327 million, the population of the U.S.

Another number that impresses people is 498. As of today that is the number of people who have died in the U.S. That is .0002% of the population. A person has a better chance of winning the lottery than dying of Covid-19. For a three month total in a population of 327 million, that number is low compared to other years of the common cold.

For those who contract the disease "80% get what feels like a bad cold and recover at home." COVID-19: What we know so far about the 2019 novel coronavirus - UChicago Medicine

Many did not even know they had the virus.

For this the politicians have destroyed our economy and the savings accounts of Americans? That makes no sense. But when did politicians ever make sense?

The Trump government never gives us a breakdown on the ages of those who have died. Probably because it would damage the message of doom they prefer. After all, Trump is a war President.

However, there is this from Business Insider, "80% of deaths associated with COVID-19 were among adults aged ≥65 years with the highest percentage of severe outcomes among persons aged ≥85 years." 80% of US coronavirus deaths have been among people 65 and older, a new CDC report says — here's what it reveals about the US cases

If you are reading this and you are younger than 85, you have an outside chance of surviving this pandemic.

 

[Oddball]

Italy, China, and Spain do not factor in on this analysis because we know nothing about what happened there...

We know what happened in Italy....They were doing the idiotic PC "woke" shit and playing a game called "hug-a-Chink" (or something along those lines)....After which, the disease ravaged their country.

Political correctness has literally killed people.

 

[BluesLegend]

The virus kills a LOT of people 65 and older, and those with other chronic health issues. Italy has the oldest population on the planet. Over 23% are over the age of 65 that's why their death rate is so high. Plus they are a highly communal culture, multi-generational families living in homes, large social gatherings.

So our choice is treat this as a common cold and go on with our lives while we infect the elderly and sick and let them die, or try to avoid that.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

The virus kills a LOT of people 65 and older, and those with other chronic health issues. Italy has the oldest population on the planet. Over 23% are over the age of 65 that's why their death rate is so high. Plus they are a highly communal culture, multi-generational families living in homes, large social gatherings.

So our choice is treat this as a common cold and go on with our lives while we infect the elderly and sick and let them die, or try to avoid that.

You should review the article. Older people with serious serious health issues have been dying from the complications of the common cold since the dawn of man. Only a politician is dumb enough to think this can be prevented.

It isn't Covid-19 that is killing them (see article). It is lung cancer, heart disease, pneumonia, etc.

 

[lennypartiv]

Dems are killing us by shutting down businesses no reason.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Italy, China, and Spain do not factor in on this analysis because we know nothing about what happened there...

We know what happened in Italy....They were doing the idiotic PC "woke" shit and playing a game called "hug-a-Chink" (or something along those lines)....After which, the disease ravaged their country.

Political correctness has literally killed people.

Hug a chink.....ROTFLMAO

 

[Sandy Shanks]

The possibility exists that the loss of jobs, savings and investments (homes?) will cause the murder and suicide rate to go up, exceeding the death toll of the virus. The politicians and Trump's medical team are not helping with their dire warnings that are designed to scare the daylights out of us.

In the past ten years there have been several incidences of a man being laid off from his job, then returning to his factory or store with a gun and shooting up the place, killing co-workers and customers alike. Or a student or former student takes out his frustration on a school. Is that more likely to happen because of the conditions created by our politicians? It is reasonable to expect that to be true.

Could the cure be worse than the disease in a very real sense. Think about it. Dad and mom have lost their jobs. Bills will go unpaid, most likely for months. The children are underfoot because of school closures. The average family has permanently lost thousands of dollars in their retirement savings and investments. It will take years to get back where they were a few weeks ago, if they get it back. They can't go anywhere. They are ordered by politicians to stay home and all sports are shut down. No NBA or NHL championships. No March madness. No Masters, and all golf leagues are cancelled. The start of the baseball season has been postponed.

Will this cause an increase in stress? Of course, and in a major sense. It is reasonable to assume the murder rate and the suicide rate will go up as people go nuts and frustrated, unable to correct the many concerns they have or find relief in leisure activities.

The death toll from covid-19 is quite small in the U.S., and the suicide and murder rates are already high in our country. It is reasonable to assume that there will be a sharp increase in those numbers caused by the solutions the politicians have come up with regarding the coronavirus.

This may already have begun, but the media and the Trump White House are too busy telling us all the horrible things that may happen to us. Entire news hours are consumed with stories concerning the coronavirus.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Dems are killing us by shutting down businesses no reason.

It is not the Dems. It is the politicians, mainly governors who shut down their states' economies.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

I watched Trump's press conference today and a few things concerned me.

About two weeks ago Trump appointed Pence to be in charge of the Covid-19 White House medical team. What a joke that has become. Trump cannot share the limelight with anyone. So, for the past two weeks it is Trump who conducts the press conferences, and Pence stands behind him. The worst part about all this is Trump is doing most of the talking on the pandemic, not the medical experts, and he is making a complete fool of himself. He has no idea what he is talking about.

Trump has this nasty habit of interrupting reporters from CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, and others. Using the over-talking method, he won't let them finish their questions. This is a sign of weakness and vulnerability. He doesn't want the television audience to hear their questions. However, he rarely interrupts John Roberts, the White House reporter from Fox News. Roberts asks the softball questions Trump most likely provided.

When we do get to hear from Trump's medical experts, they talk a great deal about testing and the increasing number of cases. They never talk about the death rate, the only true measure of the severity of a viral pandemic. Those numbers are too low, and discussing the death the death toll would seriously damage the message they are trying to deliver. Nor will they provide the ages of those who died. That, too, would harm the message.

As opposed to only a week ago, hundreds of thousands of tests have now been conducted, accounting for the dramatic rise in the number of cases, not necessarily increases in the number of new cases on a daily basis.

As of now in a population of 327 million there are 50,206 cases of the common cold caused by Covid-19 in the past three months of winter. That number is actually quite low.

606 Americans have died in the past three months from Covid-19 induced common cold. "80% of deaths associated with COVID-19 are among adults aged 65 years and older with the highest percentage of severe outcomes among persons aged 85 years and older. Also, the evidence shows those people were already sick with serious maladies before there ever was Covid-19. Again, in three months, 327 million people, that number is small.

Is it any wonder Trump's medical team doesn't want to talk about the death rate?

 

[Contumacious]

Is the coronavirus pandemic nothing more than the common cold caused by a new and contagious virus called Covid-19? Of course, most will think the question is moronic, but lets look at the facts and simple math.

Italy, China, and Spain do not factor in on this analysis because we know nothing about what happened there, what their health systems are like, or their care for the elderly. For those responding, every other nation on Earth is open game. However, I will concentrate on the United States for one very simple reason. It is where I and most folks here live.

A major concern for Americans is whether the cure is worst than the disease. The politicians from the Trump White House to the various governors of the various states have effectively shut down what used to be the most successful economy the world has ever seen. Millions have or will lose their jobs, and the politicians in Washington want to add two trillion dollars to our enormous National Debt thinking the federal government can substitute welfare for our once great economy. It can't.

Millions of Americans have lost billions of dollars in retirement savings and investments. It is a permanent loss.

The possibility exists that the loss of jobs, savings and investments (homes?) will cause the murder and suicide rate to go up, exceeding the death toll of the virus. The politicians and Trump's medical team are not helping with their dire warnings that are designed to scare the daylights out of us. Dire warnings two weeks ago that the sky will fall in two weeks didn't happen. So, we are getting a new batch of dire warnings from the politicians and medical experts now. It seems that all the bad things that will befall us will happen sometime in the future. At any rate, that is what Governor Cuomo is telling us.

All that is perfectly logical. The politicians have to justify the shutting down of our economy!

In prior years the highly contagious rhinovirus was the main cause of the common cold. In the winter months millions of Americans fell victim to the common cold. Hardest hit were the elderly with preexisting conditions such as lung or heart disease, pneumonia, and various other assorted afflictions. Over the course of the winter thousands of the oldest generation died because of complications of the common cold.

It has been suggested that Cofid-19 is simply a new contagious virus for the common cold. Some are impressed with numbers, like 41,342. That is the number of cases of the coronavirus in the U.S. That .01% of 327 million, the population of the U.S.

Another number that impresses people is 498. As of today that is the number of people who have died in the U.S. That is .0002% of the population. A person has a better chance of winning the lottery than dying of Covid-19. For a three month total in a population of 327 million, that number is low compared to other years of the common cold.

For those who contract the disease "80% get what feels like a bad cold and recover at home." COVID-19: What we know so far about the 2019 novel coronavirus - UChicago Medicine

Many did not even know they had the virus.

For this the politicians have destroyed our economy and the savings accounts of Americans? That makes no sense. But when did politicians ever make sense?

The Trump government never gives us a breakdown on the ages of those who have died. Probably because it would damage the message of doom they prefer. After all, Trump is a war President.

However, there is this from Business Insider, "80% of deaths associated with COVID-19 were among adults aged ≥65 years with the highest percentage of severe outcomes among persons aged ≥85 years." 80% of US coronavirus deaths have been among people 65 and older, a new CDC report says — here's what it reveals about the US cases

If you are reading this and you are younger than 85, you have an outside chance of surviving this pandemic.

What we know

Both China and Italy were having serious Tuberculosis problems before December 2019

Coronavirus family can cause the

1- common cold (since the 1970's)
2- Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome Corona Virus (MERS CoV):
3- SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV)
4- coravid-19? There is strong circumstantial evidence that covid-19 is cause by TWO pathogens - a coronavirus and TB?, and/or some other BACTERIA which causes pneumonia?

There is no need to shut down commerce or interfere with our right to earn a living - those individuals - and THOSE INDIVIDUALS ONLY - who are immunocompromised , have active or latent TB , are in nursing homes should take the necessary isolation precautions.

Because CORAVID 19 has a coronavirus component , testing will produce a lot of false positives which will be used by the Lamestream Media, Deep State and Demo Rats as a pretext to hype and cause panic.


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[Sandy Shanks]

When we do get to hear from Trump's medical experts, they talk a great deal about testing and the increasing number of cases. They never talk about the death rate, the only true measure of the severity of a viral pandemic. Those numbers are too low, and discussing the death the death toll would seriously damage the message they are trying to deliver. Nor will they provide the ages of those who died. That, too, would harm the message.

Apparently, the state of New York is the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic with 25,665 cases of the Covid-19 caused common cold during three months of winter. Is anyone surprised at that number? I'm not. New York state has a population of 18.54 million people. If anything. the number is small.

Out of a population of 18.54 million 210 have died in three months, nearly all were elderly in nursing homes or hospitals with underlying serious conditions.

And this is the epicenter of a viral pandemic!

For this Cuomo shut down the economic activity in his state! This is crazy.

I am at loss to explain what is going on. It's like politicians have gone nuts. It's like politicians from the various states are trying to outdo one another in terms of destroying the America we once knew.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Is the coronavirus pandemic nothing more than the common cold caused by a new and contagious virus called Covid-19? Of course, most will think the question is moronic, but lets look at the facts and simple math.

Italy, China, and Spain do not factor in on this analysis because we know nothing about what happened there, what their health systems are like, or their care for the elderly. For those responding, every other nation on Earth is open game. However, I will concentrate on the United States for one very simple reason. It is where I and most folks here live.

A major concern for Americans is whether the cure is worst than the disease. The politicians from the Trump White House to the various governors of the various states have effectively shut down what used to be the most successful economy the world has ever seen. Millions have or will lose their jobs, and the politicians in Washington want to add two trillion dollars to our enormous National Debt thinking the federal government can substitute welfare for our once great economy. It can't.

Millions of Americans have lost billions of dollars in retirement savings and investments. It is a permanent loss.

The possibility exists that the loss of jobs, savings and investments (homes?) will cause the murder and suicide rate to go up, exceeding the death toll of the virus. The politicians and Trump's medical team are not helping with their dire warnings that are designed to scare the daylights out of us. Dire warnings two weeks ago that the sky will fall in two weeks didn't happen. So, we are getting a new batch of dire warnings from the politicians and medical experts now. It seems that all the bad things that will befall us will happen sometime in the future. At any rate, that is what Governor Cuomo is telling us.

All that is perfectly logical. The politicians have to justify the shutting down of our economy!

In prior years the highly contagious rhinovirus was the main cause of the common cold. In the winter months millions of Americans fell victim to the common cold. Hardest hit were the elderly with preexisting conditions such as lung or heart disease, pneumonia, and various other assorted afflictions. Over the course of the winter thousands of the oldest generation died because of complications of the common cold.

It has been suggested that Cofid-19 is simply a new contagious virus for the common cold. Some are impressed with numbers, like 41,342. That is the number of cases of the coronavirus in the U.S. That .01% of 327 million, the population of the U.S.

Another number that impresses people is 498. As of today that is the number of people who have died in the U.S. That is .0002% of the population. A person has a better chance of winning the lottery than dying of Covid-19. For a three month total in a population of 327 million, that number is low compared to other years of the common cold.

For those who contract the disease "80% get what feels like a bad cold and recover at home." COVID-19: What we know so far about the 2019 novel coronavirus - UChicago Medicine

Many did not even know they had the virus.

For this the politicians have destroyed our economy and the savings accounts of Americans? That makes no sense. But when did politicians ever make sense?

The Trump government never gives us a breakdown on the ages of those who have died. Probably because it would damage the message of doom they prefer. After all, Trump is a war President.

However, there is this from Business Insider, "80% of deaths associated with COVID-19 were among adults aged ≥65 years with the highest percentage of severe outcomes among persons aged ≥85 years." 80% of US coronavirus deaths have been among people 65 and older, a new CDC report says — here's what it reveals about the US cases

If you are reading this and you are younger than 85, you have an outside chance of surviving this pandemic.

What we know

Both China and Italy were having serious Tuberculosis problems before December 2019

Coronavirus family can cause the

1- common cold (since the 1970's)
2- Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome Corona Virus (MERS CoV):
3- SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV)
4- coravid-19? There is strong circumstantial evidence that covid-19 is cause by TWO pathogens - a coronavirus and TB?, and/or some other BACTERIA which causes pneumonia?

There is no need to shut down commerce or interfere with our right to earn a living - those individuals - and THOSE INDIVIDUALS ONLY - who are immunocompromised , have active or latent TB , are in nursing homes should take the necessary isolation precautions.

Because CORAVID 19 has a coronavirus component , testing will produce a lot of false positives which will be used by the Lamestream Media, Deep State and Demo Rats as a pretext to hype and cause panic.

Thank you. Very useful information.

Like I have said, I have tossed China and Italy from my analysis because we have no idea of the conditions there and I don't base my assertions on worst case scenarios. Those who use Italy or China in their arguments are only fooling themselves.

 

[Asclepias]

The virus kills a LOT of people 65 and older, and those with other chronic health issues. Italy has the oldest population on the planet. Over 23% are over the age of 65 that's why their death rate is so high. Plus they are a highly communal culture, multi-generational families living in homes, large social gatherings.

So our choice is treat this as a common cold and go on with our lives while we infect the elderly and sick and let them die, or try to avoid that.

You should review the article. Older people with serious serious health issues have been dying from the complications of the common cold since the dawn of man. Only a politician is dumb enough to think this can be prevented.

It isn't Covid-19 that is killing them (see article). It is lung cancer, heart disease, pneumonia, etc.

Have you had the virus or know anyone personally that had it? If not you wouldnt even be asking this question. I have family in the medical field and they all say they have never seen anything like it.

 

[OKTexas]

Italy, China, and Spain do not factor in on this analysis because we know nothing about what happened there...

We know what happened in Italy....They were doing the idiotic PC "woke" shit and playing a game called "hug-a-Chink" (or something along those lines)....After which, the disease ravaged their country.

Political correctness has literally killed people.

Northern Italy has a big Chinese population and that was the epicenter of their outbreak. Go figure.

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[Sandy Shanks]

It is getting harder and harder to find out information on the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S.

This is the question I have been asking Google for over two weeks. "How many people have died in the united states as a result of the coronavirus?"

In the past I got exactly what I wanted. During the past few days that has not been true. This link shows the question I asked moments ago and the results.

how many people have died in the united states as a result of the coronavirus - Google Search

Please note that the first page of results fails to answer my question and most of the responses are two to seven days old.

Is the government hiding information from the public? We know they won't give an age breakdown or health conditions of those who have died. The White House Covid-19 team avoids mentioning the death toll because it is so low.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Have you had the virus or know anyone personally that had it? If not you wouldnt even be asking this question. I have family in the medical field and they all say they have never seen anything like it.

Yes, you, the media, and the government are giving us all the bad news. Here is the truth of the matter.

When we do get to hear from Trump's medical experts, they talk a great deal about testing and the increasing number of cases. They never talk about the death rate, the only true measure of the severity of a viral pandemic. Those numbers are too low, and discussing the death the death toll would seriously damage the message they are trying to deliver. Nor will they provide the ages of those who died. That, too, would harm the message.

As opposed to only a week ago, hundreds of thousands of tests have now been conducted, accounting for the dramatic rise in the number of cases, not necessarily increases in the number of new cases on a daily basis.

As of now in a population of 327 million there are 60,653 cases of the common cold caused by Covid-19 in the past three months of winter. That number is actually quite low.

819 Americans have died in the past three months from Covid-19 induced common cold. "80% of deaths associated with COVID-19 are among adults aged 65 years and older with the highest percentage of severe outcomes among persons aged 85 years and older. Also, the evidence shows those people were already sick with serious maladies before there ever was Covid-19. Again, in three months of winter, 327 million people, that number is small.

 

[OnePercenter]

The virus kills a LOT of people 65 and older, and those with other chronic health issues. Italy has the oldest population on the planet. Over 23% are over the age of 65 that's why their death rate is so high. Plus they are a highly communal culture, multi-generational families living in homes, large social gatherings.

So our choice is treat this as a common cold and go on with our lives while we infect the elderly and sick and let them die, or try to avoid that.

We had our first under 18 death this week. I pray and hope it will be the last, but.......

 

[Crixus]

The virus kills a LOT of people 65 and older, and those with other chronic health issues. Italy has the oldest population on the planet. Over 23% are over the age of 65 that's why their death rate is so high. Plus they are a highly communal culture, multi-generational families living in homes, large social gatherings.

So our choice is treat this as a common cold and go on with our lives while we infect the elderly and sick and let them die, or try to avoid that.

Smokers to and folks who are younger with bad life styles or health issues. I got COPD and my Dr. Says because of that I need to be real careful. Not stop living, just practace common sense.

 

[Newtonian]

The virus kills a LOT of people 65 and older, and those with other chronic health issues. Italy has the oldest population on the planet. Over 23% are over the age of 65 that's why their death rate is so high. Plus they are a highly communal culture, multi-generational families living in homes, large social gatherings.

So our choice is treat this as a common cold and go on with our lives while we infect the elderly and sick and let them die, or try to avoid that.

You should review the article. Older people with serious serious health issues have been dying from the complications of the common cold since the dawn of man. Only a politician is dumb enough to think this can be prevented.

It isn't Covid-19 that is killing them (see article). It is lung cancer, heart disease, pneumonia, etc.

Have you had the virus or know anyone personally that had it? If not you wouldnt even be asking this question. I have family in the medical field and they all say they have never seen anything like it.

Indeed. This strain of Corona virus is as contagious as the Spanish Influenza of 1918 when 20 million people died in just 4 months worldwide (only the small island of St. Helena was spared). But Corona Virus is not a variety of influenza virus. It is quite different.

And most importantly to us humans - no one has immunity before being exposed. We have to develop immunity in our immune system fast enough before the virus spirals out of control in our bodies like it is spiraling out of control on planet earth. For us elderly with pre-existing conditions this virus could be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back - i.e. death - the last straw.

We cannot stop Covid 19 at this time, but there are ways to slow it down and minimizing the threat will only make matters worse.

Did you all know that some scientists think this virus was caused by the destruction of the environment - as are other diseases? In this case via bats btw.

 

[OnePercenter]

Watching people that have had this, I've taken it much more serious, this ISN'T the "common cold."