is ted cruz eligible to run ??

[Faun]

You just can't stop lying, can you? Pathetic.


umm.. no, she said, "us," not, "me."


"There was never any information given to us by Obama..."

Exactly. Who is "us?" She didn't say. And you didn't ask, you don't want the question answered. She said she failed to do her job and fact check it, "us" is probably her department. If you wanted to know, you'd ask, you don't want to know...

What to you mean, "exactly?" You just demonstrated you can't discern "us" from "me." Regardless ... it doesn't matter that she didn't say who since she was very clear on who didn't.

Who is "us?"

Her and others at Acton & Dystel.

Non answer. Still so he didn't tell her? He told someone not in the room with her and they wrote it down. Again why a critical mind doesn't accept a half answer. Actually it was less than half an answer

Lying again? That is the answer. You don't have to like the answer.

 

[Seawytch]

"Us" is inclusive- it means Meriam and other people

No shit Dick Tracy. What “other” people? The fact checking department she claims to have been an incompetent member of? Random people who were in a room with Obama? The entire division? The entire company? The royal we?


Again, she didn’t say. She said almost nothing and explained almost nothing. Yeah, I want the full story before I give her any credibility. So would you if you had a critical mind.

Anyone with a critical mind wouldn't be obsessed with this pamphlet.

Oh, but Kaz says the birthers are a teeny tiny minority (51% in the last GOP primary)

 

[Syriusly]

She was quite clear about President Obama not being the source

No, she wasn't. She didn't say he wasn't the source, she word parsed, you know, like you are doing

Clear enough for any rational person.

There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii.

I am not certain what different wording would be more clear that Obama did not tell her or her associates that he was born in Kenya.

 

[kaz]

"Us" is inclusive- it means Meriam and other people

No shit Dick Tracy. What “other” people? The fact checking department she claims to have been an incompetent member of? Random people who were in a room with Obama? The entire division? The entire company? The royal we?


Again, she didn’t say. She said almost nothing and explained almost nothing. Yeah, I want the full story before I give her any credibility. So would you if you had a critical mind.

Anyone with a critical mind wouldn't be obsessed with this pamphlet.

Oh, but Kaz says the birthers are a teeny tiny minority (51% in the last GOP primary)

PMSING again already?

 

[Syriusly]

You just can't stop lying, can you? Pathetic.


umm.. no, she said, "us," not, "me."


"There was never any information given to us by Obama..."

Exactly. Who is "us?" She didn't say. And you didn't ask, you don't want the question answered. She said she failed to do her job and fact check it, "us" is probably her department. If you wanted to know, you'd ask, you don't want to know...

What to you mean, "exactly?" You just demonstrated you can't discern "us" from "me." Regardless ... it doesn't matter that she didn't say who since she was very clear on who didn't.

Who is "us?"

Her and others at Acton & Dystel.

Non answer. Still so he didn't tell her? He told someone not in the room with her and they wrote it down. Again why a critical mind doesn't accept a half answer. Actually it was less than half an answer

There is no evidence that Barack Obama ever told anyone that he was born in Kenya.

You just assume that someone must have actually told someone that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. You presume that there is no other possible explanation.

And when we do actually speculate and provide alternative scenario's, you wig out and accuse us of 'speculation'

Here is what we know:
There is no evidence that Barack Obama ever told anyone he was born in Kenya
Meriam said that Barack Obama didn't tell her that he was born in Kenya.

Everything else is nothing more than speculation.

Except when you claim that Obama did say he was born in Kenya- that is just a lie.

 

[kaz]

She was quite clear about President Obama not being the source

No, she wasn't. She didn't say he wasn't the source, she word parsed, you know, like you are doing

Clear enough for any rational person.

There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii.

I am not certain what different wording would be more clear that Obama did not tell her or her associates that he was born in Kenya.

She is clear he did not tell her and presumably some unidentified people.

So here is one scenario where her statement would be true.
- An intern sat down with Obama and wrote the bio.
- The intern gave it to the fact checking department to fact check
- She didn’t do that (according to her)
- Then she said Obama didn’t tell us (us being me or my fact checking cohorts who probably unlike me do their jobs and fact checkers)
- That’s why it’s not enough for a critical mind, there are obvious huge gaps as there are in any half story

Tell me how we know from her statement that is not what happened?

 

[kaz]

There is no evidence that Barack Obama ever told anyone that he was born in Kenya.

You just assume that someone must have actually told someone that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. You presume that there is no other possible explanation

Strawman, I did not say there was no other possible explanation, I said that is the most likely explanation.


Obviously where he was born starts with him. No one is going to make up where he was born, they are going to ask him. You are making the flagrant assumption he gave the right answer and someone changed where he was born along the way to it ending up in his bio.


And you have zero evidence for that, including Miriam’s statement which only says he didn’t tell her and some unnamed people or he didn’t tell her using the royal we

 

[Syriusly]

She was quite clear about President Obama not being the source

No, she wasn't. She didn't say he wasn't the source, she word parsed, you know, like you are doing

Clear enough for any rational person.

There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii.

I am not certain what different wording would be more clear that Obama did not tell her or her associates that he was born in Kenya.

She is clear he did not tell her and presumably some unidentified people.

So here is one scenario where her statement would be true.
- An intern sat down with Obama and wrote the bio.
- The intern gave it to the fact checking department to fact check
- She didn’t do that (according to her)
- Then she said Obama didn’t tell us (us being me or my fact checking cohorts who probably unlike me do their jobs and fact checkers)
- That’s why it’s not enough for a critical mind, there are obvious huge gaps as there are in any half story

Tell me how we know from her statement that is not what happened?

Tell me how you get from there to "Obama was the first Birther"?

Again- you keep wanting the rest of us to speculate like you are doing.

You can speculate and create any scenario you want to reach the conclusion you are determined to reach.

But once again this would be enough for any rational person

There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii.

 

[kaz]

Tell me how you get from there to "Obama was the first Birther"?

OK, you got me in an assumption on that one. Who would have done it before Obama 1990? I’m open to the idea he wasn’t the first, but I need more than that.


Also, I call him the “original” because had he not claimed to have been born in Kenya, the whole birther thing would never have started. He's patient zero

 

[Syriusly]

There is no evidence that Barack Obama ever told anyone that he was born in Kenya.

You just assume that someone must have actually told someone that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. You presume that there is no other possible explanation

Obviously where he was born starts with him. No one is going to make up where he was born, they are going to ask him. You are making the flagrant assumption he gave the right answer and someone changed where he was born along the way to it ending up in his bio.

'Obviously'? There were lots of news articles regarding Barack Obama life- many of which included his place of birth. We don't know where the information came from- there is no 'obviously' that isn't speculation in and of itself.

You are making the flagrant assumption that Obama gave a false answer.

I am assuming nothing- I am going by what we know- not speculation.

We know this pamphlet is an anomaly when it comes to Barack Obama's place of birth- that the year before there were numerous magazine and newspaper articles that listed his place of birth as Hawaii, and after this obscure pamphlet there were books, newspaper articles and magazine articles that listed his place of birth as Hawaii.

We have the statement from Meriem that this was her error.
We have the statement from Meriem that Obama never said to her that he was born in Kenya.

Everything else is speculation.

 

[Syriusly]

Tell me how you get from there to "Obama was the first Birther"?

OK, you got me in an assumption on that one. Who would have done it before Obama 1990? I’m open to the idea he wasn’t the first, but I need more than that.


Also, I call him the “original” because had he not claimed to have been born in Kenya, the whole birther thing would never have started. He's patient zero

Sigh. You just keep doubling down on the lies.

You lie when you claim that Obama said he was born in Kenya in 1990.

And you lie by claiming that your claim that Obama said he was born in Kenya was the source of Birtherism.

No one knew about this pamphlet until Breitbart uncovered the article in 2011.

There is no way there is a causal connection between the claim in this pamphlet and Birtherism unless you are also going to speculate that a time machine might have been involved.

But hey- it wouldn't be any more speculative than the rest of your speculations.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

kaz Skylar From 2006 before the Miriam Goderich Harvard 1991'born in Kenya' pamphlet was changed in 2007 to born in Hawaii

Obama In Kenya: "I'm So Proud To Come Back Home"
Obama In Kenya I Am So Proud To Come Back Home - YouTube

Oh, you're missing the greater conspiracy:

So was that O'Gipper?

How many multiple sources stated Reagan was born in Ballyporeen, Ireland prior to running for president compared to sources saying Obama was born in Kenya? Your desperation is pathetic Obama water boy.

By 'multiple sources' you mean the pamphlet....and the pamphlet?

No. Cite sourcis that state Reagan was born in Ireland before he campaigned for president. Lets see how that matches up to the sources that stated Obama was born in Kenya prior to running for president.

 

[kaz]

You are making the flagrant assumption that Obama gave a false answer

I am asking why anyone would possibly make up where he was born, I am asking why Miriam gave a very vague clarifying statement and I am asking why exactly she didn't do her job.

Questions you were be pounding if we were discussing a Republican. So would I. But I'm not a hypocrite like you

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

There is no evidence that Barack Obama ever told anyone that he was born in Kenya.

You just assume that someone must have actually told someone that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. You presume that there is no other possible explanation

Obviously where he was born starts with him. No one is going to make up where he was born, they are going to ask him. You are making the flagrant assumption he gave the right answer and someone changed where he was born along the way to it ending up in his bio.

- that the year before there were numerous magazine and newspaper articles that listed his place of birth as Hawaii

Exactly how many that you know of? Be precise!

 

[Seawytch]

"Us" is inclusive- it means Meriam and other people

No shit Dick Tracy. What “other” people? The fact checking department she claims to have been an incompetent member of? Random people who were in a room with Obama? The entire division? The entire company? The royal we?


Again, she didn’t say. She said almost nothing and explained almost nothing. Yeah, I want the full story before I give her any credibility. So would you if you had a critical mind.

Anyone with a critical mind wouldn't be obsessed with this pamphlet.

Oh, but Kaz says the birthers are a teeny tiny minority (51% in the last GOP primary)

PMSING again already?

No, are you?

 

[Seawytch]

You are making the flagrant assumption that Obama gave a false answer

I am asking why anyone would possibly make up where he was born, I am asking why Miriam gave a very vague clarifying statement and I am asking why exactly she didn't do her job.

Questions you were be pounding if we were discussing a Republican. So would I. But I'm not a hypocrite like you

Yes, what could be the reason? The absence of one leaves us the logical conclusion that he didn't. Especially when the publisher said it was a fact checking error.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Why should we speculate and conjecture like you do?

No, speculate is what you do, I want her to answer the questions, who is us? Who did say Obama was born in Kenya? Why exactly didn’t she do her job and fact check 12 factual points in a ONE PARAGRAPH bio?


You want to speculate because like me, you know she lied and you don’t want to risk her answering the question by admitting that.

. I have said that according to Meriam, he never told her that he was born in Kenya..

So where did she get the idea he was born there?

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

She was quite clear about President Obama not being the source

No, she wasn't. She didn't say he wasn't the source, she word parsed, you know, like you are doing

Clear enough for any rational person.

There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii.

I am not certain what different wording would be more clear that Obama did not tell her or her associates that he was born in Kenya.

She is clear he did not tell her and presumably some unidentified people.

So here is one scenario where her statement would be true.
- An intern sat down with Obama and wrote the bio.
- The intern gave it to the fact checking department to fact check
- She didn’t do that (according to her)
- Then she said Obama didn’t tell us (us being me or my fact checking cohorts who probably unlike me do their jobs and fact checkers)
- That’s why it’s not enough for a critical mind, there are obvious huge gaps as there are in any half story

Tell me how we know from her statement that is not what happened?

There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii.

So apparently she still has access to his correspondence from 1991 since she easily made that statement to the press hours right after the pamphlet was released by Breitbart and Drudge. Oherwise how did she remember the specific correspondence from that long ago? Why doesn't she release his correspondence to prove her statement is true?

 

[kaz]

"Us" is inclusive- it means Meriam and other people

No shit Dick Tracy. What “other” people? The fact checking department she claims to have been an incompetent member of? Random people who were in a room with Obama? The entire division? The entire company? The royal we?


Again, she didn’t say. She said almost nothing and explained almost nothing. Yeah, I want the full story before I give her any credibility. So would you if you had a critical mind.

Anyone with a critical mind wouldn't be obsessed with this pamphlet.

Oh, but Kaz says the birthers are a teeny tiny minority (51% in the last GOP primary)

PMSING again already?

No, are you?

No, but i"m not being snotty and bitchy so it's not the same

 

[kaz]

You are making the flagrant assumption that Obama gave a false answer

I am asking why anyone would possibly make up where he was born, I am asking why Miriam gave a very vague clarifying statement and I am asking why exactly she didn't do her job.

Questions you were be pounding if we were discussing a Republican. So would I. But I'm not a hypocrite like you

Yes, what could be the reason? The absence of one leaves us the logical conclusion that he didn't. Especially when the publisher said it was a fact checking error.

The absence of evidence means we should conclude the Democrat was truthful. Got it. And I said you weren't consistent, obviously you would believe a Republican without evidence he told the truth too. Which was my yellowcake point, BTW, your flagrant hypocrisy and double standards