Is States Secession in the Future for USA???

[glockmail]

Is States Succession in the Future for USA??? One Russian Scholar seems to think so? Read the link below, all opinions are welcome...
FOXNews.com - Russian Scholar Predicts Economic Crisis Will Rip America Apart - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News
Its my personal opinion, if it did happen, that the southern states could not survive it without Texas and Mississippi. From what i understand, Meridian MS is where the Navy Aircraft carrier pilots are trained and Vicksburg MS is the local of one of 5 supercomputers in the USA, and Texas is virtually a sovereign country with alot of oil and gasoline???

A more likely scenario is that Mexico will invade the southwest, Russia will invade Alaska, and the Canadians will take over shipping in the St. Lawrence River. At that point The Northeast states will declare gay marriage as the law of the land and because of that The South will secede, taking along wit it Texas and Louisiana. The northeast states will declare war but we'll simply cut off the oil and natural gas pipelines to them. Maybe Japan will take over Hawaii and what's left of California and the west coast.

 

[bigdaddygtr]

Personally, I'd like to revisit that ruling, overturn it, and let Texas be the first to secede. Take Alaska with ya, but since Texas is truly like its own country, let them go first

 

[editec]

I'd say that the possibility of the USA breaking up in my lifetime is about zero percent.

 

[AVG-JOE]

If anyone could pull it off, it'd be us.

Let me know if the wind blows that direction... I would head back to Texas in a heartbeat to help in that effort.

-Joe

 

[del]

Let's see if Florida will trade us Cape Canaveral for----Texarkanna ?

exactly how stupid do you think people in florida are? or maybe they're bigtime gizzard and neck fans....

 

[AVG-JOE]

Most Western European socialist states have been able to get away with socialism because of a few main attributes

1) They are small
2) They are ethnically homogeneous
3) They are very highly educated
4) They are relatively wealthy to begin with

The countries starting to fail now are the larger ones (Germany and France) who are growing increasingly heterogeneous and poorer due to massive, uncontrolled third world, mostly poor Muslim, immigration. socialist systems are largely rigid, don't scale at all, and are not nearly nimble enough to react to rapidly changing, diverse demographics...

This is an interesting point... has a lot of logical merit. According to this thinking, the world will soon have much to learn from America regarding social issues - that is just plain weird, we're supposed to be teachers of ruthless business and profits, not how to deal with the less fortunate.

-Joe

 

[WhiteLion]

Well it's all well and good to say it, but Lincoln certainly didn't believe this in the least.

Like the old cliche, "say what you mean, mean what you say cause one thing leads to another"???

 

[WhiteLion]

Martial Law---please.

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDYllakM0hk]YouTube - FEMA Presidential Executive Orders List & Directive 51[/ame]

 

[dilloduck]

YouTube - FEMA Presidential Executive Orders List & Directive 51

SPELL IT RIGHT ! It's NOT "Marshall Law" for God's sake !

 

[Tech_Esq]

The idea that the US would break up is so ludicrous as to not even rise to the level that someone should expend mental energy considering it.

It has less a chance of occurring than the new fantasy that someone thought up that Northern Virginia secede from Virginia and become the 51st state.

Both of these would require great energy from citizens who are not inspired to act. Could they be so inspired? I cannot imagine a scenario where they could be.

 

[dilloduck]

The idea that the US would break up is so ludicrous as to not even rise to the level that someone should expend mental energy considering it.

It has less a chance of occurring than the new fantasy that someone thought up that Northern Virginia secede from Virginia and become the 51st state.

Both of these would require great energy from citizens who are not inspired to act. Could they be so inspired? I cannot imagine a scenario where they could be.

Inspiring Americans to act at all is pretty far fetched right now. I can't think of a thing that would motivate them t odo anything more than gripe about our "government" not doing the right thing.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

At some point in time the people of Alaska, Texas, California or others have got to figure out that the cost of maintaining their relationship with the federal government is not worth what they get out of that relationship.

The next question is will Obama (or whoever is Commander in Chief at the time) send troops, and will those troops shoot Americans to preserve the union?

No easy answers, thats for sure.

-Joe

Before any of that happens REX 84 will executed.

If it takes military action to "preserve" the union, then there will be no union to preserve.

 

[Againsheila]

The Supreme Court ruled in 1868 in White v Texas that states do not have a right to secede. I don't agree with it, but that's a whole different topic.

The fact is, the Federal government has given itself the legal right to hold states within the union by whatever means necessary. Basically, secession would require a successful armed rebellion.

I think the Declaration of Independence gives all states the right to secede.

In fact, I think the south had that right and the north stepped all over them.

You're right, it will take a successful armed rebellion, and that's why our forefathers gave us the 2nd amendment.

 

[Againsheila]

No.

I've read a few pieces by various Russian authors lately on collapse. I think they are transferring their experience with the collapse of the Soviet Union and projecting a similar scenario onto the world.

It won't happen.

The USSR was an unwieldy empire, with disparate peoples and little to bind the empire together. The economy was rotten as resource allocation was based almost entirely on non-price signals, particularly on political patronage and the maintenance of political power.

These factors do not exist in America.

The soviet union fell because they went broke trying to maintain an arms race with us. We will fall because we are broke trying to maintain too many wars AND giving what is left over to the already obscenely wealthy.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

"Corporations have been enthroned An era of corruption in high
places will follow and the money power will endeavor to
prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people
. . until wealth is aggregated in a few hands . . . and the
Republic is destroyed."
-- Abraham Lincoln

A deeply profound quote indeed, and even more important today than when Lincoln first said it .. as is Thomas Jefferson's belief that freedom from corporations was a basic human right.

 

[dilloduck]

Before any of that happens REX 84 will executed.

If it takes military action to "preserve" the union, then there will be no union to preserve.

Do you actually believe that the government has the manpower, the will, and th efficiency required to pull off such a plan ?

 

[Againsheila]

Well it's all well and good to say it, but Lincoln certainly didn't believe this in the least.

What do you expect from a man that signed the Emancipation Proclamation which exempted every slave under his control?

 

[Againsheila]

A more likely scenario is that Mexico will invade the southwest, Russia will invade Alaska, and the Canadians will take over shipping in the St. Lawrence River. At that point The Northeast states will declare gay marriage as the law of the land and because of that The South will secede, taking along wit it Texas and Louisiana. The northeast states will declare war but we'll simply cut off the oil and natural gas pipelines to them. Maybe Japan will take over Hawaii and what's left of California and the west coast.

Being taking over by Japan...hmmm...well I do have a lot of Japanese friends and it is the cleanest country I've ever seen. Of course, most of the Japanese that come here want to remain here, but well, I would love to live in Japan. They have one of the best public transportation systems in the world. The people are friendly. Heck, they leave their bicycles out at night and don't even have to lock them, so no petty crime. Not sure that would be all bad.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

I think the Declaration of Independence gives all states the right to secede.

In fact, I think the south had that right and the north stepped all over them.

You're right, it will take a successful armed rebellion, and that's why our forefathers gave us the 2nd amendment.

What they did not give us was the courage or intelligence to face our challenges more responsibly then shooting our way into our own demise.

We don't even have the courage or intelligence to recognize what it is that is tearing us apart. Stuck on stupid, when continue to play democrat vs republican without seeing that both political parties are controlled by the exact same element.

We exist in a plutocracy .. SEE: Bailout .. but most of us have no idea what that means or how to address it.

Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama .. changing the deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

The soviet union fell because they went broke trying to maintain an arms race with us. We will fall because we are broke trying to maintain too many wars AND giving what is left over to the already obscenely wealthy.

Exactly.

SEE: Rome