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I'm not blaming either side Mac. The 'lesson' isn't placing blame due to political preferences. It's simply saying that your country wrecked things and now you have to OWN those things.Conservatives are not dividing the racesSomewhat true, as it would be somewhat true if you said conservatives should do likewise. The solution is not in blaming your political opponents. You didn't even understand the simple 'lesson'!Liberals should stop dividing the racesSo now that everybody should be capable of understanding the lesson, what is the solution to the problem?
dont blame the victims of a black president with a chip on his shoulder and the Black Lies Matter crowd
Your history isn't the problem Marty. You didn't understand the lesson so I'll elaborate a bit more so you'll be sure to get it.It's a good thing that it's being discussed Marty. So just read my 'lesson' post because it says pretty much the same as how you put it, but in an easier to understand way.Quite ridiculous to suggest that it was! But it can serve as an introduction to the facts of the situation as it exists in America today.
The US Constitution failed to address the slavery issue with enough firmness and determination to put an end to the issue, due to compromises necessary to forming the union.
That lack of determination has caused the problem to fester until it has become the monstrous problem it is today. Other countries dealt with the slavery issue with enough firmness to at least reduce the problem to manageable levels. The US did not and now the problem is too big to handle.
Original sin? No one country is guilty of that any more than another.
Slavery as an issue was settled by the Civil War. The issues we face now are from the failed transition at the end of slavery as well as the failed re-integration of the rebel States back into the country. The death of Lincoln removed the one force that could have tempered the Radical Republicans while at the same time been harsh enough on the southerners to force them to change their plan to subjugate the freed slaves via proxy enslavement. JWB's bullet did far more damage to the US in the decades that followed then all the other bullets shot in the Civil War combined.
What is the problem?
Why is our history a problem that has to be solved in some way?
America's white people wrecked the black population but England didn't and they have cars that are in great condition after the roughly equal amount of time they (the cars) have been owned.
You get this Marty. No America should be missing the point.
That's it Mike! You get it and you know the problem can't be fixed yet. There's far too much political hating by your political opponents.I'd say creating democrats was.If slavery had existed for 150 years before the creation of the United States, how can it be described as our original sin? The answer is that it can't be blamed on our country unless you miraculously reset the date of its creation to 1619, when the first African slaves were sold to British colonialists in Jamestown. The principal reason for buying African slaves was their natural resistance to malaria., which was killing off the European workers in the Southern Colonies. Once purchased, they became an indispensable asset to labor intensive agriculture in those colonies.
Slavery was never popular in the Northern Colonies, and abolitionist movements began to spring up in the mid 1700s. However, resentment of the British government's authoritarian policies was also building and finally erupted into the War for Independence from Great Britain. After winning that war, the Colonies realized that their independence could not be protected unless a common government was formed. A proposed Constitution was hotly debated among the former colonies, and was ratified only after allowing the southern States to retain slavery in return for accepting joint responsibility for the war debts that had been accrued.
This compromise enabled the creation of the United States, but did not end the ever-growing abolitionist movement which culminated in the Civil War. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died in that conflagration, and it is an insult to those who died for that cause to now be accused of supporting the institution they fought against. If there is any original sin to be assigned, it was the widespread rape of African women by their slave masters. But this is not and should not be an indictment of the entire United States of America.
Exploitation, not genocide, and Europeans were exploiting each other for centuries before they landed in the Americas.
Considering the technological gap if the Europeans truly tried to wipe out the natives there wouldn't be a single Hispanic person with native blood left around.
Killing the people is one way to commit genocide ... but not the only way ... Conquistadors burned everything they found in Meso-America, enslaving the people and forcing them to convert to Catholicism ... genocide is also destroying the culture, the history, the identity of a people ...
I'm fine if you what to call this exploitation, but do you think this is America's original sin? ...
I disagree. Genocide is Genocide, it is the conscious decision to remove a given people off the face of the earth because of who they are.
The conquistadors were after gold, land and slaves, they weren't out to eliminate the natives, why waste a resource?
I am not a big fan of the generalization of something as an "original sin". Especially since everyone else at the time it was implemented was doing it, and we weren't even a country at the time it was implemented.
We were later to the party than some people eliminating it, earlier than others, the reason we had to fight over it was unique to our federal nature, and the differing economic development paths of our to main regions at the time, North and South. (at that point the West was pretty much the North).
My country?I'm not blaming either side Mac. The 'lesson' isn't placing blame due to political preferences. It's simply saying that your country wrecked things and now you have to OWN those things.
Sure Marty, let's go with your version. Does that fix the car? I would suggest that 'it's' still wrecked. You get this Marty and that's why you keep on with your excuses, valid as they may be.Your history isn't the problem Marty. You didn't understand the lesson so I'll elaborate a bit more so you'll be sure to get it.It's a good thing that it's being discussed Marty. So just read my 'lesson' post because it says pretty much the same as how you put it, but in an easier to understand way.Quite ridiculous to suggest that it was! But it can serve as an introduction to the facts of the situation as it exists in America today.
The US Constitution failed to address the slavery issue with enough firmness and determination to put an end to the issue, due to compromises necessary to forming the union.
That lack of determination has caused the problem to fester until it has become the monstrous problem it is today. Other countries dealt with the slavery issue with enough firmness to at least reduce the problem to manageable levels. The US did not and now the problem is too big to handle.
Original sin? No one country is guilty of that any more than another.
Slavery as an issue was settled by the Civil War. The issues we face now are from the failed transition at the end of slavery as well as the failed re-integration of the rebel States back into the country. The death of Lincoln removed the one force that could have tempered the Radical Republicans while at the same time been harsh enough on the southerners to force them to change their plan to subjugate the freed slaves via proxy enslavement. JWB's bullet did far more damage to the US in the decades that followed then all the other bullets shot in the Civil War combined.
What is the problem?
Why is our history a problem that has to be solved in some way?
America's white people wrecked the black population but England didn't and they have cars that are in great condition after the roughly equal amount of time they (the cars) have been owned.
You get this Marty. No America should be missing the point.
I am disagreeing with how you are presenting things, not lacking understanding, please don't be patronizing.
England didn't have the numbers of slaves in their own country that anywhere equates with what the US had. England had their own lower classes and the Irish as substitutes. England's main exploitation via slavery and indentured servitude happened where those enslaved/indentured lived. England brought the masters to the slaves, in the new world the slaves were brought to the Masters.
From the very beginning Genocide is embedded throughout the history of mankind. It defines who we are and from once we came, conquering, enslavement, and extermination is not unique to the new world. The only difference is the advancement of the the written word that documents past events.
To equate the founding fathers reluctance to address slavery and native inhabitants as the original sin of this country is liberal nonsense, as with the transference of past actions under todays political correct microscope negates the fact that Native Americans themselves engaged in genocide, slavery, and human sacrifice. So as a species we are flawed, maybe that is what Christ’s real message is all about.
Sure Marty, let's go with your version. Does that fix the car? I would suggest that 'it's' still wrecked. You get this Marty and that's why you keep on with your excuses, valid as they may be.Your history isn't the problem Marty. You didn't understand the lesson so I'll elaborate a bit more so you'll be sure to get it.It's a good thing that it's being discussed Marty. So just read my 'lesson' post because it says pretty much the same as how you put it, but in an easier to understand way.Quite ridiculous to suggest that it was! But it can serve as an introduction to the facts of the situation as it exists in America today.
The US Constitution failed to address the slavery issue with enough firmness and determination to put an end to the issue, due to compromises necessary to forming the union.
That lack of determination has caused the problem to fester until it has become the monstrous problem it is today. Other countries dealt with the slavery issue with enough firmness to at least reduce the problem to manageable levels. The US did not and now the problem is too big to handle.
Original sin? No one country is guilty of that any more than another.
Slavery as an issue was settled by the Civil War. The issues we face now are from the failed transition at the end of slavery as well as the failed re-integration of the rebel States back into the country. The death of Lincoln removed the one force that could have tempered the Radical Republicans while at the same time been harsh enough on the southerners to force them to change their plan to subjugate the freed slaves via proxy enslavement. JWB's bullet did far more damage to the US in the decades that followed then all the other bullets shot in the Civil War combined.
What is the problem?
Why is our history a problem that has to be solved in some way?
America's white people wrecked the black population but England didn't and they have cars that are in great condition after the roughly equal amount of time they (the cars) have been owned.
You get this Marty. No America should be missing the point.
I am disagreeing with how you are presenting things, not lacking understanding, please don't be patronizing.
England didn't have the numbers of slaves in their own country that anywhere equates with what the US had. England had their own lower classes and the Irish as substitutes. England's main exploitation via slavery and indentured servitude happened where those enslaved/indentured lived. England brought the masters to the slaves, in the new world the slaves were brought to the Masters.
To equate the founding fathers reluctance to address slavery and native inhabitants as the original sin of this country is liberal nonsense,
No, my country is Canada and I'm minding your business for you and I'm not going to mind my own unless you have a reason why I have to.My country?I'm not blaming either side Mac. The 'lesson' isn't placing blame due to political preferences. It's simply saying that your country wrecked things and now you have to OWN those things.
is it not your country too?
You are not qualified to lecture Americans on our internal issuesNo, my country is Canada and I'm minding your business for you and I'm not going to mind my own unless you have a reason why I have to.My country?I'm not blaming either side Mac. The 'lesson' isn't placing blame due to political preferences. It's simply saying that your country wrecked things and now you have to OWN those things.
is it not your country too?
Staid really nailed it don't you think Mac?
The valid ones Marty.Sure Marty, let's go with your version. Does that fix the car? I would suggest that 'it's' still wrecked. You get this Marty and that's why you keep on with your excuses, valid as they may be.Your history isn't the problem Marty. You didn't understand the lesson so I'll elaborate a bit more so you'll be sure to get it.It's a good thing that it's being discussed Marty. So just read my 'lesson' post because it says pretty much the same as how you put it, but in an easier to understand way.Quite ridiculous to suggest that it was! But it can serve as an introduction to the facts of the situation as it exists in America today.
The US Constitution failed to address the slavery issue with enough firmness and determination to put an end to the issue, due to compromises necessary to forming the union.
That lack of determination has caused the problem to fester until it has become the monstrous problem it is today. Other countries dealt with the slavery issue with enough firmness to at least reduce the problem to manageable levels. The US did not and now the problem is too big to handle.
Original sin? No one country is guilty of that any more than another.
Slavery as an issue was settled by the Civil War. The issues we face now are from the failed transition at the end of slavery as well as the failed re-integration of the rebel States back into the country. The death of Lincoln removed the one force that could have tempered the Radical Republicans while at the same time been harsh enough on the southerners to force them to change their plan to subjugate the freed slaves via proxy enslavement. JWB's bullet did far more damage to the US in the decades that followed then all the other bullets shot in the Civil War combined.
What is the problem?
Why is our history a problem that has to be solved in some way?
America's white people wrecked the black population but England didn't and they have cars that are in great condition after the roughly equal amount of time they (the cars) have been owned.
You get this Marty. No America should be missing the point.
I am disagreeing with how you are presenting things, not lacking understanding, please don't be patronizing.
England didn't have the numbers of slaves in their own country that anywhere equates with what the US had. England had their own lower classes and the Irish as substitutes. England's main exploitation via slavery and indentured servitude happened where those enslaved/indentured lived. England brought the masters to the slaves, in the new world the slaves were brought to the Masters.
What excuses?
O.k. then you shouldn't accept anything I say as being relevant. But I still know that you've wrecked your 'cars' by treating them badly and now you are stuck with owning them.You are not qualified to lecture Americans on our internal issuesNo, my country is Canada and I'm minding your business for you and I'm not going to mind my own unless you have a reason why I have to.My country?I'm not blaming either side Mac. The 'lesson' isn't placing blame due to political preferences. It's simply saying that your country wrecked things and now you have to OWN those things.
is it not your country too?
Staid really nailed it don't you think Mac?
I dontO.k. then you shouldn't accept anything I say as being relevant.
Slavery and Segregation are part of our history.
Yeah rw, and they're part of my history and Britains history too but that's irrelevant. That which is relevant is that they are a part of your foreseeable future too.Slavery and Segregation are part of our history.
I may have to choose to debate with you.I dontO.k. then you shouldn't accept anything I say as being relevant.
and I wont debate it with you
The valid ones Marty.Sure Marty, let's go with your version. Does that fix the car? I would suggest that 'it's' still wrecked. You get this Marty and that's why you keep on with your excuses, valid as they may be.Your history isn't the problem Marty. You didn't understand the lesson so I'll elaborate a bit more so you'll be sure to get it.It's a good thing that it's being discussed Marty. So just read my 'lesson' post because it says pretty much the same as how you put it, but in an easier to understand way.Quite ridiculous to suggest that it was! But it can serve as an introduction to the facts of the situation as it exists in America today.
The US Constitution failed to address the slavery issue with enough firmness and determination to put an end to the issue, due to compromises necessary to forming the union.
That lack of determination has caused the problem to fester until it has become the monstrous problem it is today. Other countries dealt with the slavery issue with enough firmness to at least reduce the problem to manageable levels. The US did not and now the problem is too big to handle.
Original sin? No one country is guilty of that any more than another.
Slavery as an issue was settled by the Civil War. The issues we face now are from the failed transition at the end of slavery as well as the failed re-integration of the rebel States back into the country. The death of Lincoln removed the one force that could have tempered the Radical Republicans while at the same time been harsh enough on the southerners to force them to change their plan to subjugate the freed slaves via proxy enslavement. JWB's bullet did far more damage to the US in the decades that followed then all the other bullets shot in the Civil War combined.
What is the problem?
Why is our history a problem that has to be solved in some way?
America's white people wrecked the black population but England didn't and they have cars that are in great condition after the roughly equal amount of time they (the cars) have been owned.
You get this Marty. No America should be missing the point.
I am disagreeing with how you are presenting things, not lacking understanding, please don't be patronizing.
England didn't have the numbers of slaves in their own country that anywhere equates with what the US had. England had their own lower classes and the Irish as substitutes. England's main exploitation via slavery and indentured servitude happened where those enslaved/indentured lived. England brought the masters to the slaves, in the new world the slaves were brought to the Masters.
What excuses?
But America still treated them badly and so the 'car' is wrecked.
So you say that England didn't have the same problem to the same degree and that's why England doesn't have the equal problem today. I'm good with that too Marty but it doesn't fix America's 'cars'!
I know you want attention but I know from experience that its pointless to debate know-it-all foreigners who dont know what they are talking aboutI may have to choose to debate with you.
