'Is Secession Legal?'

[NYcarbineer]

Let's recall one other point of interest.

The country called the Confederate States of America surrendered UNCONDITIONALLY.

 

[Liability]

Let's recall one other point of interest.

The country called the Confederate States of America surrendered UNCONDITIONALLY.

That is a point of interest.

It's not a point of any particular relevance, however.

 

[Liability]

DID the States ratify the Constitution creating the Federal Government only upon condition that the Constitution carefully limit the powers thereby granted to the Federal government?

I could add, "yes or no?" -- but that "question" would be a false dilemma. The ANSWER is, "yes."

Now IF that's the case and it is), then what do those of you who claim that secession is flatly illegal say can be done about it if and when the Federal Government transgresses those clearly delimited boundaries?

SOME of you stake out the position that there can be resort to thje Court system. Ultimately, that means the SCOTUS. But if the highest FEDERAL Court "sides" with those who are trampling Constitutional limits on Federal power in the first place, THEN what do you say can be done about it?

Is your "answer" REALLY that there's nothing that can properly and legally be done?

You guys give up too easily.

Legal is only legal if the legal authority to determine legality says its legal. Even you know that.

The residents of states have rights as US citizens. That is inarguable. Secession would inevitably violate those rights. Explain how outright violations of the rights of US citizens could be legal under the Constitution.

While I greatly admire tautology once in a while, your tautology is silly.

If a legal authority violates an obligation imposed on it and tries to declare its own action "legal," that claim does not convert the violation into a legal act.

So, with all due respect, and all that jazz: you are still plainly wrong.

Residents of states do have rights as U.S. citizens and some of those rights can sometimes be violated by the FEDERAL government, too. And yet YOU are arguing that the States are absolutely and unconditioonally powerless to do anything about those violations committed BY the Federal government.

Your position is silly and quite indefensible.

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

The Supremacy clause requires the states to follow federal law. You cannot secede with violating that requirement. Therefore the Constitution DOES prohibit secession. Explicitly.

A assert once again, that there is nothing in the Constitution that forces a state to stay within the union of the United States of America. There is nothing in the Supremacy Clause that prevents it. You need to read the Constitution more carefully. It does not state what you claim it does.

You cannot arbitrarily exempt yourself from state laws, states and their citizens cannot arbitrarily exempt themselves from federal laws. The income tax for example is a constitutional obligation. A state cannot arbitrarily exempt its citizens from paying federal income tax.

The Constitution does not have to say 'you can't secede!!!' in order for secession to be illegal, since the mere act of secession would entail so many other illegalities.

You are clueless on this matter. There is nothing in the Constitution that forbids the states from leaving the union of the United States of America; a union that they entered into of their own volition. To suggest that the founding fathers fought to free themselves from the tyranny of England only to construct a form of government under the Constitution, that would once again makes them hopeless powerless and at the mercy of the tyranny of the federal government, is absurd and flies in the face of our Constitutional Republic and its supporting founding documents.

Once a state removes itself from the union it entered into of its own volition, the Constitution no longer applies to them. Spouting off about the Supremacy Clause as a defense only proves one thing, you don't understand the subject matter. And this post is more of your not understanding. If you could actually make a substantive defense for your position, you would have done it by now. You are throwing wet noodles on the wall hoping that they tell you your argument is done cooking.

 

[Charles Stucker]

Let's recall one other point of interest.

The country called the Confederate States of America surrendered UNCONDITIONALLY.

The old "Might Makes Right" slogan. Glad to see the budding tyrants are not ignoring the thread.