Is Russia a threat to Western Europa and the U.S.?

[Zavulon]

Then stop discriminating and get out of Ukraine.

That is exactly why some Russians got out of Ukraine. They just took their houses and their land with them. More will left soon.

And no, Russians don't discriminate Ukrainians. No more than Americans discriminate Hillbillies.

 

[Zavulon]

The Russian barbarians invaded Ukraine.

Actually, the "Russian barbarians" had invaded the territory of the modern Ukraine at least thousand years before the very idea of "Ukraine" was invented.

 

[Zavulon]

You throw bombs at Russians and murder them?

Yep. Sad but necessary.

... Aha ... or better to say "nanoo nanoo". I guess it makes not any sense to ask you what's a reasonable behavior. Germans try to defend Russians and Russians murder Russians?

No. Germans (as usual) try to genocide Russians and for this goal, as usual, they use other Russians.

On the other side: Why should I really be astonished? In a worst case scenario Stalin murdered about 40 million Russians. So whatelse to expect from the Stalinist Putin?

Stalin saved the world (and, especially, Russia) from European barbarians during WWII and had paid grave, but definitely acceptable price for this goal. Putin (and Russian people), looks like, is going to save the world (and Russia) by WWIII and also ready to pay the price. Even in the unlikely pessimistic scenario the price of your total elimination will be nearly half of the world's and third of Russia's population.

If you don't want to live in peace with Russia - you won't live at all. And the world will be better (at least cleaner and safer) without you.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

And the Russians can't defeat Ukraine.

 

[Zavulon]

And the Russians can't defeat Ukraine.

Ukraine is already defeated (while it wasn't our goal). Whatever kind of peace they got - Ukrainian state won't survive. And no, it's not about Ukraine at all.

 

[zaangalewa]

Yep. Sad but necessary.

Says the Russian without face who murderd a 3 years old Ukrainian?

No. Germans (as usual) try to genocide Russians and for this goal, as usual, they use other Russians.

Keeps one logical problem: The Russians had been Aryans for the Nazis.

Stalin saved the world (and, especially, Russia) from European barbarians

By murdering 40 million Russians? Looks like you was not murdered, Cain.

during WWII and had paid grave, but definitely acceptable price for this goal. Putin (and Russian people), looks like, is going to save the world (and Russia) by WWIII and also ready to pay the price.

So the price for the saving of the world are the murdered Ukrainains who you call Russians, Mr. Faceless.

Even in the unlikely pessimistic scenario the price of your total elimination will be nearly half of the world's and third of Russia's population.

If other Germans are as vindictive as I usually am - and Karl Lagerfeld was like that too - then I see no chance for the survival of even a single Russian after you have eliminated Germany and all Germans.

By the way: If you are operating here on behalf of the Russian government - which I suspect - then what you say here already gives us the right to completely annihilate all Russians. This is usually called “self-defense”. Otherwise you are simply one of Russia's worst enemies and the Russians should finish you off. All the evolutionary patterns I know clearly indicate that you are a candidate for death from which one should wisely keep as far away as possible. Both physically and spiritually.

If you don't want to live in peace with Russia

I live in peace with everyone. And Russia will also live in peace again. Either in the peace of the graveyards or the living peace in god. That's your own decision - and exclusively only your own decision.

- you won't live at all. And the world will be better (at least cleaner and safer) without you.

Everyone in the civilized world touches every day something what only exists because a German was envolved. But nearly no one thanks Russia anything what really makes sense. So the best what you are able to do is to end your stupid, senseless and criminal war on Europe in the Ukraine. Leave the Ukraine with all of your soldiers. Yesterday.

 

[zaangalewa]

Ukraine is already defeated (while it wasn't our goal). Whatever kind of peace they got - Ukrainian state won't survive. And no, it's not about Ukraine at all.

You have really not any plan what you try to speak about. If I understand your "logic" - or whatever it is you're blathering on about - you will then wipe out Russians because you like to do what after you did do suicide?

Scenario: Ukraine is dead - Germany is dead. What also means the Chechs are dead, the Slovaks are dead, the three baltic nations are dead and all other Europeans are dead or nearly dead. What afterwards when Europe will be finally totally dead? Asia dead? Africa dead? America dead? Australia dead? Whole world dead? ... And then? Everywhere will live only Russians on the whole planet. What then? What kind of future is this?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Ukraine is already defeated (while it wasn't our goal). Whatever kind of peace they got - Ukrainian state won't survive. And no, it's not about Ukraine at all.

Stop lying.

Your goal: take Ukraine in two days, execute Z and his buds, terrorize the Ukrainians and make them your slaves.

Fact: Russia is defeated until it can conquer Ukraine, which is not impossible.

Conclusion: Turn over Putin to Z and withdraw all troops leaving all equipment and facilities intact.

 

[Zavulon]

Stop lying.

Your goal: take Ukraine in two days, execute Z and his buds, terrorize the Ukrainians and make them your slaves.

Obviously no. Our goals: in Ukraine - denazification, demilitarization and neutral status. In Europe - rolling back NATO's military infrastructure back to, at least 1997 borders. In the world - end of Pax American and building new, multipolar world's order.

The process is still going, and it's going well. It isn't over until it's over. Looks like in few more years we are going to win.

Fact: Russia is defeated until it can conquer Ukraine, which is not impossible.

It is possible, but it's not a goal.

Conclusion: Turn over Putin to Z and withdraw all troops leaving all equipment and facilities intact.

Even American decision-makers, with all their stupidity and wishful thinking, are not that stupid.

 

[Zavulon]

You have really not any plan what you try to speak about. If I understand your "logic" - or whatever it is you're blathering on about - you will then wipe out Russians because you like to do what after you did do suicide?

Scenario: Ukraine is dead - Germany is dead. What also means the Chechs are dead, the Slovaks are dead, the three baltic nations are dead and all other Europeans are dead or nearly dead. What afterwards when Europe will be finally totally dead? Asia dead? Africa dead? America dead? Australia dead? Whole world dead? ... And then? Everywhere will live only Russians on the whole planet. What then? What kind of future is this?

Of course no. Denazification of Ukraine doesn't mean that the all Ukrainians are dead. And Ukrainians (as far as I know) doesn't posses any Doomsday machine (noone does). And denazification of Germany (in the case of AfD victory) won't mean the death of all Germans. Vice versa - it means their survival.

 

[zaangalewa]

Of course no. Denazification of Ukraine ...

... is just simple Russian nonsense. It was Russia .- Putin's Russia and not the Ukraine - who used Nazi-mercenaries called "Wagner" (sorry composer Wagner that every idiot today seems to think meanwhile you had something to do with Nazis).

This Russian Nazi mercenaries were (and/or still are) a kind of private terror army payed from the Russian taxpayers. Putin fought as well - meanwhile very successful - the beginning sun rise of the Russian democracy as he is fighting - still not really successful - against the independent country Ukraine.

In the end Putin murdered some of the leaders of this "Wagner" mercenaries (Nazi mercenaries) and integrated them into the Red army. From time to time he tries to say this mercenaries had been Germans and their crimes had been German crimes. I guess this will be one day written in the fantasy books which you call "Russian histrooy books". That's why they used a German name for Russian terror.

Putin is not only a Stalinist who tries to refound the Soviet empire (what Russia once dissolved on its own) as a Russian new national state. He is also a Nazi who fights for a new kind social Darwinism in which he is the leading wolve - better to call him "führender Feischwolf" = "leading meat mincer".

 

[Zavulon]

... is just simple Russian nonsense. It was Russia .- Putin's Russia and not the Ukraine - who used Nazi-mercenaries called "Wagner" (sorry composer Wagner that every idiot today seems to think meanwhile you had something to do with Nazis).

This Russian Nazi mercenaries were (and/or still are) a kind of private terror army payed from the Russian taxpayers. Putin fought as well - meanwhile very successful - the beginning sun rise of the Russian democracy as he is fighting - still not really successful - against the independent country Ukraine.

In the end Putin murdered some of the leaders of this "Wagner" mercenaries (Nazi mercenaries) and integrated them into the Red army. From time to time he tries to say this mercenaries had been Germans and their crimes had been German crimes. I guess this will be one day written in the fantasy books which you call "Russian histrooy books". That's why they used a German name for Russian terror.

Putin is not only a Stalinist who tries to refound the Soviet empire (what Russia once dissolved on its own) as a Russian new national state. He is also a Nazi who fights for a new kind social Darwinism in which he is the leading wolve - better to call him "führender Feischwolf" = "leading meat mincer".

Wagner group isn't and simply can't be "Nazies" (in the Russian understanding of the term), because Nazies (by definition) are anti-Russians, and Wagner group was (and still is) pro-Russian.
Anyway, instead of the word "denazification" (if you don't like it for some reason) you may use words "establishing Russia's puppet regime in Kiev/Russian occupation of the whole Ukraine" or something.

 

[zaangalewa]

Wagner group isn't and simply can't be "Nazies" (in the Russian understanding of the term), because Nazies (by definition) are anti-Russians, and Wagner group was (and still is) pro-Russian. ...

Aha. That's why you gave this Russians the name of the German composer "Wagner" because many or most people think he had to do with Nazis - what's nothing else than blatant nonsense.

On the other side: Putin is Nazi and Stalinist - both. That's totally clear. And to call Putin pro-Russian would be as absurd as to call Hitler pro-German, Victor Orban pro-Hungary, Erdogan pro-Turkey or Donald Trump pro-USA. Such people are simply noodling around in a nationalistic and racist manner while they are above all cheating and ripping off their own countrymen and even slaughtering them or having them slaughtered. The growing mass of these lunatic state and economic leaders indicates that large parts of humanity have conspired for their own downfall and are running after these potentially and truly murderous criminals who promise gold and deliver shit. You, shit talker Zavulon and slave of Putin, have not the slightest scruple about murdering hundreds of millions of people.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Wagner group isn't and simply can't be "Nazies" (in the Russian understanding of the term), because Nazies (by definition) are anti-Russians, and Wagner group was (and still is) pro-Russian.
Anyway, instead of the word "denazification" (if you don't like it for some reason) you may use words "establishing Russia's puppet regime in Kiev/Russian occupation of the whole Ukraine" or something.

Nice.