CDZ Is preventing one Corona death worth 1,000 people losing their jobs?

[Syriusly]

Evidence shows that those on the moderate to severe end of the spectrum (who experience breathing difficulties and pneumonia) may be left with permanent lung damage!

here is the kicker.... the lung damage is not from the virus but rather from the ventilators.

Your own citation says just the opposite- why do you people fall for this?

At this point, COVID-19 can trigger an exaggerated immune response setting off a chain reaction which causes increased inflammation and fluid to fill the lungs. This affects approximately 14 percent of infected people. When this happens, pneumonia sets in as the fluid attracts bacteria as well as the virus itself. Breathing becomes difficult and patients need to be put on a ventilator.

It is this process of excess inflammation brought on by an overreacting immune system that is the biggest danger to the lungs. It can cause irreversible damage to the air sacs on the periphery of the lungs known as alveoli. These are delicate balloon-like structures which fill with air when we take a breath in and allow the oxygen to pass from the lungs into the blood for transportation to the rest of the body. They also help take carbon dioxide away.

The inflammation caused by the body's immune response to the virus can cause the alveoli to pop, giving the lungs a honeycomb-type appearance, or to harden so they are no longer able to do their job. When this happens, a condition similar to fibrosis or hardening of the lungs occurs.

According to WHO, SARS, a type of coronavirus that behaves similarly to COVID-19, did the same thing to the lungs of those affected by it and led to permanent damage to these people's ability to breathe normally.

All this would suggest that for a small number of people who are severely affected by the disease, breathing normally may never be the same again and getting short of breath on minimal exertion or requiring medication to help you breathe may become the norm.

 

[Syriusly]

The fact is that the Democrats have been wanting to crash the economy as a way of preventing President Trump's reelection. To dispute this is the height of intellectual dishonesty.

The fact is that Democrats want a successful economy just like everyone else. To dispute this just displays your extreme devotion to your Dear Leader.

 

[Manonthestreet]

MN is working on a 3 billion bailout, relief package for Mayo Clinic / hospital in Rochester ....20,000 laid off ......now start multiplying that ......yeah we can do this forever......rigggghhhhttttt

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Same dilemma posed in the form of a question.

Are you willing to die so that 1000 people MIGHT be able to keep their jobs?

Yes, I am...

My life does not outweigh the needs of the many...

Those one thousand people working most likely means that three other people depend on that one person, so my life is not more important than four thousand people.

 

[Markle]

I say no. One person dying is a singular event. One thousand people losing their jobs has lasting repercussions. What say you?

How pro life of you.

I say no. Money is not more important than people.

However we aren't seeing just one death. We're seeing thousands. All ages too. From babies to people in their 80s and everyone in between.

Every one of those who died, died alone without anyone who loved them with them. Their loved ones can't have a funeral because can't have a gathering of over 10 people. Every one of those who died was loved by someone. That means something. People's hearts are being broken and lives are being destroyed.

Yes, life is much more important than money.

Like it or not, every life is measured in dollars.

Every year, about 30 infants drown in the "empty" plastic pails in which paint and other commodities are sold. The convenience of those pails is worth the lives of 30 infants. Manufacturers and customers are willing to pay the cost of thirty lawsuits. Probably 100 would be acceptable as well as 300. At 1,000 we might see some resistance and a price increase in those buckets to cover the additional losses.

We could keep the restrictions in place for a year and there would still be additional deaths from the COVID-19. We could open things up next Monday and there would be a lot more deaths. How many is too many is a fine line.

No matter his decision, everyone is not going to be happy with his plan. President Donald Trump has to consult his economic advisers and his medical advisers and come up with a compromise. I don't envy that decision, I pray that God will help and guide him in this incredibly tough decision.

 

[Desperado]

The fact is that the Democrats have been wanting to crash the economy as a way of preventing President Trump's reelection. To dispute this is the height of intellectual dishonesty.

The fact is that Democrats want a successful economy just like everyone else. To dispute this just displays your extreme devotion to your Dear Leader.

To dispute this just look at the actions of the democrats! Their actions speak volumes and they are not saying save this economy

 

[Markle]

Found another one....

Coronavirus: We Should Follow Sweden’s Example - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

For years, progressives have told us that the United States should adopt a health-care system similar to that of Sweden. At present, the most celebrated advocate of this approach is Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). Oddly, he has been silent about...

spectator.org

Comparing what the US should or could do compared to Sweden is just foolish, childish.

Sweden has a population about that of New York City. Its capital, Stockholm, has a population fewer than one million people and that capital is spread over 14 islands.

 

[Markle]

All of the current situations are related to Donald Trump's incompetence. He granted wealthy corporations huge tax reductions. They brought back their foreign cash reserves, borrowed more, and combined the cash and borrowings with the tax deduction savings and bought back their shares to create a bogus stock market bubble.

Trump has been crashing the US economy since January 2017 as he created debt at >2 x GDP growth rate.

The coronavirus job crisis is just the latest manifestation of Dopey Donald Trump's incompetence.

Now these corporations, including Boeing, are crying poor because thet frittered their cash holdings on the Trump bogus stockmarket bubble.

Leave your TDS behind. This is the CDZ zone, grow up.

Saying that President Trump has been crashing the economy since 2017 is just foolish as anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows that is not true.

 

[Markle]

Dopey Donald Trump made the US economy fragile by creating the environment for corporations to squander their cash assets and tax savings on share buy-backs to create a bogus share market bubble.

Donald Trump was accumulating government debt >2 x GDP growth which means the debt infusion was unproductive as it was producing only 50% of its value in economic growth.

Any fool can create a bubble with burgeoning debt and low interest rates. Now the bubble has burst.

Yes Trumpies, it is Dopey Donald Trump's fault you are blubbering, blathering, and blundering around singing his praises while biting people on the neck.

You just love throwing out figures about which you know nothing and try to look knowledgeable. It is still not working.

Debt To Gdp Ratio By Country 2020
There are many different equations used to determine how economically sound a nation is, and one of these calculations is the debt-to-GDP ratio. This ratio measures a country’s government debt compared to its gross domestic product (GDP) – or the value of all goods and services produced by the country.

The debt-to-GDP ratio is usually expressed as a percentage and is used to indicate whether or not a country is able to pay back its debts. If the ratio indicates that a nation is unable to pay its government debts, there is a risk of default, which could wreak havoc on the markets.

As of June 2019, the nation with the highest debt-to-GDP ratio is Japan with a ratio of 253%. The next highest ratio is from Greece, which at 181.1%, lags significantly behind Japan.

Lebanon has the next highest debt-to-GDP ratio at 152%, followed by Italy at 123.4%. Other nations with high debt-to-GDP ratios include:

• Cape Verde: 123.4%
• Portugal: 121.5%
• Congo: 117.7%
• Singapore: 112.2%
• Mozambique: 110.5%
• Bhutan: 108.64%
• United States: 105.4%
• Jamaica: 103.3%

Debt to GDP Ratio by Country 2024

 

[Markle]

Oh we have been practicing quarantine since early February, more out of seasonal flu concerns than COVID. It certainly became more extreme when we saw what was happening in Italy.

But it's not only about my husband and myself. Our daughter is a front line healthcare worker. Why should any healthcare worker's life be put at risk, before therapies and vaccines are developed, because some fool thinks a $ is worth more than their lives?

No. I'll never accept that as a rational position. Economies can recover. Dead people can't.

Does your daughter drive to work? Is that okay with you? You, she, insurance companies, auto manufacturers have all put a price on what her life is worth should she run a red light and be killed. How is that okay but not deaths from a virus?

 

[2aguy]

Easy too say, but what if that one death is you your child your parent, would that change the value?

Or what if your child was a front line healthcare worker who had to care for the fools who think jobs are more important than life? Would that change anything?

Who said jobs are more important than life? We are talking lives vs. lives....do you understand what a Great Depression means for the country and for the world? How many lives will be lost going forward vs. what is now proving likely to be a bad seasonal flu number? And yes....all the models are being pulled back.........look at the news......

Can you see the effects on 10s of millions of people who have no jobs, no money for a decade? Do you understand what that means for people dying from stress, suicide, alcohol and drug abuse?

I have relatives on the front lines of this too........so virtue signaling on your part has no weight.

So which one of those relatives are you willing to offer up as a sacrifice to the economy?

None, which of the millions going forward are you willing to sacrifice ....who will also die because everyone over reacted to a virus that will likely not be worse than the seasonal flu? Which of those people will you kill?

All of them if it saves my child.

Virtue signaling, lmao. There is nothing virtuous here. I dgaf about the economy right now. Not one single fuck. We haven't even reached the worst yet in this country. If some of your free-spending, non-saving relatives, friends, acquaintances, political allies, etc. can't make it for a COUPLE OF DAMN MONTHS then they can go ahead and die. And I guess the Trump economy just wasn't that great after all.

Then you are foolish..........when you have no job, no money, no place to live, no food............because of a virus scare that you have a 98% chance of surviving if you get it.........

Yes.......the truth comes out......let others die......crack those eggs to make that omelete............

Trump had nothing to do with this.....this is all on the democrat party and their people at the CDC and NIH...

As a reminder, I am not the one advocating to open up the economy when we haven't even reached the peak of the outbreak. YOU are the one making the omelette. You are the one anxious to let people die for the sake of money.

This is the TrumpVirus. 100%. He knew what was coming. He was told by Peter Navarro what was coming in January for fucks sake. He could have acted far sooner than he did to manage this crisis. Instead he abdicated. Fuck Trump and fuck his supporters for thinking he is smart enough to handle anything like this. He can't even put on his makeup properly.

I thank God I am in California. One of the states who took this shit seriously. Gov. Newsome slow walked this state of 40 million people, and the world's 5th largest economy into a shutdown. And it is working. We are not suffering as much as other states. So far.

In addition, California produces more food than any other state. I think we'll be okay. You on the other hand.....sucks for you.

You are deranged....you are insane...your Trump Derangement system has reached the terminally stupid stage and you can't be helped......

The survival rate for this chinese virus is over 98%....you moron.......the death rate from a Great Depression will kill more people than the virus will.....

 

[Markle]

As a reminder, I am not the one advocating to open up the economy when we haven't even reached the peak of the outbreak. YOU are the one making the omelette. You are the one anxious to let people die for the sake of money.

This is the TrumpVirus. 100%. He knew what was coming. He was told by Peter Navarro what was coming in January for fucks sake. He could have acted far sooner than he did to manage this crisis. Instead he abdicated. Fuck Trump and fuck his supporters for thinking he is smart enough to handle anything like this. He can't even put on his makeup properly.

I thank God I am in California. One of the states who took this shit seriously. Gov. Newsome slow walked this state of 40 million people, and the world's 5th largest economy into a shutdown. And it is working. We are not suffering as much as other states. So far.

In addition, California produces more food than any other state. I think we'll be okay. You on the other hand.....sucks for you.

Either you are ignorant or you are living on a comfy chaise lounge, on a raft as you drive down Denial River.

Published February 1, 2020
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'
By Joe McDonald, Sam McNeil | Associated Press
[...]
On Friday, the United States declared a public health emergency and President Donald Trump and an order barring entry to foreign nationals, other than immediate family of American citizens and permanent residents, who visited China within the last 14 days, which scientists say is the virus’s longest incubation period.

'Unfriendly comments'
China criticized the U.S. controls, which it said contradicted the WHO’s appeal to avoid travel bans, and “unfriendly comments” that Beijing was failing to cooperate.

“Just as the WHO recommended against travel restrictions, the U.S. rushed to go in the opposite way. Certainly not a gesture of goodwill,” said foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying.

WHO Secretary-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in Geneva that despite the emergency declaration, there is “no reason for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade.”
[...]
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'

China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'

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[Markle]

Yes, those doctors. The ones hand-picked by Trump to lead us through this crisis. The doctors who told us if we took these precautions, they would work. And guess what, they are working. How about that?

Our shitty for-profit healthcare system where nurses have to wear garbage bags for PPE. The most expensive healthcare system in the world, bless our hearts.

We have the finest health care in the world.

Yes, we have a for-profit healthcare system. What other, say, three countries combined have created as many new life-extending or life-saving drugs, technology, and procedures as the United States in the past 50 years?

 

[Markle]

The fact is that Democrats want a successful economy just like everyone else. To dispute this just displays your extreme devotion to your Dear Leader.

That doesn't even make sense, which is typical for you.

IF the Democrats wanted a successful economy, why have they spent more than three years trying to destroy this one and impeach the very President who brought the successful economy?

 

[NotYourBody]

Yes, those doctors. The ones hand-picked by Trump to lead us through this crisis. The doctors who told us if we took these precautions, they would work. And guess what, they are working. How about that?

Our shitty for-profit healthcare system where nurses have to wear garbage bags for PPE. The most expensive healthcare system in the world, bless our hearts.

We have the finest health care in the world.

Yes, we have a for-profit healthcare system. What other, say, three countries combined have created as many new life-extending or life-saving drugs, technology, and procedures as the United States in the past 50 years?

Then why does our shitty for-profit healthcare system give us lower life expectancies and higher infant mortality than other first world countries who spend far less.

And we pay dearly for those drugs, that are sold to other countries for far less money. We are healthcare stupid in every way. We can't even manage to get wide-scale testing for a new virus.

We can't even elect a president who believes in science!

 

[2aguy]

Yes, those doctors. The ones hand-picked by Trump to lead us through this crisis. The doctors who told us if we took these precautions, they would work. And guess what, they are working. How about that?

Our shitty for-profit healthcare system where nurses have to wear garbage bags for PPE. The most expensive healthcare system in the world, bless our hearts.

We have the finest health care in the world.

Yes, we have a for-profit healthcare system. What other, say, three countries combined have created as many new life-extending or life-saving drugs, technology, and procedures as the United States in the past 50 years?

Then why does our shitty for-profit healthcare system give us lower life expectancies and higher infant mortality than other first world countries who spend far less.

And we pay dearly for those drugs, that are sold to other countries for far less money. We are healthcare stupid in every way. We can't even manage to get wide-scale testing for a new virus.

We can't even elect a president who believes in science!

That has been shown to be a lie over and over again on these threads....the European system records infant death differently than we do..........they count infant death differently.......also, we invent the drugs they use....they simply pay the few pennies to make the drug from our multi-billions of dollars of research and then they hold up our pharmacuetical companies who try to sell drugs in Europe....

Do you understand that their socialised medical systems are all failing and running out of money, doctors and nurses? Do you understand that?

Do you understand that if they had to actually pay for their own militaries...to keep Russia out of Europe, then their health care systems would have collapsed years ago.......

They exist like the millenial living in the basement of the United States...living off of our wealth, the sacrifice of our men and women in the millitary, our military budget, our research dollars in drugs and medical innovation...

Without us, they would still be bleeding people as a cure......

Why American infant mortality rates are so high

In the U.S., more than 23,000 American infants died in 2014, or about 6 for every 1,000 live births, putting us on par with countries like Serbia and Malaysia. Most other developed countries have lower rates. However, parsing out the data shows that the story is more complicated.

www.sciencedaily.com

Explaining the numbers

The first nuance is one of definition. Infant mortality is defined as the death of babies under the age of one year, but some of the differences between countries can be explained by a difference in how we count. Is a baby born weighing less than a pound and after only 21 weeks' gestation actually "born?" In some countries, the answer is no, and those births would be counted as stillbirths. In the United States, on the other hand, despite these premature babies' relatively low odds of survival, they would be considered born -- thus counting toward the country's infant mortality rates.

These premature births are the biggest factor in explaining the United States' high infant mortality rate. Pre-term births can have many different maternal causes, many of which -- such as high blood pressure, diabetes, Zika and other infections and age -- are not entirely within an expectant mother's control. Other factors, such as stress level, might be able to be managed, but are not entirely controllable. On the other hand, some controllable risk factors include the use of tobacco, alcohol, cocaine and other drugs.

 

[NotYourBody]

Easy too say, but what if that one death is you your child your parent, would that change the value?

Or what if your child was a front line healthcare worker who had to care for the fools who think jobs are more important than life? Would that change anything?

Who said jobs are more important than life? We are talking lives vs. lives....do you understand what a Great Depression means for the country and for the world? How many lives will be lost going forward vs. what is now proving likely to be a bad seasonal flu number? And yes....all the models are being pulled back.........look at the news......

Can you see the effects on 10s of millions of people who have no jobs, no money for a decade? Do you understand what that means for people dying from stress, suicide, alcohol and drug abuse?

I have relatives on the front lines of this too........so virtue signaling on your part has no weight.

So which one of those relatives are you willing to offer up as a sacrifice to the economy?

None, which of the millions going forward are you willing to sacrifice ....who will also die because everyone over reacted to a virus that will likely not be worse than the seasonal flu? Which of those people will you kill?

All of them if it saves my child.

Virtue signaling, lmao. There is nothing virtuous here. I dgaf about the economy right now. Not one single fuck. We haven't even reached the worst yet in this country. If some of your free-spending, non-saving relatives, friends, acquaintances, political allies, etc. can't make it for a COUPLE OF DAMN MONTHS then they can go ahead and die. And I guess the Trump economy just wasn't that great after all.

Then you are foolish..........when you have no job, no money, no place to live, no food............because of a virus scare that you have a 98% chance of surviving if you get it.........

Yes.......the truth comes out......let others die......crack those eggs to make that omelete............

Trump had nothing to do with this.....this is all on the democrat party and their people at the CDC and NIH...

As a reminder, I am not the one advocating to open up the economy when we haven't even reached the peak of the outbreak. YOU are the one making the omelette. You are the one anxious to let people die for the sake of money.

This is the TrumpVirus. 100%. He knew what was coming. He was told by Peter Navarro what was coming in January for fucks sake. He could have acted far sooner than he did to manage this crisis. Instead he abdicated. Fuck Trump and fuck his supporters for thinking he is smart enough to handle anything like this. He can't even put on his makeup properly.

I thank God I am in California. One of the states who took this shit seriously. Gov. Newsome slow walked this state of 40 million people, and the world's 5th largest economy into a shutdown. And it is working. We are not suffering as much as other states. So far.

In addition, California produces more food than any other state. I think we'll be okay. You on the other hand.....sucks for you.

You are deranged....you are insane...your Trump Derangement system has reached the terminally stupid stage and you can't be helped......

The survival rate for this chinese virus is over 98%....you moron.......the death rate from a Great Depression will kill more people than the virus will.....

Like I said before. People and businesses should have saved for an emergency. We've had the best economy in the world for several years. No reason people can't make it for a couple of months except for their own stupidity. And that is their own fault.

Don't cry at me because you didn't save any money.

If I, or my husband, get this virus we will die. My daughter is a carrier for my husband's disease, and she is at increased risk. So fuck your 98%.

In the end, we all look out for what is most important to us. For me that is the life of my family, not the economy and not your people.

 

[NotYourBody]

Yes, those doctors. The ones hand-picked by Trump to lead us through this crisis. The doctors who told us if we took these precautions, they would work. And guess what, they are working. How about that?

Our shitty for-profit healthcare system where nurses have to wear garbage bags for PPE. The most expensive healthcare system in the world, bless our hearts.

We have the finest health care in the world.

Yes, we have a for-profit healthcare system. What other, say, three countries combined have created as many new life-extending or life-saving drugs, technology, and procedures as the United States in the past 50 years?

Then why does our shitty for-profit healthcare system give us lower life expectancies and higher infant mortality than other first world countries who spend far less.

And we pay dearly for those drugs, that are sold to other countries for far less money. We are healthcare stupid in every way. We can't even manage to get wide-scale testing for a new virus.

We can't even elect a president who believes in science!

That has been shown to be a lie over and over again on these threads....the European system records infant death differently than we do..........they count infant death differently.......also, we invent the drugs they use....they simply pay the few pennies to make the drug from our multi-billions of dollars of research and then they hold up our pharmacuetical companies who try to sell drugs in Europe....

Do you understand that their socialised medical systems are all failing and running out of money, doctors and nurses? Do you understand that?

Do you understand that if they had to actually pay for their own militaries...to keep Russia out of Europe, then their health care systems would have collapsed years ago.......

They exist like the millenial living in the basement of the United States...living off of our wealth, the sacrifice of our men and women in the millitary, our military budget, our research dollars in drugs and medical innovation...

Without us, they would still be bleeding people as a cure......

Why American infant mortality rates are so high

In the U.S., more than 23,000 American infants died in 2014, or about 6 for every 1,000 live births, putting us on par with countries like Serbia and Malaysia. Most other developed countries have lower rates. However, parsing out the data shows that the story is more complicated.

www.sciencedaily.com

Explaining the numbers

The first nuance is one of definition. Infant mortality is defined as the death of babies under the age of one year, but some of the differences between countries can be explained by a difference in how we count. Is a baby born weighing less than a pound and after only 21 weeks' gestation actually "born?" In some countries, the answer is no, and those births would be counted as stillbirths. In the United States, on the other hand, despite these premature babies' relatively low odds of survival, they would be considered born -- thus counting toward the country's infant mortality rates.

These premature births are the biggest factor in explaining the United States' high infant mortality rate. Pre-term births can have many different maternal causes, many of which -- such as high blood pressure, diabetes, Zika and other infections and age -- are not entirely within an expectant mother's control. Other factors, such as stress level, might be able to be managed, but are not entirely controllable. On the other hand, some controllable risk factors include the use of tobacco, alcohol, cocaine and other drugs.

OK Boomer.

 

[Markle]

Then why does our shitty for-profit healthcare system give us lower life expectancies and higher infant mortality than other first world countries who spend far less.

And we pay dearly for those drugs, that are sold to other countries for far less money. We are healthcare stupid in every way. We can't even manage to get wide-scale testing for a new virus.

We can't even elect a president who believes in science!

Proud of your ignorance, aren't you?

Life Expectancy comparison

A major reason our country has a lower life expectancy than the countries you mention is because they are: "homogeneous nations". Those are nations made up of nearly 100% one race. Different races and nationalities have different life expectancies regardless of the health care they do or do not receive.

If you claim that this is racist, it simply proves your own racism and pigheaded refusal to face facts in order to reach solutions. Your choice.

The life expectancy in Norway at birth is 81.8 years. Until Muslim refugees started moving into the country, they are nearly 100% white Norwegians.

In Minnesota, a very large percentage of their population are Scandinavians. They also eat many of the foods from the Old Country. Their life expectancy is 81.05.

There are other reasons as well. We have far more vehicular fatalities than other countries.

###

Then there is your persistent, misconception about Infant Mortality Rate.

"The main factors affecting early infant survival are birth weight and prematurity. The way that these factors are reported — and how such babies are treated statistically — tells a different story than what the numbers reveal. Low birth weight infants are not counted against the “live birth” statistics for many countries reporting low infant mortality rates.

According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing less than 500 kg [sic; typo--read 500g] is not considered a living child.

But in the U.S., such very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such babies — considered “unsalvageable” outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive — is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. infant mortality statistics. Norway boasts one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world. But when the main determinant of mortality — weight at birth — is factored in, Norway has no better survival rates than the United States....

In the United States, all infants who show signs of life at birth (take a breath, move voluntarily, have a heartbeat) are considered alive.

If a child in Hong Kong or Japan is born alive but dies within the first 24 hours of birth, he or she is reported as a “miscarriage” and does not affect the country’s reported infant mortality rates....

Efforts to salvage these tiny babies reflect this classification. Since 2000, 42 of the world’s 52 surviving babies weighing less than 400g (0.9 lbs.) were born in the United States."

The Delaware Libertarian: The Infant Mortality Myth

Your TDS oozes from your every pour. "We can't even elect a president who believes in science!" That's just beyond silly!

 

[NotYourBody]

Then why does our shitty for-profit healthcare system give us lower life expectancies and higher infant mortality than other first world countries who spend far less.

And we pay dearly for those drugs, that are sold to other countries for far less money. We are healthcare stupid in every way. We can't even manage to get wide-scale testing for a new virus.

We can't even elect a president who believes in science!

Proud of your ignorance, aren't you?

Life Expectancy comparison

A major reason our country has a lower life expectancy than the countries you mention is because they are: "homogeneous nations". Those are nations made up of nearly 100% one race. Different races and nationalities have different life expectancies regardless of the health care they do or do not receive.

If you claim that this is racist, it simply proves your own racism and pigheaded refusal to face facts in order to reach solutions. Your choice.

The life expectancy in Norway at birth is 81.8 years. Until Muslim refugees started moving into the country, they are nearly 100% white Norwegians.

In Minnesota, a very large percentage of their population are Scandinavians. They also eat many of the foods from the Old Country. Their life expectancy is 81.05.

There are other reasons as well. We have far more vehicular fatalities than other countries.

###

Then there is your persistent, misconception about Infant Mortality Rate.

"The main factors affecting early infant survival are birth weight and prematurity. The way that these factors are reported — and how such babies are treated statistically — tells a different story than what the numbers reveal. Low birth weight infants are not counted against the “live birth” statistics for many countries reporting low infant mortality rates.

According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing less than 500 kg [sic; typo--read 500g] is not considered a living child.

But in the U.S., such very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such babies — considered “unsalvageable” outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive — is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. infant mortality statistics. Norway boasts one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world. But when the main determinant of mortality — weight at birth — is factored in, Norway has no better survival rates than the United States....

In the United States, all infants who show signs of life at birth (take a breath, move voluntarily, have a heartbeat) are considered alive.

If a child in Hong Kong or Japan is born alive but dies within the first 24 hours of birth, he or she is reported as a “miscarriage” and does not affect the country’s reported infant mortality rates....

Efforts to salvage these tiny babies reflect this classification. Since 2000, 42 of the world’s 52 surviving babies weighing less than 400g (0.9 lbs.) were born in the United States."

The Delaware Libertarian: The Infant Mortality Myth

Your TDS oozes from your every pour. "We can't even elect a president who believes in science!" That's just beyond silly!

We spend FAR MORE than other developed countries, and we have worse outcomes. You can spin that any way you want.

In addition, If you don't have company sponsored healthcare in this country, you are fucked. Even if you do, a significant illness or accident can bankrupt you. Many of you will learn what that pain feels like. This doesn't happen in other developed countries. They don't rely on GoFundMe to pay for medical procedures. We are incredibly, truly stupid.

Perhaps the correct phrase is that Trump does not understand science. He doesn't even know the difference between climate and weather. Grade school science. And we think he can lead us through a pandemic.

I do hate Trump with my every pore and some of my neighbor's pores as well. But I am not a Trump Dick Sucker. I notice on this board that title belongs mostly to old, crotchety, cranky white men who think we should all MAGA back to the 1950's. 70 years ago.