Is it wrong for Christian to preach at people who don't believe what they do?

[Marion Morrison]

There's nothing wrong with telling people the truth about the world, Jesus, The Bible, and how it is.

Actively campaigning for a church that isn't in tune with that is a different story.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Well Jesus said to teach everyone. So I don’t see a problem with it

No. Evangelicals SAY that is what Jesus said.

And people who don’t believe what you believe aren’t interested

Or may be, shillian.

I realize you go to Congregation Beth Shalom or whatever. Are you seriously having the Chutzpah to speak for all the Goy?

(Which you are not a part of) What business is it of yours?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Hey, everybody who's not Jewish. Did you vote for jillian to speak for you? I know I didn't.

 

[koshergrl]

My granddaughter in early college has unfortunately taken up with some fundamentalist group that is running a camp where they teach these very young college students of about age 18 to run around and bend peoples' ears about Jesus and God and on and on at length.

It seems to me the height of arrogance for young people even to think they HAVE something to teach older people. And of course it's boring and incoherent because they aren't old enough to have any clue what they believe.

The worst part is that she knows I don't want to hear that stuff -- I've told her -- but they push her to "witness" to everyone, me included, apparently. It seems wrong to me: unmannerly and just immoral behavior to push one's own religious beliefs aggressively on someone else. Especially an older relative.

Yeah, I know I have to do an assertiveness thing and tell her to stop and mean it and keep saying it till she does, or whatever happens. My responsibility is not to allow bad behavior. But it's too bad these adults running this smarmy outfit are promoting such bad and unfashionable behavior. She'll get nothing but rejection, IMO. They make money off this: I don't know who funded her for this camp, but it wasn't me.

Any opinions on this "witnessing" business, or advice?

Ha she's doing exactly what Christians are supposed to do.

We spread the gospel.

And being saved, she naturally wants you to be saved as well.

And Christianity has always been *unfashionable*. They used to feed Christians to the lions.

 

[koshergrl]

It sounds like your granddaughter is doing what her religion teaches. Is it polite in a society? Of course not. It's like discussing religion or politics at the dinner table. It's considered a no-no. But it sounds like she isn't some half-assed Christian who squelches her beliefs based on social norms. Maybe that's a good thing.

Sound like she loves her mom and her mom is a ***** to me.

 

[tinydancer]

Sounds like a cult.

I suspect that too. A fundamentalist Christian outfit of some kind. It's North Carolina.

Do you have a name? There really are many of us who would help you. My Jehovah's were wonderful that came by. They were good. When I went further, I walked away but I go on faith,

CityProject of Summit Church, North Carolina.

Ok let me see what I can find.

Can I say something? When I found faith, I was full of it. Oh heavens I was full of it. So while I will look, please be ready what she wants to do is share, but its more like an imposition.

All of a sudden though I found faith. Before you knew it I thought myself speaking with Martin Luther at the Pool baby.

Yup tinydancer found faith and I was going to speak with Martin Luther



because I believed.

You become so filled with the spirit...............wellllllllllllllllllllllllll........you go overboard.

Yeah, you may be right, she may have suddenly "found faith" --- away from a protective home in the dorm for the first time, need to find something. I bet you are right; I'll bear that in mind. And be mild. Thanx.

Be sweet. Always ask.

 

[koshergrl]

If you don’t want to hear the message you are free not to. But no one should be silenced

Oh, I agree, I wouldn't silence her generally, nor interfere with any beliefs she holds! She can believe anything she wants, and change-change-change as I have all these years and as she doubtless will also.

No, what I object to is the violation of personal boundaries. I guess this one is a spiritual boundary: I said don't preach at me, but she does it anyway, apparently because this dreadful cult thing is pushing her to do it. What do you think about people doing that? Isn't it a boundary violation?

It seems very sinister to me: they are going in a group to New York and Spain to "witness" to people I very much doubt want to do anything but make prostitutes out of these young girls. I hope they don't "witness" to Muslims and get blown up in Spain --- there's been a lot of that there.

You're going to choose hell over your own daughter and Christ.

Lovely.

And the Romans called Christians cultists. They likewise resented Christian witnessing.

Christians are going to do it anyway. She's doing it out of love, but the hateful and deceitful anti-Christians don't care.

And they turn on their own children because of it.

Circe ..the goddess of drugs...was killed by her son in law, then her daugher killed the son in law. That's an interesting handle and tells me a lot about you.

 

[tinydancer]

I suspect that too. A fundamentalist Christian outfit of some kind. It's North Carolina.

Do you have a name? There really are many of us who would help you. My Jehovah's were wonderful that came by. They were good. When I went further, I walked away but I go on faith,

CityProject of Summit Church, North Carolina.

Ok let me see what I can find.

Can I say something? When I found faith, I was full of it. Oh heavens I was full of it. So while I will look, please be ready what she wants to do is share, but its more like an imposition.

All of a sudden though I found faith. Before you knew it I thought myself speaking with Martin Luther at the Pool baby.

Yup tinydancer found faith and I was going to speak with Martin Luther



because I believed.

You become so filled with the spirit...............wellllllllllllllllllllllllll........you go overboard.

Yeah, you may be right, she may have suddenly "found faith" --- away from a protective home in the dorm for the first time, need to find something. I bet you are right; I'll bear that in mind. And be mild. Thanx.

My heart is from rock n roll. My heart is from faith. I am from the Word.

So don't piss me off. Lets look at your daughter. Geeze louze shes not ******* everyone out there buddy.

Whanna go from there?

 

[Indeependent]

My granddaughter in early college has unfortunately taken up with some fundamentalist group that is running a camp where they teach these very young college students of about age 18 to run around and bend peoples' ears about Jesus and God and on and on at length.

It seems to me the height of arrogance for young people even to think they HAVE something to teach older people. And of course it's boring and incoherent because they aren't old enough to have any clue what they believe.

The worst part is that she knows I don't want to hear that stuff -- I've told her -- but they push her to "witness" to everyone, me included, apparently. It seems wrong to me: unmannerly and just immoral behavior to push one's own religious beliefs aggressively on someone else. Especially an older relative.

Yeah, I know I have to do an assertiveness thing and tell her to stop and mean it and keep saying it till she does, or whatever happens. My responsibility is not to allow bad behavior. But it's too bad these adults running this smarmy outfit are promoting such bad and unfashionable behavior. She'll get nothing but rejection, IMO. They make money off this: I don't know who funded her for this camp, but it wasn't me.

Any opinions on this "witnessing" business, or advice?

The Gospel commands Christians to be obnoxious.

 

[tinydancer]

If you don’t want to hear the message you are free not to. But no one should be silenced

Oh, I agree, I wouldn't silence her generally, nor interfere with any beliefs she holds! She can believe anything she wants, and change-change-change as I have all these years and as she doubtless will also.

No, what I object to is the violation of personal boundaries. I guess this one is a spiritual boundary: I said don't preach at me, but she does it anyway, apparently because this dreadful cult thing is pushing her to do it. What do you think about people doing that? Isn't it a boundary violation?

It seems very sinister to me: they are going in a group to New York and Spain to "witness" to people I very much doubt want to do anything but make prostitutes out of these young girls. I hope they don't "witness" to Muslims and get blown up in Spain --- there's been a lot of that there.

You're going to choose hell over your own daughter and Christ.

Lovely.

And the Romans called Christians cultists. They likewise resented Christian witnessing.

Christians are going to do it anyway. She's doing it out of love, but the hateful and deceitful anti-Christians don't care.

And they turn on their own children because of it.

Circe ..the goddess of drugs...was killed by her son in law, then her daugher killed the son in law. That's an interesting handle and tells me a lot about you.

I thought the choice of name to be a challenge.

 

[Crepitus]

If you love the kid (and I'm sure you do) you need to shut that cultist crap down fast. Next thing you know she's gonna be locked into a group marriage with some 70 year old guy who rapes her occasionally after she works 16 hours a day and gives him all the proceeds.

Oh, Crepitus, tears started, just a little. You shot straight thru to my deepest fear. Not even the prostitution worry (these thin, slight 18-year-old girls from North Carolina are doing WHAT in New York? Witnessing, in the ghetto??), but the problem that religious types are the worst sex offenders: the Catholic priests (really, I agree it is IS organized crime at this point!! I mean, how many continents before even I see it?), and the televangelists, and all those minister types who run off with the choir directors. And the minister I am thinking of was an Episcopalian, for Heaven's sake! And the other one earlier, a young assistant minister with SIX children, was at my church, Methodist. Forget them: the emotional religion ones, the fundamentalist types, the whole world knows are into sex, sex, sex, and remember the scandals? Jimmy Swaggart, New Orleans prostitutes.

Okay, I'm also worried these bad people telling her to buttonhole strangers and push her Christian stuff onto them, will sex her up. Seduce and destroy her. Hey, it happens all the time.

However, that's not in a sense my business, I mean, life -- it includes rotten-guy sex, though I may tell her some stories along those lines if our correspondence continues............I mean, these religious guys, you know? It's not just priests, it's Protestants, it's Buddhists, some big guy Hindu in the news for sex abuse only last month, etc. Hey, these "ministers" are going out to God knows where-all with a whole bunch of 18-year-old girls. Do you see why I'm concerned??

Yeah, I bet you do.

I agree completely, and I'm glad you are aware of the problems. At the very least talk to her. Are her parents aware of the situation and the dangers?

 

[tinydancer]

My granddaughter in early college has unfortunately taken up with some fundamentalist group that is running a camp where they teach these very young college students of about age 18 to run around and bend peoples' ears about Jesus and God and on and on at length.

It seems to me the height of arrogance for young people even to think they HAVE something to teach older people. And of course it's boring and incoherent because they aren't old enough to have any clue what they believe.

The worst part is that she knows I don't want to hear that stuff -- I've told her -- but they push her to "witness" to everyone, me included, apparently. It seems wrong to me: unmannerly and just immoral behavior to push one's own religious beliefs aggressively on someone else. Especially an older relative.

Yeah, I know I have to do an assertiveness thing and tell her to stop and mean it and keep saying it till she does, or whatever happens. My responsibility is not to allow bad behavior. But it's too bad these adults running this smarmy outfit are promoting such bad and unfashionable behavior. She'll get nothing but rejection, IMO. They make money off this: I don't know who funded her for this camp, but it wasn't me.

Any opinions on this "witnessing" business, or advice?

The Gospel commands Christians to be obnoxious.

I'm still looking on where I get to throw ******* Bodecea off a roof top buddy.

 

[westwall]

My granddaughter in early college has unfortunately taken up with some fundamentalist group that is running a camp where they teach these very young college students of about age 18 to run around and bend peoples' ears about Jesus and God and on and on at length.

It seems to me the height of arrogance for young people even to think they HAVE something to teach older people. And of course it's boring and incoherent because they aren't old enough to have any clue what they believe.

The worst part is that she knows I don't want to hear that stuff -- I've told her -- but they push her to "witness" to everyone, me included, apparently. It seems wrong to me: unmannerly and just immoral behavior to push one's own religious beliefs aggressively on someone else. Especially an older relative.

Yeah, I know I have to do an assertiveness thing and tell her to stop and mean it and keep saying it till she does, or whatever happens. My responsibility is not to allow bad behavior. But it's too bad these adults running this smarmy outfit are promoting such bad and unfashionable behavior. She'll get nothing but rejection, IMO. They make money off this: I don't know who funded her for this camp, but it wasn't me.

Any opinions on this "witnessing" business, or advice?

Of course it is. Just like it is idiotic to let climate change high priests tell us to live frugal lives while they jet set all over the globe to their fancy parties.

 

[koshergrl]

Well Jesus said to teach everyone. So I don’t see a problem with it

No. Evangelicals SAY that is what Jesus said.

And people who don’t believe what you believe aren’t interested

Mark 16:15-16
And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

 

[koshergrl]

Matthew 28:18-20
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Philemon 1:6
And I pray that the sharing of your faith may become effective for the full knowledge of every good thing that is in us for the sake of Christ.

 

[koshergrl]

My granddaughter in early college has unfortunately taken up with some fundamentalist group that is running a camp where they teach these very young college students of about age 18 to run around and bend peoples' ears about Jesus and God and on and on at length.

It seems to me the height of arrogance for young people even to think they HAVE something to teach older people. And of course it's boring and incoherent because they aren't old enough to have any clue what they believe.

The worst part is that she knows I don't want to hear that stuff -- I've told her -- but they push her to "witness" to everyone, me included, apparently. It seems wrong to me: unmannerly and just immoral behavior to push one's own religious beliefs aggressively on someone else. Especially an older relative.

Yeah, I know I have to do an assertiveness thing and tell her to stop and mean it and keep saying it till she does, or whatever happens. My responsibility is not to allow bad behavior. But it's too bad these adults running this smarmy outfit are promoting such bad and unfashionable behavior. She'll get nothing but rejection, IMO. They make money off this: I don't know who funded her for this camp, but it wasn't me.

Any opinions on this "witnessing" business, or advice?

The Gospel commands Christians to be obnoxious.

The Gospel tells us that the unsaved will jeer, make fun of us, consider us strange.

Matthew 5:11-12
“Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

 

[koshergrl]

If you don’t want to hear the message you are free not to. But no one should be silenced

Oh, I agree, I wouldn't silence her generally, nor interfere with any beliefs she holds! She can believe anything she wants, and change-change-change as I have all these years and as she doubtless will also.

No, what I object to is the violation of personal boundaries. I guess this one is a spiritual boundary: I said don't preach at me, but she does it anyway, apparently because this dreadful cult thing is pushing her to do it. What do you think about people doing that? Isn't it a boundary violation?

It seems very sinister to me: they are going in a group to New York and Spain to "witness" to people I very much doubt want to do anything but make prostitutes out of these young girls. I hope they don't "witness" to Muslims and get blown up in Spain --- there's been a lot of that there.

You're going to choose hell over your own daughter and Christ.

Lovely.

And the Romans called Christians cultists. They likewise resented Christian witnessing.

Christians are going to do it anyway. She's doing it out of love, but the hateful and deceitful anti-Christians don't care.

And they turn on their own children because of it.

Circe ..the goddess of drugs...was killed by her son in law, then her daugher killed the son in law. That's an interesting handle and tells me a lot about you.

I thought the choice of name to be a challenge.

Her daughter is rejecting her example. Is it any wonder she's thrown in with someone who stands adamantly opposite to that which her mom embraces?

 

[Manonthestreet]

My granddaughter in early college has unfortunately taken up with some fundamentalist group that is running a camp where they teach these very young college students of about age 18 to run around and bend peoples' ears about Jesus and God and on and on at length.

It seems to me the height of arrogance for young people even to think they HAVE something to teach older people. And of course it's boring and incoherent because they aren't old enough to have any clue what they believe.

The worst part is that she knows I don't want to hear that stuff -- I've told her -- but they push her to "witness" to everyone, me included, apparently. It seems wrong to me: unmannerly and just immoral behavior to push one's own religious beliefs aggressively on someone else. Especially an older relative.

Yeah, I know I have to do an assertiveness thing and tell her to stop and mean it and keep saying it till she does, or whatever happens. My responsibility is not to allow bad behavior. But it's too bad these adults running this smarmy outfit are promoting such bad and unfashionable behavior. She'll get nothing but rejection, IMO. They make money off this: I don't know who funded her for this camp, but it wasn't me.

Any opinions on this "witnessing" business, or advice?

but we should listen to HS kids on gun control

 

[Avatar4321]

My granddaughter in early college has unfortunately taken up with some fundamentalist group that is running a camp where they teach these very young college students of about age 18 to run around and bend peoples' ears about Jesus and God and on and on at length.

It seems to me the height of arrogance for young people even to think they HAVE something to teach older people. And of course it's boring and incoherent because they aren't old enough to have any clue what they believe.

The worst part is that she knows I don't want to hear that stuff -- I've told her -- but they push her to "witness" to everyone, me included, apparently. It seems wrong to me: unmannerly and just immoral behavior to push one's own religious beliefs aggressively on someone else. Especially an older relative.

Yeah, I know I have to do an assertiveness thing and tell her to stop and mean it and keep saying it till she does, or whatever happens. My responsibility is not to allow bad behavior. But it's too bad these adults running this smarmy outfit are promoting such bad and unfashionable behavior. She'll get nothing but rejection, IMO. They make money off this: I don't know who funded her for this camp, but it wasn't me.

Any opinions on this "witnessing" business, or advice?

The Gospel commands Christians to be obnoxious.

No it doesnt

 

[tinydancer]

My granddaughter in early college has unfortunately taken up with some fundamentalist group that is running a camp where they teach these very young college students of about age 18 to run around and bend peoples' ears about Jesus and God and on and on at length.

It seems to me the height of arrogance for young people even to think they HAVE something to teach older people. And of course it's boring and incoherent because they aren't old enough to have any clue what they believe.

The worst part is that she knows I don't want to hear that stuff -- I've told her -- but they push her to "witness" to everyone, me included, apparently. It seems wrong to me: unmannerly and just immoral behavior to push one's own religious beliefs aggressively on someone else. Especially an older relative.

Yeah, I know I have to do an assertiveness thing and tell her to stop and mean it and keep saying it till she does, or whatever happens. My responsibility is not to allow bad behavior. But it's too bad these adults running this smarmy outfit are promoting such bad and unfashionable behavior. She'll get nothing but rejection, IMO. They make money off this: I don't know who funded her for this camp, but it wasn't me.

Any opinions on this "witnessing" business, or advice?

The Gospel commands Christians to be obnoxious.

Really? Lying mother ****** go for it/