Is it time to re_evaluate the Nazi invasion of Poland ?

[Eman623]

I think its time to rethink this.
Facts
1. Germany was clearly invervening in its own hemisphere.
2. Poland was clearly a weaker country that didnt deserve to exist.

I think that in retrospect Hitler would have been reniss in leaving it unliberated.

Invasion of Poland - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why are you focusing on Germany? The Nazis only took half of Poland and they were forced to give it back.

The Soviets took the other half and kept it, moving Poland 200 km to the west after WWII. They still own that land to this day.

 

[zaangalewa]

Other reason:

Poland was given large parts of Germany in 1919

And Poland persecuted and killed many Germans there

What is fundamentally wrong with that? After all, the fact that Poles lived “in Germany” was a consequence of Prussia's oppression of Poland on its territory 123 years before Poland was reestablished.

By the way, just for general understanding regarding Nazi racism: Poles were considered Aryans.

 

[zaangalewa]

No

What means "no"?

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On January 3, 1795, Catherine II and the Habsburg ruler Francis I signed the partition treaty, which the King of Prussia joined on October 24. According to this treaty, the three states divided the remaining parts of Poland along the rivers Memel, Bug, and Pilica.

Russia advanced further west and occupied all territories east of the Bug and Memel rivers, Lithuania, and all of Courland and Semigallia. With the partitions, Russia had shifted its borders 600 to 800 kilometers westward within 23 years (1772–1795), thereby significantly reducing the distance to the most important centers of European politics.

The Habsburg sphere of influence expanded northwards to include Western Galicia with the important cities of Lublin, Radom, Sandomierz, and, in particular, Krakow.

Prussia received the territories west of the Bug and Memel rivers, including Warsaw, which subsequently became part of the new province of New Prussia, as well as New Silesia, located north of Krakow.
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Source: Teilungen Polens – Wikipedia
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[Zebra]

No means no

 

[zaangalewa]

No means no

Lack of brain? Polish territory had been occupied from Russia, Prussia and Austria-Hungary. So where from to take the territory when Poland was reestablished?

 

[Deadstick]

Nur um's Dir mal zu erklären, was da wirklich passiert ist: Josef Goebbels, seines Zeichens ein unglaublich intelligentes Werbegenie, der seine Persönlichkeit und sein Leben Adolf Hitler in absolut höriger Weise unterordnete, hat diese Propagandaveranstaltung der Nazis im Sportpalast Berlin inszeniert. Einige wenige hundert oder tausdend Nazis spielten in dieser akustischen Inszenierung "das Volk" und wurden über Schautafeln instruiert wie sie zu reagieren hatten. Die ganze Propagandarede Goebbels endete mit den berühmten Worten "Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?" und dem aufbrandenden Jubel seiner Statisten. Wer diese ganze damals übliche Schreierei eher nüchtern betrachtete konnte aus der ganzen Inszenierung eigentlich nur einen Schluß ziehen: "Da läuft's jetzt wohl gehörig schief an der Front."
Übrigens machst Du Dich selbst in diesem Zusammenhang zu einem rassistiscen Nazi (deren Antisemitismus und Rassismus vermutlich ohnehin überwiegend aus der Englischsprachigen Welt stammte), weil Du die von "Dir" millionenfach ermordeten Deutschen deswegen ermordetest weil Du Dich Gobbels gleichsetzt.

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Just to explain to you what really happened: Josef Goebbels, an incredibly intelligent advertising genius who subordinated his personality and his life to Adolf Hitler in an absolutely subservient manner, staged this Nazi propaganda event in the Berlin Sportpalast. A few hundred or thousand Nazis played “the people” in this acoustic production and were instructed on how to react via display boards. Goebbels' entire propaganda speech ended with the famous words “Do you want total war?” and the erupting cheers of his extras. Anyone who took a sober view of all this shouting, which was common at the time, could only draw one conclusion from the whole production: “Things must be going really badly at the front.”

Incidentally, in this context, you are making yourself a racist Nazi (whose anti-Semitism and racism probably originated predominantly in the English-speaking world anyway) because you murdered the millions of Germans murdered by “you” because you equate yourself with Goebbels.

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This Sportpalast speech had happened 82 years ago. Nazi Germany itself only lasted 12 years. The people back then had just 1/7 of the time available to you now to switch on your brain and really learn something from history. And they were under far greater stress than you have ever experienced at any stage of your life.

What are you barking about?

 

[Litwin]

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why are you focusing on Germany? The Nazis only took half of Poland and they were forced to give it back.

The Soviets took the other half and kept it, moving Poland 200 km to the west after WWII. They still own that land to this day.

I think we need to re evaluste the nazi actions. The clue is in the thread title.. Might is now right. Old timers used to be deluded on this.
Granted there was a little unpleasentness. But you cant make an omlette

 

[Eman623]

I think we need to re evaluste the nazi actions.

Why them and not the Soviet actions? They invaded Poland simultaneously with the Nazis.

The clue is in the thread title.. Might is now right. Old timers used to be deluded on this.

You are deluded on this.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why them and not the Soviet actions? They invaded Poland simultaneously with the Nazis.


You are deluded on this.

Why do you belittle the holocaust ?

 

[Zincwarrior]

I think its time to rethink this.
Facts
1. Germany was clearly invervening in its own hemisphere.
2. Poland was clearly a weaker country that didnt deserve to exist.

I think that in retrospect Hitler would have been reniss in leaving it unliberated.

Invasion of Poland - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not funny.

The irony is that Poland is rapidly building the strongest land army in Europe to protect itself from Putin. 1,500 new gen MBTs. They are not ******* around.

 

[Eman623]

Why do you belittle the holocaust ?

I'm not. Why are you kneepadding for Stalin?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Not funny.

The irony is that Poland is rapidly building the strongest land army in Europe to protect itself from Putin. 1,500 new gen MBTs. They are not ******* around.

In the trump world order Poland is part of the putin sphere of influence. They need to make their peace with him.

 

[Zincwarrior]

In the trump world order Poland is part of the putin sphere of influence. They need to make their peace with him.

So is the UK.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

So is the UK.

I think we are in with China now.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I'm not. Why are you kneepadding for Stalin?

Stalin is dead. Putin owns trump so thats as it should be.

 

[Eman623]

Stalin is dead. Putin owns trump so thats as it should be.

So are the Nazis.

Trump owns you and lives rent free in your head

 

[zaangalewa]

What are you barking about?

To your ignorance, Germanic Briton. What you also don't know: “You” attacked British colonialism when you attacked the British and Prussian Emperor William II over Germany. All his ideas had been British ideas. The woman he loved most was his grandmother Queen Victoria, who had raised him. His ideas on colonialism were British, and “Germany rules the waves” was also British. During World War I, his court was very interested in preserving the “emperor's toys” (the fleet) rather than using them seriously.

The problem with you Brits and US-Americans is that you believe that once you have verbally condemned someone, you are angels who can commit international crimes without consequences. So I'm not really surprised when you fall for your own narratives rather than trying to see what is really going on and what is wrong.

 

[Deadstick]

To your ignorance, Germanic Briton. What you also don't know: “You” attacked British colonialism when you attacked the British and Prussian Emperor William II over Germany. All his ideas had been British ideas. The woman he loved most was his grandmother Queen Victoria, who had raised him. His ideas on colonialism were British, and “Germany rules the waves” was also British. During World War I, his court was very interested in preserving the “emperor's toys” (the fleet) rather than using them seriously.

The problem with you Brits and US-Americans is that you believe that once you have verbally condemned someone, you are angels who can commit international crimes without consequences. So I'm not really surprised when you fall for your own narratives rather than trying to see what is really going on and what is wrong.

I am well aware of British Imperial and Colonial history and it isn't pretty, don't mistake me for someone who is proud of it, as for the first world war it was a family argument between the Royals of Europe and it cost millions of lives, like European Colonialism European Countries fighting over other peoples Countries and resources, and that included German Colonialism.

 

[zaangalewa]

I am well aware of British Imperial and Colonial history

Really? Some years ago I heard British schools wasted more time with Nazi-Germany than you learned something about the British empire and British colonialism.

and it isn't pretty,

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don't mistake me for someone who is proud of it,

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as for the first world war it was a family argument between the Royals of Europe and it cost millions of lives, like European Colonialism European Countries fighting over other peoples Countries and resources, and that included German Colonialism.

No. Very concrete: Germany never had been a colonial power. The German colonialism from 1884-1914 was a pure "Victorian" nonsense made from the Prussians under influence of Queen Victoria.

By the way: I don't believe that the British Empire was only bad. It was also great in many ways and contributed a lot to the world.

But Germany ? The Holy Roman empire of German nation never had been an "empire" - the German word "Reich" means "realm". Holy -> basing on Christian values; Roman -> basing on the rule of law; empire -> realm; of German -> united; nation -> unity in diversity.