Zone1 Is it time to re_evaluate the conduct of ordinary Germans during the holocaust and the rise of nazis ?

[Leo123]

I dont mean the nazis need to be looked at again. I mean the ordinary German. They have often been castigated for knowing enough to put a stop to fascism. They must have known about the concentration camps and did nothing. They kept their heads down and stayed silent.

But is that a fair assessment ?

Maybe we should look at their behaviour again.

We are seeing the rise of fascism in the US. Its happening as we speak. And the american people are complicit in its rise.

Politicians. judges and unions are passive in their opposition as a few oligarchs use their wealth to support their man. Law breaking is now the law.

Vast swathes of the US are being turned into police states as people are being rounded up and sent to a terror camp without trial. Trans people are being cancelled from public life and the constitution is being assaulted every day by a fraudster who is trying to see how far he can get without pushback.

Thiss is how it started in Nazi Germany. Where are the grown ups fighting for the US ?
He has purged his own party and it now consists of weak sycophants. They will not say a peep. Similarly he owns the corrupt judges who waive thru his edicts.

Trump is rebuilding a pre civil rights society without opposition. So should we cut Germany some slack and accept that they were no worse than anyone else ?

The evidence is they were just the same as everyone else.

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Bullshit, as usual.

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

Isn't Fascism when you use the FBI as your Secret Police, censor Free Speech, and persecute your political opponents?

Who censored free speech? After all you're allowed to talk stupid on here

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

This the only major protest during the nazi regime which took place in February and March of 1943.

The Rosenstrasse protest is considered to be a significant event in German history as it is the only mass public demonstration by Germans in the Third Reich against the deportation of Jews.The protest on Rosenstraße ("Roses street") took place in Berlin during February and March 1943. This demonstration was initiated and sustained by the non-Jewish wives and relatives of Jewish men and Mischlinge, (those of mixed Jewish and Aryan heritage). Their husbands had been targeted for deportation, based on the racial policy of Nazi Germany, and detained in the Jewish community house on Rosenstrasse. The protests, which occurred over the course of seven days, continued until the men being held were released by the Gestapo. The protest by the women of the Rosenstrasse led to the release of approximately 1,800 Berlin Jews.

Rosenstrasse protest - Wikipedia

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[CrusaderFrank]

Who censored free speech? After all you're allowed to talk stupid on here

According to Zuckerberg, the FBI ordered him to censor Free Speech, or you won't mind if Kash Patel deplatforms Progressive lunatics?

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

According to Zuckerberg, the FBI ordered him to censor Free Speech, or you won't mind if Kash Patel deplatforms Progressive lunatics?

I know and next the richest man in the world elon will be paying the same taxes as the ordinary American and the Republicans here are cheering for it. Talk about stupid.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Herr Field Marshal Tainant and his loon Lefties try to convince us that the nation of Israel are now the Nazis conducing mass genocide against Palestinians while they sing "Gas the Jews" on Left wing college campuses around the world.

At least he still recognizes that his National Socialist cousin is still evil, but ironically would be considered a hero today if he murdered all the Zionists in Israel today.

What a sick twisted mental state these people operate in every day.

It is impressive.

Sounds like he’s talking about Keir Starmer’s Britain, where you are put in prison for saying “something”.

Not much better in Germany, where the police make dawn raids on your home, so they can seize your mobile phone to see all your data.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

“Ordinary Germans” were Nazis. People who were courteous and polite, who wouldn’t hurt a fly. Sweet little old ladies who craved discipline and ordnung in their daily lives.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I know and next the richest man in the world elon will be paying the same taxes as the ordinary American and the Republicans here are cheering for it. Talk about stupid.

That’s both astute AND on point!

Your critical thinking skills are in a league of their own

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

That’s both astute AND on point!

Your critical thinking skills are in a league of their own

I wish.

 

[Papageorgio]

I dont mean the nazis need to be looked at again. I mean the ordinary German. They have often been castigated for knowing enough to put a stop to fascism. They must have known about the concentration camps and did nothing. They kept their heads down and stayed silent.

But is that a fair assessment ?

Maybe we should look at their behaviour again.

We are seeing the rise of fascism in the US. Its happening as we speak. And the american people are complicit in its rise.

Politicians. judges and unions are passive in their opposition as a few oligarchs use their wealth to support their man. Law breaking is now the law.

Vast swathes of the US are being turned into police states as people are being rounded up and sent to a terror camp without trial. Trans people are being cancelled from public life and the constitution is being assaulted every day by a fraudster who is trying to see how far he can get without pushback.

Thiss is how it started in Nazi Germany. Where are the grown ups fighting for the US ?
He has purged his own party and it now consists of weak sycophants. They will not say a peep. Similarly he owns the corrupt judges who waive thru his edicts.

Trump is rebuilding a pre civil rights society without opposition. So should we cut Germany some slack and accept that they were no worse than anyone else ?

The evidence is they were just the same as everyone else.

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I still see transgender people everyday. What terror camps are you talking about? I do remember not long ago that the government would take your job away if you refused to vaccinate, they also coerced social media to censor you if your views were no aligned with the government, more fascism.

Sorry disagreeing with your government is a right in my country. Government’s first responsibility is toward its citizens not people in the country illegally.

The left went along with the fascism, now they are out of power and they cry and pretend the other side is guilty of what they did.

 

[JoeB131]

I dont mean the nazis need to be looked at again. I mean the ordinary German. They have often been castigated for knowing enough to put a stop to fascism. They must have known about the concentration camps and did nothing. They kept their heads down and stayed silent.

But is that a fair assessment ?

Maybe we should look at their behaviour again.

We are seeing the rise of fascism in the US. Its happening as we speak. And the american people are complicit in its rise.

Politicians. judges and unions are passive in their opposition as a few oligarchs use their wealth to support their man. Law breaking is now the law.

Vast swathes of the US are being turned into police states as people are being rounded up and sent to a terror camp without trial. Trans people are being cancelled from public life and the constitution is being assaulted every day by a fraudster who is trying to see how far he can get without pushback.

Thiss is how it started in Nazi Germany. Where are the grown ups fighting for the US ?
He has purged his own party and it now consists of weak sycophants. They will not say a peep. Similarly he owns the corrupt judges who waive thru his edicts.

Trump is rebuilding a pre civil rights society without opposition. So should we cut Germany some slack and accept that they were no worse than anyone else ?

The evidence is they were just the same as everyone else.

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An interesting discussion.

I think what is lost on most Americans is how bad the period between 1919 and 1939 was. Mass starvation, riots in the streets, humiliation on the world stage. Germans turned to Hitler because they were desperate.

All it takes for Americans to give up their rights is apparently paying too much for eggs.

 

[JoeB131]

I still see transgender people everyday. What terror camps are you talking about? I do remember not long ago that the government would take your job away if you refused to vaccinate, they also coerced social media to censor you if your views were no aligned with the government, more fascism.

Really, when did this happen? I saw just as many wingnuts spreading misinformation and hate during recent years as ever. If anything, it's gotten worse.

 

[JoeB131]

According to Zuckerberg, the FBI ordered him to censor Free Speech, or you won't mind if Kash Patel deplatforms Progressive lunatics?

No, they asked him to not spread Covid misinformation.

Which he was fine with at the time.

 

[0311]

I think it started aa long time before that and continues today in the west bank where terrorists are stealing land.

What about these german civiliaans though ?

Hitler held such sway of the German People it was beyond belief. There was a very active underground in Germany though.

Most Germans worked at keeping their heads down. They lived in fear of the Geheime Staatspolizei, (Gestapo) and the Schutstaffel (SS).

When a population fear's the state security organizations, they are more easily controlled.

 

[JoeB131]

The Muslim savages should not have started it all by invading a Kibbutz on the morning of a Jewish holiday and torturing Jewish men, women, children, toddlers, and babies to death - and then calling their mothers to brag about it.

I'm sure the children being murdered by the Zionists didn't do that.

So if you are arguing that all Palestinians should be held accountable for what a few did, shouldn't that also apply to all Jews?

 

[JoeB131]

Decades ago, scientists ran an experiment in which people of various ethnicities and nationalities were pressured to kill an innocent person by pushing a button they would kill him. (Of course it was fake. The button did nothing, but they didn’t know that.)

Guess which nationality most caved to the order to kill an innocent person? Germans.

Do you have an actual link to this?

I suspect you are misunderstanding this study... no word about "Germans" in it.

Milgram experiment - Wikipedia

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[JoeB131]

How odd - a poster who is devoted to those whose number one priority in life is to kill Jews is now posturing about imaginary Nazis.

Man, there is cognitive dissonance, and then there is Tammy.

When did Tommy say he ever wanted to kill the Jews?

Or do you think anything other than slavish devotion to Israel is wanting to kill the Jews?

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Really, when did this happen? I saw just as many wingnuts spreading misinformation and hate during recent years as ever. If anything, it's gotten worse.

Like you and your grumpy posts.

 

[Dismantle this Country]

Decades ago, scientists ran an experiment in which people of various ethnicities and nationalities were pressured to kill an innocent person by pushing a button they would kill him. (Of course it was fake. The button did nothing, but they didn’t know that.)

Guess which nationality most caved to the order to kill an innocent person? Germans.

LMAO. Is this you being your totally disingenuous self again? Or, are you really this uneducated?

The Milgram experiment did not document the subjects' ethnicity or nationality.

I suspect you just made this up because you make up all kinds of things like this.

 

[Dismantle this Country]

Do you have an actual link to this?

I suspect you are misunderstanding this study... no word about "Germans" in it.

Milgram experiment - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No, Lisa does not have a link. She is uneducated. She made this up because ignorant people often think they can get away with such things.