Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?

[rylah]

We're pretty much at the forefront of the 21st century.

"forefront"?

Barbarians have no place in the 21st century fool!

"Barbarians have no place in the 21st century fool!"

Wonder what it means regarding your Jihadi heroes in Gaza?

No. They don’t.

We do not have an attitude about Muslims.

Islam is self explanatory:

Submit or die.

Jews spent 1300 years under Islamic control. They know very well what groups of Muslims like the ones in Gaza want from Jews:

"Drop dead".

It has never been the same about Jews towards the Muslims, whoever they may be, which over a Million Muslims living in Israel, and Zero living in most Muslim countries goes to show.

If Jews/Israel felt the same way as the other side does, there would be ZERO food, medicine, etc going into Gaza. Zero.

Because that is exactly what Hamas, Jordan and others would have done. Actually tried to do during the war in 1948 and did between 1920 and 1948.

Israel allows all religions to go to the Temple Mount. The Muslims only allowed some Muslims to go to the Temple Mount between 1948 and 1967.

Facts are important. They do not change.


There is no way to compare what Muslims have done and continue to do in order to take away Israel from the Jews, and all that Israel has done to make Muslim's lives better.

Who in their right mind allows the enemy into their country for jobs, health care and education?

Israel does.

There is no going into Gaza and Areas A and B for Jews. They get killed at first site.

Muslims get jobs, etc in Israel.

Jews get kidnappeed, murdered in Gaza and Areas A and B, if they ever enter by mistake.


Enough of this endless attempt at comparison between Muslims and Jews.

This an example of exactly what I mean, stopping Hate is a two way street. It means confronting the distortions, false memes and mischarecterizations of the other.

Arab Israeli’s suffer discrimination when it comes to getting jobs in Israel by the way.

Coyote, would you please clarify what you see as distortions, false memes and mischaracterizations in this post? In particular, please point out what you see as capital H Hate.

Compared to, say something like this: Israel is actively trying to destroy all the Palestinians in Gaza and you're trying to act like Israel is the one being attacked.

The first three lines of the post I responded to.

There is plenty of hate going around and it certainly isn’t one sided in USMB. Folks either ignore or agree when it targets the minority they hate.

With all due respect, you generalize everything and deal with nothing.

Which is the problem I keep seeing in too many posters.

They cannot detail what the issues are.

You seem to keep saying that Israel and the Jews hate the Arab Palestinians.

Let me give you a quote from Golda Meir:

“We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”

You are generalizing about Muslims and you say I generalize everything?

Let me just put another perspective out there, for the sake of balance.

What many Jews in Israel are witnessing is that Arab - Jewish relations, not the ones in the news but in everyday life, tend to be much easier and respectful when Jews come from a place of heritage, and do not tend to be shy about it.
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There's a story about Rabbi Mordechai Elyahu told by his son, Rabbi Mordechai lived all his life among Arabs in Jerusalem.

When IDF captured the Cave of the Machpelah they also sent Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu to enter with them. There were many commanders, and apparently also Rabin, Motta Gur and other prominent soldiers.
In short, they enter the cave, and there's a sheikh in the Cave who had a room there.
He runs of the room and begins to shout at them:
"You do not respect the place! How dare you come in like that with your shoes and all your dirt?
We Arabs have been here for twenty years and never entered with shoes."

And all the commanders lowered their heads.
So Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu told him - "Listen" ,he told him in Arabic, "wuallaq You are the sons of the maidservants - if you enter the king with dirt, He'll take your head off. But if his son enters the room in the middle of an important meeting, even if he enters with dirt, the King will not take care of him?"

The sheikh was nervous at first
And the commanders scolded Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu and told him "How do you talk to him? We want to live with them in peace". And Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu answered them - "I grew up all my life with Arabs, that's the only way they understand, there is nothing else"
After a few minutes the sheikh came and said to him, "Ya sidi (respected) ya hakim (wise) You are right".

Rapport is easier to create by mirroring, Jews have their own bag of experience speaking the language of Arabia. And if You listen to Arabic, it's very decisive, categorical and spoken with energy, on high tones. One can't examine the language of Israel towards Arabs by only looking at the conversation with PLO and Hamas, especially not when half of the Arab world actively turning towards Israel. But one can see the language used by Palestinians towards their Arab brothers in Egypt and elsewhere, it's extortions and demands for mass suicides. The irony is that Arabs are now turning towards Israel and away from Palestinian fractions.

The new perspective is Israel can cooperate with Arabs and they both look towards it. But neither Arabs nor Israel need any Jihadis to put sticks in their wheels. The notion that Hamas or PLO represent "Arab Honor", while joining Iran- has deeply hurt Palestinian relations with their Arab brothers.

 

[Linkiloo]

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If only they would behave themselves in Gaza, the Israelites would welcome them with open arms and make them citizens and they could have health ins, clean water and sewage plant, schools, etc. just like the west bank residents do.

Yeah the day before the embassy was relocated there had been no terrorism known in Israel.

Considering the ZIONISTS ARE A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION...you must be JOKING

Soundbites. fact remains if Jews were trying to kill Gazians, you'd think Gazians wouldn't be increasing in population or in obesity.

 

[theliq]

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If only they would behave themselves in Gaza, the Israelites would welcome them with open arms and make them citizens and they could have health ins, clean water and sewage plant, schools, etc. just like the west bank residents do.

Yeah the day before the embassy was relocated there had been no terrorism known in Israel.

Considering the ZIONISTS ARE A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION...you must be JOKING

Soundbites. fact remains if Jews were trying to kill Gazians, you'd think Gazians wouldn't be increasing in population or in obesity.

WHAT RELEVENCE ARE YOU MUTTERING...YOU ARE OFF SUBJECT...but thank you for your post ACTUALLY...but to follow your lead I do agree with you Linkiloo, Zionist converts and Jews,have major health issues,Obesity,Eyes,requiring Body parts etc., AND LIKE THE PALESTINIANS ...TOTAL STRESS LIVING IN THIS ENVIOROMENT sic and Mental Issues for both sides must be HORRENDOUS,time for both sides to have respect for each other and PEACE...steve

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Is it possible for Israel to offer some carrots here? In the form of clean water, improved medical care, economic trade?

No. That is like buying a purse for a spouse with two black eyes. You are dealing with people (Muslims) who speak about the Crusades like last week's football match.

Well some of the Crusaders were CANNIBALS...you need to read up on history of this area

Great non-sequitur, rimjob.

 

[Coyote]

The first three lines of the post I responded to.

There is plenty of hate going around and it certainly isn’t one sided in USMB. Folks either ignore or agree when it targets the minority they hate.

These?

Islam is self explanatory: Submit or die.

Alright. I hear what you are saying. Although I will add that is a comment about a religious idea and not about a people. That may or may not matter in terms of identifying hate. I see hate speech as attacking peoples (as a collective) and not about commenting on people's (often mistaken) interpretation of another religion.

If read through the posts, most don’t make a distinction between the religion and the followers. That is hate speech imo, but also spread untruths. Submit or die speaks of what people think Islam is and what they think Muslims do or will do (ie you can’t trust them).

 

[Coyote]

This thread is full of hateful gems. All you need is to bring up Jews or Muslims to bring in the scavengers spouting their memes and canards. But you are wrong if you think it is only directed at Jews, there is plenty directed at Muslims, not terrorists but the group as a whole. The only difference is that it is considered acceptable by many. Few speak out. Do you want to see a truly disgusting example? Myanmar Is Starving Rohingya Muslims Out of Their Villages: Reports

We need to confront hate, not normalize it.

I agree we need to confront hate. I'm pretty sure I've never claimed that hate is only directed toward Jews. And I'm also sure I've mentioned that the I/P board is the only one I read on USMB. On the I/P board there is virtually no reference to Muslims collectively. Especially not from the regular posters.


Btw, that link dropped me into the middle of a 90 page thread. Was there something specific you wanted me to see?

I forget you stick to IP, but the thread is chock full of justifications for killing or abusing the Rohinga because they Muslim and some of it is from regulars here. You find less of it here (as well as fewer topics attacking Jews collectively) because we keep the focus on Israel and Palestinian (though those still get used as proxies for Jew and Muslim).

 

[P F Tinmore]

This thread is full of hateful gems. All you need is to bring up Jews or Muslims to bring in the scavengers spouting their memes and canards. But you are wrong if you think it is only directed at Jews, there is plenty directed at Muslims, not terrorists but the group as a whole. The only difference is that it is considered acceptable by many. Few speak out. Do you want to see a truly disgusting example? Myanmar Is Starving Rohingya Muslims Out of Their Villages: Reports

We need to confront hate, not normalize it.

I agree we need to confront hate. I'm pretty sure I've never claimed that hate is only directed toward Jews. And I'm also sure I've mentioned that the I/P board is the only one I read on USMB. On the I/P board there is virtually no reference to Muslims collectively. Especially not from the regular posters.


Btw, that link dropped me into the middle of a 90 page thread. Was there something specific you wanted me to see?

I forget you stick to IP, but the thread is chock full of justifications for killing or abusing the Rohinga because they Muslim and some of it is from regulars here. You find less of it here (as well as fewer topics attacking Jews collectively) because we keep the focus on Israel and Palestinian (though those still get used as proxies for Jew and Muslim).

Indeed, this is not a religious conflict.

 

[rylah]

This thread is full of hateful gems. All you need is to bring up Jews or Muslims to bring in the scavengers spouting their memes and canards. But you are wrong if you think it is only directed at Jews, there is plenty directed at Muslims, not terrorists but the group as a whole. The only difference is that it is considered acceptable by many. Few speak out. Do you want to see a truly disgusting example? Myanmar Is Starving Rohingya Muslims Out of Their Villages: Reports

We need to confront hate, not normalize it.

I agree we need to confront hate. I'm pretty sure I've never claimed that hate is only directed toward Jews. And I'm also sure I've mentioned that the I/P board is the only one I read on USMB. On the I/P board there is virtually no reference to Muslims collectively. Especially not from the regular posters.


Btw, that link dropped me into the middle of a 90 page thread. Was there something specific you wanted me to see?

I forget you stick to IP, but the thread is chock full of justifications for killing or abusing the Rohinga because they Muslim and some of it is from regulars here. You find less of it here (as well as fewer topics attacking Jews collectively) because we keep the focus on Israel and Palestinian (though those still get used as proxies for Jew and Muslim).

Indeed, this is not a religious conflict.

Listening to You, there're no Jews, no Israel, no conflict.

You're done.

 

[Hollie]

This thread is full of hateful gems. All you need is to bring up Jews or Muslims to bring in the scavengers spouting their memes and canards. But you are wrong if you think it is only directed at Jews, there is plenty directed at Muslims, not terrorists but the group as a whole. The only difference is that it is considered acceptable by many. Few speak out. Do you want to see a truly disgusting example? Myanmar Is Starving Rohingya Muslims Out of Their Villages: Reports

We need to confront hate, not normalize it.

I agree we need to confront hate. I'm pretty sure I've never claimed that hate is only directed toward Jews. And I'm also sure I've mentioned that the I/P board is the only one I read on USMB. On the I/P board there is virtually no reference to Muslims collectively. Especially not from the regular posters.


Btw, that link dropped me into the middle of a 90 page thread. Was there something specific you wanted me to see?

I forget you stick to IP, but the thread is chock full of justifications for killing or abusing the Rohinga because they Muslim and some of it is from regulars here. You find less of it here (as well as fewer topics attacking Jews collectively) because we keep the focus on Israel and Palestinian (though those still get used as proxies for Jew and Muslim).

Indeed, this is not a religious conflict.

Indeed, it certainly is.

WATCH: Friday sermon by Gaza cleric: ‘Return March’ goes hand in hand with jihad’

 

[montelatici]

The first three lines of the post I responded to.

There is plenty of hate going around and it certainly isn’t one sided in USMB. Folks either ignore or agree when it targets the minority they hate.

These?

Islam is self explanatory: Submit or die.

Alright. I hear what you are saying. Although I will add that is a comment about a religious idea and not about a people. That may or may not matter in terms of identifying hate. I see hate speech as attacking peoples (as a collective) and not about commenting on people's (often mistaken) interpretation of another religion.

If read through the posts, most don’t make a distinction between the religion and the followers. That is hate speech imo, but also spread untruths. Submit or die speaks of what people think Islam is and what they think Muslims do or will do (ie you can’t trust them).

Anything that does not support Islamist aggression is hate speech to you.

You are on record as indicating that Muslims raping children is funny to you as well as referring to those who murder Jews en masse as being heroic.

Any claims you might make about "hate speech" should be taken with a grain of salt.

I have never read any such thing from Coyote, you liar. And, you are the one that revels in the mass murder of non-Jews, Christians included, by Jews. You are Mr. Hate Speech extraodinaire.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?
※→ montelatici, et al,

What Mass Murder?

I have never read any such thing from Coyote, you liar. And, you are the one that revels in the mass murder of non-Jews, Christians included, by Jews. You are Mr. Hate Speech extraodinaire.

vr.
R

 

[Shusha]

This is an excellent commentary along the lines of what I was thinking when I opened this thread, but said far more eloquently.

The moral challenge of Gaza

 

[Billo_Really]

They suck at if if they are trying to destroy the palestinians in Gaza, as obesity and population growth is soring. Didn't realise the jews were so bad at what they did.

That's why a UN report says Gaza will not be able to sustain life by 2020?

 

[Hollie]

They suck at if if they are trying to destroy the palestinians in Gaza, as obesity and population growth is soring. Didn't realise the jews were so bad at what they did.

That's why a UN report says Gaza will not be able to sustain life by 2020?

That's good news for Hamas.

Hamas second-richest terror group in world, Forbes says

 

[Coyote]

This is an excellent commentary along the lines of what I was thinking when I opened this thread, but said far more eloquently.

The moral challenge of Gaza

That is a great article Shusha, and thought provoking. I hope everyone takes a moment to read it.

Very powerful...

Gaza paralyzes me, because human beings are dying at my hands, and I do not know how to prevent it. Gaza frightens me, because it is so easy to forget it and sing, regardless of what is happening there. Gaza challenges us, for it is in Gaza that our commitment to the value of human life is and will be tested.​

 

[Shusha]

This is an excellent commentary along the lines of what I was thinking when I opened this thread, but said far more eloquently.

The moral challenge of Gaza

That is a great article Shusha, and thought provoking. I hope everyone takes a moment to read it.

Very powerful...

Gaza paralyzes me, because human beings are dying at my hands, and I do not know how to prevent it. Gaza frightens me, because it is so easy to forget it and sing, regardless of what is happening there. Gaza challenges us, for it is in Gaza that our commitment to the value of human life is and will be tested.​

Do you hear my frustration at not being able to discuss things at this level?

 

[Coyote]

This is an excellent commentary along the lines of what I was thinking when I opened this thread, but said far more eloquently.

The moral challenge of Gaza

That is a great article Shusha, and thought provoking. I hope everyone takes a moment to read it.

Very powerful...

Gaza paralyzes me, because human beings are dying at my hands, and I do not know how to prevent it. Gaza frightens me, because it is so easy to forget it and sing, regardless of what is happening there. Gaza challenges us, for it is in Gaza that our commitment to the value of human life is and will be tested.​

Do you hear my frustration at not being able to discuss things at this level?

Yes, I do.

 

[Coyote]

To create a sustainable solution for Gaza, the Arab states need to be on board and committed along with Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

To create a sustainable solution for Gaza, the Arab states need to be on board and committed along with Israel.

Why?

 

[Sixties Fan]

To create a sustainable solution for Gaza, the Arab states need to be on board and committed along with Israel.

Committed to what exactly?

For decades Arab countries, the USA, the EU and others have given money for Gaza to be built and rebuilt.

Most of that money has gone for Hamas homes, resorts, Malls, and especially for the building of tunnels to go under and into Israel for an invasion.

What can the Arab States, aka, the Arab League do now, as Hamas and all other militant groups in Gaza continue to be intent in wasting time and money attempting to destroy Israel as per their charter.

When will Hamas commit to destroy that charter and start using that money to build infrastructure for all the population, as it is done in Israel, Egypt, and other Arab countries.

Hezbollah is destroying Lebanon.
Hamas has been destroying Gaza.

What is the answer to the endless demand to destroy Israel and put all effort and money into it?