Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?

[Dogmaphobe]

I have a better idea. Erect a giant cage around it and charge admission.


.....oops, make that plexiglass, instead. The flying poop and all......,

 

[Coyote]

And vice versa.

Sure thing.

Jews have kept Muslims under oppression and as dhimmies for 1300 years, attacking them, stealing from them, murdering them, so on and so forth.

Jews invaded Arab Muslims or Christian lands for the past 1400 years.

Jews expelled Arab Muslims and Christians from their homes for
the past 1400 years.


It would truly help if people would learn what Islam is. What Islam thinks. And what Islam wants.


Who is up for it?

Look at the attitudes of many here towards Muslims, and look at Israeli public opinion polls on Palestinians. it needs to work both ways, likewise if you want to understand Islam you should not depend on anti Islam sources. I do not go to Stormfront if I want to learn about Jews.

We do not have an attitude about Muslims.

Islam is self explanatory:

Submit or die.

Jews spent 1300 years under Islamic control. They know very well what groups of Muslims like the ones in Gaza want from Jews:

"Drop dead".

It has never been the same about Jews towards the Muslims, whoever they may be, which over a Million Muslims living in Israel, and Zero living in most Muslim countries goes to show.

If Jews/Israel felt the same way as the other side does, there would be ZERO food, medicine, etc going into Gaza. Zero.

Because that is exactly what Hamas, Jordan and others would have done. Actually tried to do during the war in 1948 and did between 1920 and 1948.

Israel allows all religions to go to the Temple Mount. The Muslims only allowed some Muslims to go to the Temple Mount between 1948 and 1967.

Facts are important. They do not change.


There is no way to compare what Muslims have done and continue to do in order to take away Israel from the Jews, and all that Israel has done to make Muslim's lives better.

Who in their right mind allows the enemy into their country for jobs, health care and education?

Israel does.

There is no going into Gaza and Areas A and B for Jews. They get killed at first site.

Muslims get jobs, etc in Israel.

Jews get kidnappeed, murdered in Gaza and Areas A and B, if they ever enter by mistake.


Enough of this endless attempt at comparison between Muslims and Jews.

This an example of exactly what I mean, stopping Hate is a two way street. It means confronting the distortions, false memes and mischarecterizations of the other.

Arab Israeli’s suffer discrimination when it comes to getting jobs in Israel by the way.

Coyote, would you please clarify what you see as distortions, false memes and mischaracterizations in this post? In particular, please point out what you see as capital H Hate.

Compared to, say something like this: Israel is actively trying to destroy all the Palestinians in Gaza and you're trying to act like Israel is the one being attacked.

The first three lines of the post I responded to.

There is plenty of hate going around and it certainly isn’t one sided in USMB. Folks either ignore or agree when it targets the minority they hate.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Sure thing.

Jews have kept Muslims under oppression and as dhimmies for 1300 years, attacking them, stealing from them, murdering them, so on and so forth.

Jews invaded Arab Muslims or Christian lands for the past 1400 years.

Jews expelled Arab Muslims and Christians from their homes for
the past 1400 years.


It would truly help if people would learn what Islam is. What Islam thinks. And what Islam wants.


Who is up for it?

Look at the attitudes of many here towards Muslims, and look at Israeli public opinion polls on Palestinians. it needs to work both ways, likewise if you want to understand Islam you should not depend on anti Islam sources. I do not go to Stormfront if I want to learn about Jews.

We do not have an attitude about Muslims.

Islam is self explanatory:

Submit or die.

Jews spent 1300 years under Islamic control. They know very well what groups of Muslims like the ones in Gaza want from Jews:

"Drop dead".

It has never been the same about Jews towards the Muslims, whoever they may be, which over a Million Muslims living in Israel, and Zero living in most Muslim countries goes to show.

If Jews/Israel felt the same way as the other side does, there would be ZERO food, medicine, etc going into Gaza. Zero.

Because that is exactly what Hamas, Jordan and others would have done. Actually tried to do during the war in 1948 and did between 1920 and 1948.

Israel allows all religions to go to the Temple Mount. The Muslims only allowed some Muslims to go to the Temple Mount between 1948 and 1967.

Facts are important. They do not change.


There is no way to compare what Muslims have done and continue to do in order to take away Israel from the Jews, and all that Israel has done to make Muslim's lives better.

Who in their right mind allows the enemy into their country for jobs, health care and education?

Israel does.

There is no going into Gaza and Areas A and B for Jews. They get killed at first site.

Muslims get jobs, etc in Israel.

Jews get kidnappeed, murdered in Gaza and Areas A and B, if they ever enter by mistake.


Enough of this endless attempt at comparison between Muslims and Jews.

This an example of exactly what I mean, stopping Hate is a two way street. It means confronting the distortions, false memes and mischarecterizations of the other.

Arab Israeli’s suffer discrimination when it comes to getting jobs in Israel by the way.

Coyote, would you please clarify what you see as distortions, false memes and mischaracterizations in this post? In particular, please point out what you see as capital H Hate.

Compared to, say something like this: Israel is actively trying to destroy all the Palestinians in Gaza and you're trying to act like Israel is the one being attacked.

The first three lines of the post I responded to.

There is plenty of hate going around and it certainly isn’t one sided in USMB. Folks either ignore or agree when it targets the minority they hate.

With all due respect, you generalize everything and deal with nothing.

Which is the problem I keep seeing in too many posters.

They cannot detail what the issues are.

You seem to keep saying that Israel and the Jews hate the Arab Palestinians.

Let me give you a quote from Golda Meir:

“We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”

 

[Sixties Fan]

On Compromise with the Arabs

“We Jews have a secret weapon in our struggle with the Arabs - We have no place to go.”

“I guess we have no choice. Either we do everything that is possible, and may seem to others as impossible, and just give up. Or we do everything that is really impossible and we remain alive. There’s one more basic thing that I think that people outside of Israel must realize, and if they understand and accept that, maybe other things will fall into place.

For instance, we’re not the only people in the world who’ve had difficulties with neighbors; that has happened to many. We are the only country in the world whose neighbors do not say, “We are going to war because we want a certain piece of land from Israel,” or waterways or anything of that kind. We’re the only people in the world where our neighbors openly announce they just won’t have us here. And they will not give up fighting and they will not give up war as long as we remain alive. Here.

So this is the crux of the problem: it isn’t anything concrete that they want from us. That’s why it doesn’t make sense when people say, “Give up this and give up the other place. Give up the Golan Heights,” for instance. What happened when we were not on the Golan Heights? We were not on the Golan Heights before ’67, and for 19 years, Syria had guns up there and shot at our agricultural settlements below. We were not on the Golan Heights! So what, if we give up the Golan Heights, they will stop shooting? We were not in the Suez Canal when the war started.

It’s because Egypt and Syria and the other Arab countries refuse to acquiesce to our existence. Therefore there can be no compromise. They say we must be dead. And we say we want to be alive. Between life and death, I don’t know of a compromise. And that’s why we have no choice.”

- 60 Minutes Interview, September 1973

Golda Meir Quotes on Israel & Judaism

 

[Indeependent]

On Compromise with the Arabs

“We Jews have a secret weapon in our struggle with the Arabs - We have no place to go.”

“I guess we have no choice. Either we do everything that is possible, and may seem to others as impossible, and just give up. Or we do everything that is really impossible and we remain alive. There’s one more basic thing that I think that people outside of Israel must realize, and if they understand and accept that, maybe other things will fall into place.

For instance, we’re not the only people in the world who’ve had difficulties with neighbors; that has happened to many. We are the only country in the world whose neighbors do not say, “We are going to war because we want a certain piece of land from Israel,” or waterways or anything of that kind. We’re the only people in the world where our neighbors openly announce they just won’t have us here. And they will not give up fighting and they will not give up war as long as we remain alive. Here.

So this is the crux of the problem: it isn’t anything concrete that they want from us. That’s why it doesn’t make sense when people say, “Give up this and give up the other place. Give up the Golan Heights,” for instance. What happened when we were not on the Golan Heights? We were not on the Golan Heights before ’67, and for 19 years, Syria had guns up there and shot at our agricultural settlements below. We were not on the Golan Heights! So what, if we give up the Golan Heights, they will stop shooting? We were not in the Suez Canal when the war started.

It’s because Egypt and Syria and the other Arab countries refuse to acquiesce to our existence. Therefore there can be no compromise. They say we must be dead. And we say we want to be alive. Between life and death, I don’t know of a compromise. And that’s why we have no choice.”

- 60 Minutes Interview, September 1973

Golda Meir Quotes on Israel & Judaism

We could go back to Europe where the Muslim refugees are currently killing one Jew at a time.

 

[Coyote]

We're pretty much at the forefront of the 21st century.

"forefront"?

Barbarians have no place in the 21st century fool!

"Barbarians have no place in the 21st century fool!"

Wonder what it means regarding your Jihadi heroes in Gaza?

No. They don’t.

Look at the attitudes of many here towards Muslims, and look at Israeli public opinion polls on Palestinians. it needs to work both ways, likewise if you want to understand Islam you should not depend on anti Islam sources. I do not go to Stormfront if I want to learn about Jews.

We do not have an attitude about Muslims.

Islam is self explanatory:

Submit or die.

Jews spent 1300 years under Islamic control. They know very well what groups of Muslims like the ones in Gaza want from Jews:

"Drop dead".

It has never been the same about Jews towards the Muslims, whoever they may be, which over a Million Muslims living in Israel, and Zero living in most Muslim countries goes to show.

If Jews/Israel felt the same way as the other side does, there would be ZERO food, medicine, etc going into Gaza. Zero.

Because that is exactly what Hamas, Jordan and others would have done. Actually tried to do during the war in 1948 and did between 1920 and 1948.

Israel allows all religions to go to the Temple Mount. The Muslims only allowed some Muslims to go to the Temple Mount between 1948 and 1967.

Facts are important. They do not change.


There is no way to compare what Muslims have done and continue to do in order to take away Israel from the Jews, and all that Israel has done to make Muslim's lives better.

Who in their right mind allows the enemy into their country for jobs, health care and education?

Israel does.

There is no going into Gaza and Areas A and B for Jews. They get killed at first site.

Muslims get jobs, etc in Israel.

Jews get kidnappeed, murdered in Gaza and Areas A and B, if they ever enter by mistake.


Enough of this endless attempt at comparison between Muslims and Jews.

This an example of exactly what I mean, stopping Hate is a two way street. It means confronting the distortions, false memes and mischarecterizations of the other.

Arab Israeli’s suffer discrimination when it comes to getting jobs in Israel by the way.

Coyote, would you please clarify what you see as distortions, false memes and mischaracterizations in this post? In particular, please point out what you see as capital H Hate.

Compared to, say something like this: Israel is actively trying to destroy all the Palestinians in Gaza and you're trying to act like Israel is the one being attacked.

The first three lines of the post I responded to.

There is plenty of hate going around and it certainly isn’t one sided in USMB. Folks either ignore or agree when it targets the minority they hate.

With all due respect, you generalize everything and deal with nothing.

Which is the problem I keep seeing in too many posters.

They cannot detail what the issues are.

You seem to keep saying that Israel and the Jews hate the Arab Palestinians.

Let me give you a quote from Golda Meir:

“We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”

You are generalizing about Muslims and you say I generalize everything?

 

[Sixties Fan]

We're pretty much at the forefront of the 21st century.

"forefront"?

Barbarians have no place in the 21st century fool!

"Barbarians have no place in the 21st century fool!"

Wonder what it means regarding your Jihadi heroes in Gaza?

No. They don’t.

We do not have an attitude about Muslims.

Islam is self explanatory:

Submit or die.

Jews spent 1300 years under Islamic control. They know very well what groups of Muslims like the ones in Gaza want from Jews:

"Drop dead".

It has never been the same about Jews towards the Muslims, whoever they may be, which over a Million Muslims living in Israel, and Zero living in most Muslim countries goes to show.

If Jews/Israel felt the same way as the other side does, there would be ZERO food, medicine, etc going into Gaza. Zero.

Because that is exactly what Hamas, Jordan and others would have done. Actually tried to do during the war in 1948 and did between 1920 and 1948.

Israel allows all religions to go to the Temple Mount. The Muslims only allowed some Muslims to go to the Temple Mount between 1948 and 1967.

Facts are important. They do not change.


There is no way to compare what Muslims have done and continue to do in order to take away Israel from the Jews, and all that Israel has done to make Muslim's lives better.

Who in their right mind allows the enemy into their country for jobs, health care and education?

Israel does.

There is no going into Gaza and Areas A and B for Jews. They get killed at first site.

Muslims get jobs, etc in Israel.

Jews get kidnappeed, murdered in Gaza and Areas A and B, if they ever enter by mistake.


Enough of this endless attempt at comparison between Muslims and Jews.

This an example of exactly what I mean, stopping Hate is a two way street. It means confronting the distortions, false memes and mischarecterizations of the other.

Arab Israeli’s suffer discrimination when it comes to getting jobs in Israel by the way.

Coyote, would you please clarify what you see as distortions, false memes and mischaracterizations in this post? In particular, please point out what you see as capital H Hate.

Compared to, say something like this: Israel is actively trying to destroy all the Palestinians in Gaza and you're trying to act like Israel is the one being attacked.

The first three lines of the post I responded to.

There is plenty of hate going around and it certainly isn’t one sided in USMB. Folks either ignore or agree when it targets the minority they hate.

With all due respect, you generalize everything and deal with nothing.

Which is the problem I keep seeing in too many posters.

They cannot detail what the issues are.

You seem to keep saying that Israel and the Jews hate the Arab Palestinians.

Let me give you a quote from Golda Meir:

“We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”

You are generalizing about Muslims and you say I generalize everything?

You have not answered my post, even thought you may think you have.

Read, re-read, think about both Judaism and Islam and the teachings from each one.

And please, do not generalize.

 

[Coyote]

And vice versa.

Sure thing.

Jews have kept Muslims under oppression and as dhimmies for 1300 years, attacking them, stealing from them, murdering them, so on and so forth.

Jews invaded Arab Muslims or Christian lands for the past 1400 years.

Jews expelled Arab Muslims and Christians from their homes for
the past 1400 years.


It would truly help if people would learn what Islam is. What Islam thinks. And what Islam wants.


Who is up for it?

Look at the attitudes of many here towards Muslims, and look at Israeli public opinion polls on Palestinians. it needs to work both ways, likewise if you want to understand Islam you should not depend on anti Islam sources. I do not go to Stormfront if I want to learn about Jews.

We do not have an attitude about Muslims.

Islam is self explanatory:

Submit or die.

Jews spent 1300 years under Islamic control. They know very well what groups of Muslims like the ones in Gaza want from Jews:

"Drop dead".

It has never been the same about Jews towards the Muslims, whoever they may be, which over a Million Muslims living in Israel, and Zero living in most Muslim countries goes to show.

If Jews/Israel felt the same way as the other side does, there would be ZERO food, medicine, etc going into Gaza. Zero.

Because that is exactly what Hamas, Jordan and others would have done. Actually tried to do during the war in 1948 and did between 1920 and 1948.

Israel allows all religions to go to the Temple Mount. The Muslims only allowed some Muslims to go to the Temple Mount between 1948 and 1967.

Facts are important. They do not change.


There is no way to compare what Muslims have done and continue to do in order to take away Israel from the Jews, and all that Israel has done to make Muslim's lives better.

Who in their right mind allows the enemy into their country for jobs, health care and education?

Israel does.

There is no going into Gaza and Areas A and B for Jews. They get killed at first site.

Muslims get jobs, etc in Israel.

Jews get kidnappeed, murdered in Gaza and Areas A and B, if they ever enter by mistake.


Enough of this endless attempt at comparison between Muslims and Jews.

This an example of exactly what I mean, stopping Hate is a two way street. It means confronting the distortions, false memes and mischarecterizations of the other.

Arab Israeli’s suffer discrimination when it comes to getting jobs in Israel by the way.

Coyote, would you please clarify what you see as distortions, false memes and mischaracterizations in this post? In particular, please point out what you see as capital H Hate.

Compared to, say something like this: Israel is actively trying to destroy all the Palestinians in Gaza and you're trying to act like Israel is the one being attacked.

This thread is full of hateful gems. All you need is to bring up Jews or Muslims to bring in the scavengers spouting their memes and canards. But you are wrong if you think it is only directed at Jews, there is plenty directed at Muslims, not terrorists but the group as a whole. The only difference is that it is considered acceptable by many. Few speak out. Do you want to see a truly disgusting example? Myanmar Is Starving Rohingya Muslims Out of Their Villages: Reports

We need to confront hate, not normalize it.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?
※→ et al,

Is there a reason to re-take the Gaza Strip?

What is to be gained by re-taking the Gaza Strip? It is just another congregation that has nothing to offer that would be considered properous and productive.

It is a territorial entity that is about 99% Islamic; which is predominantly Sunni. But the people of the Gaza Strip were much too young to have any significant portion of the population that would fit the true refugee (eligible for consideration as a returnee)(repatriation or compensation) :

• Residence was in Palestine under Mandate.
• During the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948,
• Lost home,
• Lost livelihood,

But the really interesting piece to the politics in the last two decades is the hidden political object of the Arab League: Do not search for a solution. In fact, the more serious of the Arab League members had no interest in a solution.

Oddly enough, the status quo is quite satisfactory for the Arab League. They are in no real hurry to form a solution.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Coyote]

RE: Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?
※→ et al,

Is there a reason to re-take the Gaza Strip?

What is to be gained by re-taking the Gaza Strip? It is just another congregation that has nothing to offer that would be considered properous and productive.

It is a territorial entity that is about 99% Islamic; which is predominantly Sunni. But the people of the Gaza Strip were much too young to have any significant portion of the population that would fit the true refugee (eligible for consideration as a returnee)(repatriation or compensation) :

• Residence was in Palestine under Mandate.
• During the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948,
• Lost home,
• Lost livelihood,

But the really interesting piece to the politics in the last two decades is the hidden political object of the Arab League: Do not search for a solution. In fact, the more serious of the Arab League members had no interest in a solution.

Oddly enough, the status quo is quite satisfactory for the Arab League. They are in no real hurry to form a solution.

Most Respectfully,
R

and that is where we should focus our efforts first...then turn to Israel.

 

[Shusha]

The first three lines of the post I responded to.

There is plenty of hate going around and it certainly isn’t one sided in USMB. Folks either ignore or agree when it targets the minority they hate.

These?

Islam is self explanatory: Submit or die.

Alright. I hear what you are saying. Although I will add that is a comment about a religious idea and not about a people. That may or may not matter in terms of identifying hate. I see hate speech as attacking peoples (as a collective) and not about commenting on people's (often mistaken) interpretation of another religion.

 

[Shusha]

Is there a reason to re-take the Gaza Strip?

There are certainly humanitarian reasons to remove Gaza from Hamas' control. I don't really see that as the question. The question is whether Israel can or should take that on.

 

[Shusha]

This thread is full of hateful gems. All you need is to bring up Jews or Muslims to bring in the scavengers spouting their memes and canards. But you are wrong if you think it is only directed at Jews, there is plenty directed at Muslims, not terrorists but the group as a whole. The only difference is that it is considered acceptable by many. Few speak out. Do you want to see a truly disgusting example? Myanmar Is Starving Rohingya Muslims Out of Their Villages: Reports

We need to confront hate, not normalize it.

I agree we need to confront hate. I'm pretty sure I've never claimed that hate is only directed toward Jews. And I'm also sure I've mentioned that the I/P board is the only one I read on USMB. On the I/P board there is virtually no reference to Muslims collectively. Especially not from the regular posters.


Btw, that link dropped me into the middle of a 90 page thread. Was there something specific you wanted me to see?

 

[Linkiloo]

Can Israel step in? Should Israel step in?

Israel should step out.

Step out of all occupied territory.

Israel should step in.

Step into the 21st century and join the rest of the international community!

Such a Jihadist dream.

You will probably find that is every ones dream except Israel and the US!

Yeah because the rest of the world is enlightened. Look at Syria, Turkey, Afganistan, Nigeria, Sudan, Russia, the Ukraine and all the other enlightened countries of the world. You're so idealist as to live in Willy Wonka's chocolate factory.

 

[Linkiloo]

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If only they would behave themselves in Gaza, the Israelites would welcome them with open arms and make them citizens and they could have health ins, clean water and sewage plant, schools, etc. just like the west bank residents do.

Yeah the day before the embassy was relocated there had been no terrorism known in Israel.

 

[Linkiloo]

Yes, I'm being provocative. (I'm bored with all the ridiculous discussion of people trying to demonize Israel for defending her borders from violent rioters talking about marching to Jerusalem ripping the hearts out of Jews. Ugh.)

So let's talk about the future of Gaza.

There are real humanitarian concerns here. There are real security concerns here. Neither are being addressed by Hamas or the citizens of Gaza. Can Israel step in? Should Israel step in?

Now, I'm not necessarily suggesting that Israel incorporate Gaza into Israel. My thinking is more that if everyone is saying Israel is occupying Gaza anyway -- why doesn't she actually go back to occupying it? Temporarily. Preferrably with the support of the at least some of the Gazan people. Possibly as a Mandate overseeing an economic revival, a re-building of infrastructure, a reduction in violence and a re-education of the next generation.

Is it possible for Israel to offer some carrots here? In the form of clean water, improved medical care, economic trade?

Nothing else is working...they would need to offer a long term plan...with a goal at the end. And get rid of Hamas.

Hamas is a creature of conflict. If there is a peaceful solution it will lose its reason for being.

Like Isis or Boko Haram.

 

[theliq]

Yes, I'm being provocative. (I'm bored with all the ridiculous discussion of people trying to demonize Israel for defending her borders from violent rioters talking about marching to Jerusalem ripping the hearts out of Jews. Ugh.)

So let's talk about the future of Gaza.

There are real humanitarian concerns here. There are real security concerns here. Neither are being addressed by Hamas or the citizens of Gaza. Can Israel step in? Should Israel step in?

Now, I'm not necessarily suggesting that Israel incorporate Gaza into Israel. My thinking is more that if everyone is saying Israel is occupying Gaza anyway -- why doesn't she actually go back to occupying it? Temporarily. Preferrably with the support of the at least some of the Gazan people. Possibly as a Mandate overseeing an economic revival, a re-building of infrastructure, a reduction in violence and a re-education of the next generation.

Is it possible for Israel to offer some carrots here? In the form of clean water, improved medical care, economic trade?

NO,IT IS TIME FOR PALESTINE TO TAKE BACK THEIR LAND

 

[Linkiloo]

The only thing they ever wanted from the tunnels, even out of Egypt, was to smuggle weapons to attack Israel and the Jews.

They could have built another Arab State, like Jordan did, but chose to attempt to destroy Israel instead.

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The Egyptian army says it has destroyed nearly one-thousand 430 tunnels during the past 18 months. The tunnels are used by Palestinians to bring in supplies to the besieged Gaza Strip. Dozens of people, mostly Palestinians, have lost their lives during the tunnel destructions which have intensified since the 2013 ouster of former president Mohamed Morsi. The Egyptian army claims that these tunnels were used to smuggle weapons to militants in the Sinai Peninsula. But according to a report by the World Food Program, the tunnels represent the main supply route for the much-needed goods in Gaza. The coastal strip has been under the Israeli air, sea and land blockade since 2007. The Egyptian cabinet has approved a law which bans digging or using tunnels for communicating with or supplying Palestinians with goods.

You are such a liar. Israel is actively trying to destroy all the Palestinians in Gaza and you're trying to act like Israel is the one being attacked.

They suck at if if they are trying to destroy the palestinians in Gaza, as obesity and population growth is soring. Didn't realise the jews were so bad at what they did.

 

[theliq]

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If only they would behave themselves in Gaza, the Israelites would welcome them with open arms and make them citizens and they could have health ins, clean water and sewage plant, schools, etc. just like the west bank residents do.

Yeah the day before the embassy was relocated there had been no terrorism known in Israel.

Considering the ZIONISTS ARE A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION...you must be JOKING

 

[theliq]

Is it possible for Israel to offer some carrots here? In the form of clean water, improved medical care, economic trade?

No. That is like buying a purse for a spouse with two black eyes. You are dealing with people (Muslims) who speak about the Crusades like last week's football match.

Well some of the Crusaders were CANNIBALS...you need to read up on history of this area