Is it time for a legitimate third party?

[Foxfyre]

Yeah.... you don't seem to understand what hearsay is. Eyewitness testimonies are first hand accounts of people's experiences. If you think that is hearsay then any victim of a crime or robbery who testifies that the defendant told them to get on the ground or hand over their money would fall under your definition.

A good defense attorney will put any eye witness testimony misused by the prosecution into its full context however. When the media takes things out of their full context and/or creatively edits to create a specific impression, the gullible will use that pretending it is the real deal.

Example: Here at USMB and in all the alphabet MSM we have heard again and again the criticism that Trump described U.S. citizens as 'the enemy within' and threatened to use the U.S. military against them.

Here is the full context of Trump's remarks which obviously is very different than how the dishonest left is spinning it.

Bartiromo: What are you expecting? Joe Biden said he doesn’t think it’s going to be a peaceful Election Day.

Trump: Well, he doesn’t have any idea what’s happening — in all fairness. He spends most of his day sleeping. I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come in — and destroying our country and, by the way, totally destroying our country. The towns and villages, they’re being inundated. But I don’t think they have the problem in terms of Election Day. I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think. And it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can’t let that happen.

What Exactly Did Trump Say About Adam Schiff and Using the Military On ‘The Enemy Within’?

Trump’s interview with Maria Bartiromo grabbed headlines throughout the week as Trump was blasted for using the phrase “enemy within”

www.mediaite.com

And if you listen to the actual unedited video included in the link, you can see how thoughtful and measured those remarks were. Not a wild eyed dictator intending to use the U.S. military against his opponents or as some interpreted it against illegals, but a measured leader who understands that in some life threatening situations it is sometime necessary to use the military to enforce the EXISTING law.

 

[LibertyKid]

Naw, given what a prude you are, I doubt you are.

Prude, you hardly no me, but you are the king of speculation and generalization.

Or...

Or what, do you disagree with my point, or are you going to change the subject?

Again, every thing you post reeks of "religious fanatic".

Everything. Show me one thing? Go search out my posts in religion or other areas. God you're dumb

Again, when Christians have decided that Trump is the same as Jesus, yes, you have missed the boat.

I don't disagree. I don't agree with Christian nationalism as it is not a representation of the NT Jesus. But still call me a fanatic you generalizing bloated twat.

Wow, medical procedures are quite unpleasent, aren't they? I could regale you with the details of prepping for my last colonoscopy, but I won't, because most medical shit is kind of gross.

Seriously, you're equating a colonoscopy with GAC and reassignment surgery. Jesus fucking christ are you an idiot. I've had one, it's not that bad. But you should be used to spewing BS anyways, it just comes out of your brain and spews all over these forums.

All medical procedures come with some kind of risk, and most of it isn't pleasant.

That's what I'm trying to say. This is GAC.

Hormone therapy - Needed for all ages. Needed for rest of one's life. At certain ages, hormone therapy creates greater risks for reassignment surgery.
GAC is remove male genitalia
GAC has the risk of removing libido, sexual function, pleasure, and other areas sexual function.
Hormone therapy has the potential to present greater risks of cancer patients because of long term hormone therapy.
GAC for trans men attempts to place a no working phallus onto a woman with great risk to the urinary system.
The list can go on and on, which you want to be the norm.

All your scaremongering isn't going to impress me. Even if GAC were perfected (and at some point it will be) your sort would be against it because it offends your sexual insecurities.

Again, you don't read and comprehend. Let an adult do what they want. However, let a child's body grow and mature so that a child can then decide to do what they want with their body AFTER they have experienced what a fully mature body can do sexually. You're okay in removing the possibllity of sexual enjoyment and the experience from a human.

But I get it. You come off as someone who doesn't have children, so therefore you can't empathize with a parent, nor do you probably have a good sex life, so you don't care if others want to experience thatas well, so instead, fuck 'em all. If you can't have it, neither can they. This is the type of person you present. Must be lonely during the holidays.

 

[Curried Goats]

A good defense attorney will put any eye witness testimony misused by the prosecution into its full context however. When the media takes things out of their full context and/or creatively edits to create a specific impression, the gullible will use that pretending it is the real deal.

Example: Here at USMB and in all the alphabet MSM we have heard again and again the criticism that Trump described U.S. citizens as 'the enemy within' and threatened to use the U.S. military against them.

Here is the full context of Trump's remarks which obviously is very different than how the dishonest left is spinning it.

Bartiromo: What are you expecting? Joe Biden said he doesn’t think it’s going to be a peaceful Election Day.

Trump: Well, he doesn’t have any idea what’s happening — in all fairness. He spends most of his day sleeping. I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come in — and destroying our country and, by the way, totally destroying our country. The towns and villages, they’re being inundated. But I don’t think they have the problem in terms of Election Day. I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think. And it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can’t let that happen.

What Exactly Did Trump Say About Adam Schiff and Using the Military On ‘The Enemy Within’?

Trump’s interview with Maria Bartiromo grabbed headlines throughout the week as Trump was blasted for using the phrase “enemy within”

www.mediaite.com

And if you listen to the actual unedited video included in the link, you can see how thoughtful and measured those remarks were. Not a wild eyed dictator intending to use the U.S. military against his opponents or as some interpreted it against illegals, but a measured leader who understands that in some life threatening situations it is sometime necessary to use the military to enforce the EXISTING law.

Does Trump have any good attorneys left? The ones he has got him adjudicated a sexual abuser.

Also having a difference of opinion about what Trump meant is also not hearsay. People and the media have every right to disagree with your take here and think Trump is a piece of human shit for his words and that he means to threaten his political opponents.

 

[Foxfyre]

Does Trump have any good attorneys left? The ones he has got him adjudicated a sexual abuser.

Also having a difference of opinion about what Trump meant is also not hearsay. People and the media have every right to disagree with your take here and think Trump is a piece of human shit for his words and that he means to threaten his political opponents.

Opinions of what a person said don't hold up in a legitimate court of law any more than hearsay does. What a person actually said in its full context and setting is the only honorable way to evaluate what a person said. Your TDS based opinion does not change that.

 

[Curried Goats]

Opinions of what a person said don't hold up in a legitimate court of law any more than hearsay does. What a person actually said in its full context and setting is the only honorable way to evaluate what a person said. Your bigoted and TDS based opinion does not change that.

Juries decide what was meant by a defendants actions and words, Moron. The prosecutor gets to give their context and the defense theirs. In Trump's cases the juries don't typically buy his defenses.

 

[FA_Q2]

A good defense attorney will put any eye witness testimony misused by the prosecution into its full context however. When the media takes things out of their full context and/or creatively edits to create a specific impression, the gullible will use that pretending it is the real deal.

Example: Here at USMB and in all the alphabet MSM we have heard again and again the criticism that Trump described U.S. citizens as 'the enemy within' and threatened to use the U.S. military against them.

Here is the full context of Trump's remarks which obviously is very different than how the dishonest left is spinning it.

Bartiromo: What are you expecting? Joe Biden said he doesn’t think it’s going to be a peaceful Election Day.

Trump: Well, he doesn’t have any idea what’s happening — in all fairness. He spends most of his day sleeping. I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come in — and destroying our country and, by the way, totally destroying our country. The towns and villages, they’re being inundated. But I don’t think they have the problem in terms of Election Day. I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think. And it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can’t let that happen.

What Exactly Did Trump Say About Adam Schiff and Using the Military On ‘The Enemy Within’?

Trump’s interview with Maria Bartiromo grabbed headlines throughout the week as Trump was blasted for using the phrase “enemy within”

www.mediaite.com

And if you listen to the actual unedited video included in the link, you can see how thoughtful and measured those remarks were. Not a wild eyed dictator intending to use the U.S. military against his opponents or as some interpreted it against illegals, but a measured leader who understands that in some life threatening situations it is sometime necessary to use the military to enforce the EXISTING law.

lol, she CAN look up context.

Just shows that you deny evidence not because it is false but because you are just lying.

Is there a single honest conservative left on this board? Nothing has brought my opinion of humanity lower than engaging with a trump supporter.

 

[dblack]

I agree with this. You know I am not as hopeful that it will bring about the needed change as you are but I do think it is not only a step in the correct direction but also a NESSISARY step.

Well, I'm not that hopeful. I'm not sure we have enough time.

One common misconception I like to point out: RCV is not a vehicle to get third party candidates elected, and that's not the point. In Australia, where it's been used for over a hundred years, there are still two dominant parties. But it does promote coalition building and gives us a real picture of the values of voters. eg Greens might never win a major election under RCV, but if they get 20% of the first place votes, that WILL get the attention of the major parties. They will cater to those voters. As it is, most voters are scared away from voting their true preferences and they are never heard.

I would also like to see states apportion their votes by their respective elections rather than WTA elections but the incentives just are not there.

Similar reform is on the ballot here in CO. Polis is behind it so there's a good chance it will pass: Colorado Proposition 131, Top-Four Ranked-Choice Voting Initiative (2024)

 

[Foxfyre]

Juries decide what was meant by a defendants actions and words, Moron. The prosecutor gets to give their context and the defense theirs. In Trump's cases the juries don't typically buy his defenses.

Juries decide on the evidence provided via the defense and prosecution and the judge. Period.

 

[Foxfyre]

lol, she CAN look up context.

Just shows that you deny evidence not because it is false but because you are just lying.

Is there a single honest conservative left on this board? Nothing has brought my opinion of humanity lower than engaging with a trump supporter.

I have no idea what you are saying here other than your usual meaningless nonsense. So I'll exercise my New Year's Resolution at this point and wish you a pleasant day.

 

[Curried Goats]

Juries decide on the evidence provided via the defense and prosecution and the judge. Period.

And eye witness accounts are evidence in court, not hearsay just because you disagree with the witnesses opinion.

 

[sartre play]

A good defense attorney will put any eye witness testimony misused by the prosecution into its full context however. When the media takes things out of their full context and/or creatively edits to create a specific impression, the gullible will use that pretending it is the real deal.

Example: Here at USMB and in all the alphabet MSM we have heard again and again the criticism that Trump described U.S. citizens as 'the enemy within' and threatened to use the U.S. military against them.

Here is the full context of Trump's remarks which obviously is very different than how the dishonest left is spinning it.

Bartiromo: What are you expecting? Joe Biden said he doesn’t think it’s going to be a peaceful Election Day.

Trump: Well, he doesn’t have any idea what’s happening — in all fairness. He spends most of his day sleeping. I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come in — and destroying our country and, by the way, totally destroying our country. The towns and villages, they’re being inundated. But I don’t think they have the problem in terms of Election Day. I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think. And it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can’t let that happen.

What Exactly Did Trump Say About Adam Schiff and Using the Military On ‘The Enemy Within’?

Trump’s interview with Maria Bartiromo grabbed headlines throughout the week as Trump was blasted for using the phrase “enemy within”

www.mediaite.com

And if you listen to the actual unedited video included in the link, you can see how thoughtful and measured those remarks were. Not a wild eyed dictator intending to use the U.S. military against his opponents or as some interpreted it against illegals, but a measured leader who understands that in some life threatening situations it is sometime necessary to use the military to enforce the EXISTING law.

SORRY, Just do not see those remarks as thoughtful or a positive for us
I NOTED he only picked out as bad people
Left lunatics.
A president needs to at least attempt to represent All of us, not just his followers.

 

[dblack]

A president needs to at least attempt to represent All of us, not just his followers.

This. This more than anything, is what we need. But it's not going to come about via the two-party system.

 

[LibertyKid]

This. This more than anything, is what we need. But it's not going to come about via the two-party system.

And I'd point out, that each state, should be a better representation of 'us'. Each state should directly affect its own population more directly than that of the federal gov't. But civil and political laziness and ignorance has the majority of people clamoring for a neo-monarchy.

 

[Foxfyre]

And eye witness accounts are evidence in court, not hearsay just because you disagree with the witnesses opinion.

I have a lot of experience with eye witnesses. Have taken a gazillion recorded statements from eye witnesses. And it's pretty rare that any two will 'witness' in exactly the same way. Also there are a number of eye witnesses who claim to be eye witnesses who it turns out never witnessed anything. And an honest court usually figures those out pretty fast.

 

[Foxfyre]

SORRY, Just do not see those remarks as thoughtful or a positive for us
I NOTED he only picked out as bad people
Left lunatics.
A president needs to at least attempt to represent All of us, not just his followers.

Well when you can show me where those on the right pillaged, burned, vandalized, destroyed, assaulted, murdered, and otherwise trashed a city on the pretense of anger over some cop misconduct, you might have an argument. When you see those on the right screaming and carrying on and committing civil disobedience because Trump got elected, we might revisit the issue.

Otherwise I think he is quite rational and justified in his remarks.

 

[Curried Goats]

I have a lot of experience with eye witnesses. Have taken a gazillion recorded statements from eye witnesses. And it's pretty rare that any two will 'witness' in exactly the same way. Also there are a number of eye witnesses who claim to be eye witnesses who it turns out never witnessed anything. And an honest court usually figures those out pretty fast.

Like the courts figuring out Trump is a sexual abuser and business fraud? Why would any criminality by Trump surprise you anymore?

 

[dblack]

And I'd point out, that each state, should be a better representation of 'us'. Each state should directly affect its own population more directly than that of the federal gov't. But civil and political laziness and ignorance has the majority of people clamoring for a neo-monarchy.

Absolutely. I don't think we give enough weight to how much the expansion of government power, especially at the federal level, drives the division we're seeing. The more that government controls society, the more important it is for the culture war factions to control the government. And the more damage they can do when they get control.

 

[Foxfyre]

Like he courts figuring out Trump is a sexual abuser and business fraud? Why would any criminality by Trump surprise you anymore?

Changing the subject? Revisit the threads on the weaponization of government to take out a political opponent.

And then have a nice afternoon.

 

[Curried Goats]

Changing the subject? Revisit the threads on the weaponization of government to take out a political opponent.

And then have a nice afternoon.

That's just an opinion lacking the context of evidence shown to a grand jury of citizens who chose to indict Trump on these charges.

 

[Foxfyre]

That's just an opinion lacking the context of evidence shown to a grand jury of citizens who chose to indict Trump on these charges.

If you think a grand jury cannot be corrupted by a weaponized government, I still have that nice assortment of pretty bridges to sell.