Is it the siren call of authoritarianism?

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Many have struggled with trying to understand Trump's allure in the face of his moral degeneracy, his abject idiocy, and his anti-democratic impulses. It creates a degree of cognitive dissonance I can say personally I've never experienced. Here is one man's opinion I found compelling. My deepest apologies for the limited amount of the article I can paste due to board copywrite rules. It doesn't due the piece justice. Hopefully the theme comes through.

It was written by the NYT resident op-ed board conservative, David Brooks. For context, he begins by making reference to the notion NY will be a competitive state in the presidential race.

The Deep Source of Trump’s Appeal


The proximate answer of course is that many voters think Biden is too old. But that doesn’t explain why Trump was ahead even before the debate. It doesn’t explain why Trump’s candidacy is still standing after Jan. 6. It doesn’t explain why America is on the verge of turning in an authoritarian direction.

I’ve been trying to think through the deeper roots of our current dysfunction with the help of a new book by James Davison Hunter titled “Democracy and Solidarity: On the Cultural Roots of America’s Political Crisis.” Hunter, a scholar at the University of Virginia, is (in my opinion) the nation’s leading cultural historian.

At the same time, science and reason failed to produce a substitute moral order that could hold the nation together. By 1981, in the famous first passage of his book “After Virtue,” the philosopher Alasdair Macintyre argued that we had inherited fragments of moral ideas, not a coherent moral system to give form to a communal life, not a solid set of moral foundations to use to settle disputes. Moral reasoning, he wrote, had been reduced to “emotivism.” If it feels right, do it. In 1987, Allan Bloom released his megaselling “The Closing of the American Mind,” arguing that moral relativism had become the dominant ethos of the era.


He goes on to say identity politics has filled the void of a lack of a cohesive moral order.

Was there anything that would fill this void of meaning? Was there anything that could give people a shared sense of right and wrong, a sense of purpose?

It turns out there was: identity politics. People on the right and the left began to identify themselves within a particular kind of moral story. This is the story in which my political group is the victim of oppression and other groups are the oppressors.

The problem with this form of all-explaining identity politics is that it undermines democracy. If others are evil and out to get us, then persuasion is for suckers.

In this climate, Hunter argues, “the authoritarian impulse becomes impossible to restrain.” Authoritarianism imposes a social vision by force. If you can’t have social solidarity organically from the ground up, then you can impose it from top down using the power of the state. This is the menace of Trumpism. If you read my recent interview with Steve Bannon, you’ll see that he talks like a character straight out of Hunter’s book.


I have felt for a very long time Trump's popularity transcends politics. That Trumpery must have an appeal on a psychological level. Because nothing else I can think of could allow his supporters to ignore his glaring shortcomings as a person and a politician. And not just ignore his shortcomings, but deny objective truths like his direction of the conspiracy to block Biden's certification as prez and install himself as an un-elected leader.

There being a psychological component to his supporter's devotion explains its unshakable nature. An unique feature of his base never seen before in US history. The vast majority of whom can not be persuaded the efforts to hold him accountable for his actions are not corrupt because they reject the idea he has ever done anything wrong. There is no way to deal with that.
 
The proximate answer of course is that many voters think Biden is too old. But that doesn’t explain why Trump was ahead even before the debate.

That really isn't true. It's been obvious for a long time Biden has age related issues that aren't going to get better.
 
The OP hit the nail on the head.

How many times have we heard from Trump supporters “Well he’s an asshole but he speaks for us “

No. He doesn’t . Stop believing stuff that just isn’t true. He’s a con man
 
The proximate answer of course is that many voters think Biden is too old. But that doesn’t explain why Trump was ahead even before the debate.

That really isn't true. It's been obvious for a long time Biden has age related issues that aren't going to get better.
Keep talking like that and you’ll have Trump as President
 
It isn't that Trump is so well liked. It's that the democrats are that much despised. Trump’s popularity will never be understood or explained without the recognition of the level of hatred toward democrats. Democrats will always be bewildered and bemused. They cannot internalize that so much of the country wants them destroyed.
 
Keep talking like that and you’ll have Trump as President

It's not me that is going to have Trump as president. It's the Democrat party just like they did in 2016.
 
It isn't that Trump is so well liked. It's that the democrats are that much despised. Trump’s popularity will never be understood or explained without the recognition of the level of hatred toward democrats. Democrats will always be bewildered and bemused. They cannot internalize that so much of the country wants them destroyed.

Noted, Democrats defeated Trump in 2020. And no, it wasn't because of cheating.

Republicans were expected to clean up in 2022. They didn't because they aren't so well liked either.
 
It isn't that Trump is so well liked. It's that the democrats are that much despised. Trump’s popularity will never be understood or explained without the recognition of the level of hatred toward democrats. Democrats will always be bewildered and bemused. They cannot internalize that so much of the country wants them destroyed.
Well YOU are certainly filled with hatred
 
There being a psychological component to his supporter's devotion explains its unshakable nature. An unique feature of his base never seen before in US history. The vast majority of whom can not be persuaded the efforts to hold him accountable for his actions are not corrupt because they reject the idea he has ever done anything wrong. There is no way to deal with that.
You are getting closer. Of course we reject the idea that Trump has ever done anything wrong. Democrats have lied so much that nothing they say will be believed, perhaps ever. There is no way to deal with that. Once credibility is dead, it's dead forever. Which is why democrats are desperate to replace voting Americans with illegal aliens.
 
The OP hit the nail on the head.

How many times have we heard from Trump supporters “Well he’s an asshole but he speaks for us “

No. He doesn’t . Stop believing stuff that just isn’t true. He’s a con man
To know how politics have that much disdain as a profession is that a man who was either liked or not liked before entering politics found a niche to run for President and hit paydirt. He talks New York street. Republicans kept not keeping promises. And he filled the bill as he talked just like a Progressive Socialist and gave it back. Progs got all the sayings and most of their politicians are lifers as they do nothing else. I believe in America First. And the inflation we are experiencing is what a real con is. From the lifers.
 
The proximate answer of course is that many voters think Biden is too old. But that doesn’t explain why Trump was ahead even before the debate.

That really isn't true. It's been obvious for a long time Biden has age related issues that aren't going to get better.
What you're missing is the question of how Trump could be ahead in light of Jan. 6, a felony conviction, 3 criminal indictments, and the findings of financial liability for tax fraud and rape.
 
You are getting closer. Of course we reject the idea that Trump has ever done anything wrong. Democrats have lied so much that nothing they say will be believed, perhaps ever. There is no way to deal with that. Once credibility is dead, it's dead forever. Which is why democrats are desperate to replace voting Americans with illegal aliens.
I don’t know who you think “we” is but it’s not the American people

Your “we” is a bunch of sad hateful people
 
The OP hit the nail on the head.

How many times have we heard from Trump supporters “Well he’s an asshole but he speaks for us “

No. He doesn’t . Stop believing stuff that just isn’t true. He’s a con man
How does a man born in to wealth, who screwed average people at every opportunity, defrauded his real estate school students, stole from a charity, get folks to think he "is one of us?"
It isn't rational. It's emotional.
 
What you're missing is the question of how Trump could be ahead in light of Jan. 6, a felony conviction, 3 criminal indictments, and the findings of financial liability for tax fraud and rape.
You fucking PSYCHOPATH, all those accusations are BULLSHIT PROJECTION from your weaponized PARTY.
Damn, the total lack of SELF-AWARENESS from the demented LEFT is ASTONISHING.
🙄
 
You fucking PSYCHOPATH, all those accusations are BULLSHIT PROJECTION from your weaponized PARTY.
Damn, the total lack of SELF-AWARENESS from the demented LEFT is ASTONISHING.
🙄
The OP certainly got under this creep’s skin

That’s revealing
 
How does a man born in to wealth, who screwed average people at every opportunity, defrauded his real estate school students, stole from a charity, get folks to think he "is one of us?"
It isn't rational. It's emotional
How about this… because even if he doesn’t believe it, he SAYS the things these people believe in. He even went so far as TRYING to do some of them in his first term in office. He doesn’t fit in with the politicians and thst makes people like him.
 

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