Is it ethical for the Democratic party to keep blacks on the plantation needing government handouts

[ding]

Those are two separate things and have nothing to do with the potential of each person.

It all plays a part in how the poor stay or are kept in poverty. Hard work will not get most ahead in the way things are at this point. Even two people striving together can work and work and work and never get ahead because just the expense of surviving while they work exceeds what they make. Its not all the federal government's fault or any one single factor that brought us to this point but the fact is expenses exceed what a person can earn for many/most today. If a person lives in even a poor area where rent is cheap now their expenses will still exceed what the majority can make just working any ole' job. Do the math.

I didn't say it was easy, but it can be done. There are plenty of rags to riches stories which prove it is possible.

dude, that was ok in the Age of Iron; we are in the Age of Corporate Welfare now.

I don't see anyone stopping themselves but themselves. You either believe you have the power to control your own destiny or you believe in fatalism. Which is it?

How about, capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment, or a Great Depression? Capitalism died in 1929; socialism has been, "bailing us out", ever since.

These are your red herring arguments.

 

[ding]

I don't see anyone stopping themselves but themselves. You either believe you have the power to control your own destiny or you believe in fatalism. Which is it?

How about, capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment, or a Great Depression? Capitalism died in 1929; socialism has been, "bailing us out", ever since.

Does that mean you have a fatalistic worldview?

Learned how to "fish" only to have "Red Herring"s instead of actual arguments?

Actually this is the heart of the argument. You either believe things are in your control or you don't. Which is it?

Why any form of "wars" on any Thing, like crime, drugs, and terror; instead of laissez-fair?

And none of that affects whether or not you believe things are in your control or not. So which is it? Do you believe things are in your control or not?

 

[danielpalos]

It all plays a part in how the poor stay or are kept in poverty. Hard work will not get most ahead in the way things are at this point. Even two people striving together can work and work and work and never get ahead because just the expense of surviving while they work exceeds what they make. Its not all the federal government's fault or any one single factor that brought us to this point but the fact is expenses exceed what a person can earn for many/most today. If a person lives in even a poor area where rent is cheap now their expenses will still exceed what the majority can make just working any ole' job. Do the math.

I didn't say it was easy, but it can be done. There are plenty of rags to riches stories which prove it is possible.

dude, that was ok in the Age of Iron; we are in the Age of Corporate Welfare now.

I don't see anyone stopping themselves but themselves. You either believe you have the power to control your own destiny or you believe in fatalism. Which is it?

How about, capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment, or a Great Depression? Capitalism died in 1929; socialism has been, "bailing us out", ever since.

These are your red herring arguments.

Why any form of "wars" on any Thing, like crime, drugs, and terror; instead of laissez-fair?

 

[danielpalos]

How about, capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment, or a Great Depression? Capitalism died in 1929; socialism has been, "bailing us out", ever since.

Does that mean you have a fatalistic worldview?

Learned how to "fish" only to have "Red Herring"s instead of actual arguments?

Actually this is the heart of the argument. You either believe things are in your control or you don't. Which is it?

Why any form of "wars" on any Thing, like crime, drugs, and terror; instead of laissez-fair?

And none of that affects whether or not you believe things are in your control or not. So which is it? Do you believe things are in your control or not?

dear, it is about, command economics versus laissez-fair.

 

[RodISHI]

We have lived it so I think you may be off a little on your thoughts. Successful behaviors only work in a society that is fair minded and ours is not in all cases. Sorry that is just the way it has gone and the country as a whole is suffering from the effects of what greedy people have done.

Those are two separate things and have nothing to do with the potential of each person.

It all plays a part in how the poor stay or are kept in poverty. Hard work will not get most ahead in the way things are at this point. Even two people striving together can work and work and work and never get ahead because just the expense of surviving while they work exceeds what they make. Its not all the federal government's fault or any one single factor that brought us to this point but the fact is expenses exceed what a person can earn for many/most today. If a person lives in even a poor area where rent is cheap now their expenses will still exceed what the majority can make just working any ole' job. Do the math.

I didn't say it was easy, but it can be done. There are plenty of rags to riches stories which prove it is possible.

Ding, I went from rags to riches in my younger days (no HS diploma and no college degree) so I know the story very well and I am here to tell you it is not the same today. I couldn't imagine trying to take care of two children now days and do what I did thirty plus years ago.

Why not?

Expenses are more than people can make when they are working. Again do the math. When I started contracting insurance was less than three percent. By the time I got sick of the resentful assholes and the politics of it all insurance went to almost 30%. Insurance has gotten worse not better. Taxes on our paid for place in 1981 were about $300.00 a year. Taxes on that same place went up to over $3,800.00 a year and the utilities also went up by several hundred percent. Minimum wage back then was $2.70 an hour then $3.25 an hour. Minimum wage is now $7.00. It was at $6.00 an hour when we lived in a city in actually one of the poorest neighborhoods that was in that metro. Got to know the neighbors around us too and they were living then from paycheck to paycheck with credit cards. Some people were working two jobs no children and the banks-loan companies were ripping them off and attorneys wouldn't do crap to help them. We traveled the country as we were semi-retired in 95' and around the whole country we checked on prices, wages, etc. Since then things have only gotten worse all around. Back in 95 we considered moving somewhere and just working for someone else. The wages were slow low due to the fact that many were hire illegal aliens back then for little of nothing. Like I said "do the math".

When Rod was working it was costing more to drive to work (very short drive) and pay very small payments on a place to live in town (cheaper than driving 70 mile everyday) than he was bringing home. No car payments and everything else paid for except for a small payment (it was less than the cheapest rent at even a sleazy lil' shithole), minimum electric and a phone and he could not make enough to cover the expense of having that job even working overtime every week.

Rent everywhere is high because the owners have to pay the taxes and insurance to even own that place to rent. Your cities and county and states are responsible for that. (I have owned a bit of property in my day so I am not clueless on what it takes to just own it and rent it out for others have a roof over their heads too).

Should people live in the streets and work hard to get ahead? Get out and see how many of these poor people are trying to survive before making a judgment call.

I could write you a book on it all Ding but until you actually get down and dirty and see what it is like in those places you will have your own opinions on it all. Most parents do not have skills in the ghettos so they work and work and work to survive and they have very little to pass onto their children in the way of skills. It is a vicious cycle for them and what happens in DC is they throw money out and some smartass comes along with some grand plan and sucks the money up that was supposed to revitalize these poverty stricken areas. I have seen that go down too.

 

[ding]

Those are two separate things and have nothing to do with the potential of each person.

It all plays a part in how the poor stay or are kept in poverty. Hard work will not get most ahead in the way things are at this point. Even two people striving together can work and work and work and never get ahead because just the expense of surviving while they work exceeds what they make. Its not all the federal government's fault or any one single factor that brought us to this point but the fact is expenses exceed what a person can earn for many/most today. If a person lives in even a poor area where rent is cheap now their expenses will still exceed what the majority can make just working any ole' job. Do the math.

I didn't say it was easy, but it can be done. There are plenty of rags to riches stories which prove it is possible.

Ding, I went from rags to riches in my younger days (no HS diploma and no college degree) so I know the story very well and I am here to tell you it is not the same today. I couldn't imagine trying to take care of two children now days and do what I did thirty plus years ago.

Why not?

Expenses are more than people can make when they are working. Again do the math. When I started contracting insurance was less than three percent. By the time I got sick of the resentful assholes and the politics of it all insurance went to almost 30%. Insurance has gotten worse not better. Taxes on our paid for place in 1981 were about $300.00 a year. Taxes on that same place went up to over $3,800.00 a year and the utilities also went up by several hundred percent. Minimum wage back then was $2.70 an hour then $3.25 an hour. Minimum wage is now $7.00. It was at $6.00 an hour when we lived in a city in actually one of the poorest neighborhoods that was in that metro. Got to know the neighbors around us too and they were living then from paycheck to paycheck with credit cards. Some people were working two jobs no children and the banks-loan companies were ripping them off and attorneys wouldn't do crap to help them. We traveled the country as we were semi-retired in 95' and around the whole country we checked on prices, wages, etc. Since then things have only gotten worse all around. Back in 95 we considered moving somewhere and just working for someone else. The wages were slow low due to the fact that many were hire illegal aliens back then for little of nothing. Like I said "do the math".

When Rod was working it was costing more to drive to work (very short drive) and pay very small payments on a place to live in town (cheaper than driving 70 mile everyday) than he was bringing home. No car payments and everything else paid for except for a small payment (it was less than the cheapest rent at even a sleazy lil' shithole), minimum electric and a phone and he could not make enough to cover the expense of having that job even working overtime every week.

Rent everywhere is high because the owners have to pay the taxes and insurance to even own that place to rent. Your cities and county and states are responsible for that. (I have owned a bit of property in my day so I am not clueless on what it takes to just own it and rent it out for others have a roof over their heads too).

Should people live in the streets and work hard to get ahead? Get out and see how many of these poor people are trying to survive before making a judgment call.

I could write you a book on it all Ding but until you actually get down and dirty and see what it is like in those places you will have your own opinions on it all. Most parents do not have skills in the ghettos so they work and work and work to survive and they have very little to pass onto their children in the way of skills. It is a vicious cycle for them and what happens in DC is they throw money out and some smartass comes along with some grand plan and sucks the money up that was supposed to revitalize these poverty stricken areas. I have seen that go down too.

What judgement call do you believe I am making?

 

[ding]

Why any form of "wars" on any Thing, like crime, drugs, and terror; instead of laissez-fair?

dear, it is about, command economics versus laissez-fair.

How does that answer the question I asked?

Do you believe things are in your control or not?

 

[danielpalos]

Why any form of "wars" on any Thing, like crime, drugs, and terror; instead of laissez-fair?

dear, it is about, command economics versus laissez-fair.

How does that answer the question I asked?

Do you believe things are in your control or not?

I don't mind trying to make like Henry Ford and "double wages" when I have a capital petty cash fund to do so; what excuse on the right wing, Ding?

 

[RodISHI]

It all plays a part in how the poor stay or are kept in poverty. Hard work will not get most ahead in the way things are at this point. Even two people striving together can work and work and work and never get ahead because just the expense of surviving while they work exceeds what they make. Its not all the federal government's fault or any one single factor that brought us to this point but the fact is expenses exceed what a person can earn for many/most today. If a person lives in even a poor area where rent is cheap now their expenses will still exceed what the majority can make just working any ole' job. Do the math.

I didn't say it was easy, but it can be done. There are plenty of rags to riches stories which prove it is possible.

Ding, I went from rags to riches in my younger days (no HS diploma and no college degree) so I know the story very well and I am here to tell you it is not the same today. I couldn't imagine trying to take care of two children now days and do what I did thirty plus years ago.

Why not?

Expenses are more than people can make when they are working. Again do the math. When I started contracting insurance was less than three percent. By the time I got sick of the resentful assholes and the politics of it all insurance went to almost 30%. Insurance has gotten worse not better. Taxes on our paid for place in 1981 were about $300.00 a year. Taxes on that same place went up to over $3,800.00 a year and the utilities also went up by several hundred percent. Minimum wage back then was $2.70 an hour then $3.25 an hour. Minimum wage is now $7.00. It was at $6.00 an hour when we lived in a city in actually one of the poorest neighborhoods that was in that metro. Got to know the neighbors around us too and they were living then from paycheck to paycheck with credit cards. Some people were working two jobs no children and the banks-loan companies were ripping them off and attorneys wouldn't do crap to help them. We traveled the country as we were semi-retired in 95' and around the whole country we checked on prices, wages, etc. Since then things have only gotten worse all around. Back in 95 we considered moving somewhere and just working for someone else. The wages were slow low due to the fact that many were hire illegal aliens back then for little of nothing. Like I said "do the math".

When Rod was working it was costing more to drive to work (very short drive) and pay very small payments on a place to live in town (cheaper than driving 70 mile everyday) than he was bringing home. No car payments and everything else paid for except for a small payment (it was less than the cheapest rent at even a sleazy lil' shithole), minimum electric and a phone and he could not make enough to cover the expense of having that job even working overtime every week.

Rent everywhere is high because the owners have to pay the taxes and insurance to even own that place to rent. Your cities and county and states are responsible for that. (I have owned a bit of property in my day so I am not clueless on what it takes to just own it and rent it out for others have a roof over their heads too).

Should people live in the streets and work hard to get ahead? Get out and see how many of these poor people are trying to survive before making a judgment call.

I could write you a book on it all Ding but until you actually get down and dirty and see what it is like in those places you will have your own opinions on it all. Most parents do not have skills in the ghettos so they work and work and work to survive and they have very little to pass onto their children in the way of skills. It is a vicious cycle for them and what happens in DC is they throw money out and some smartass comes along with some grand plan and sucks the money up that was supposed to revitalize these poverty stricken areas. I have seen that go down too.

What judgement call do you believe I am making?

Read back through your posts and search yourself you'll know.

 

[ding]

I didn't say it was easy, but it can be done. There are plenty of rags to riches stories which prove it is possible.

Ding, I went from rags to riches in my younger days (no HS diploma and no college degree) so I know the story very well and I am here to tell you it is not the same today. I couldn't imagine trying to take care of two children now days and do what I did thirty plus years ago.

Why not?

Expenses are more than people can make when they are working. Again do the math. When I started contracting insurance was less than three percent. By the time I got sick of the resentful assholes and the politics of it all insurance went to almost 30%. Insurance has gotten worse not better. Taxes on our paid for place in 1981 were about $300.00 a year. Taxes on that same place went up to over $3,800.00 a year and the utilities also went up by several hundred percent. Minimum wage back then was $2.70 an hour then $3.25 an hour. Minimum wage is now $7.00. It was at $6.00 an hour when we lived in a city in actually one of the poorest neighborhoods that was in that metro. Got to know the neighbors around us too and they were living then from paycheck to paycheck with credit cards. Some people were working two jobs no children and the banks-loan companies were ripping them off and attorneys wouldn't do crap to help them. We traveled the country as we were semi-retired in 95' and around the whole country we checked on prices, wages, etc. Since then things have only gotten worse all around. Back in 95 we considered moving somewhere and just working for someone else. The wages were slow low due to the fact that many were hire illegal aliens back then for little of nothing. Like I said "do the math".

When Rod was working it was costing more to drive to work (very short drive) and pay very small payments on a place to live in town (cheaper than driving 70 mile everyday) than he was bringing home. No car payments and everything else paid for except for a small payment (it was less than the cheapest rent at even a sleazy lil' shithole), minimum electric and a phone and he could not make enough to cover the expense of having that job even working overtime every week.

Rent everywhere is high because the owners have to pay the taxes and insurance to even own that place to rent. Your cities and county and states are responsible for that. (I have owned a bit of property in my day so I am not clueless on what it takes to just own it and rent it out for others have a roof over their heads too).

Should people live in the streets and work hard to get ahead? Get out and see how many of these poor people are trying to survive before making a judgment call.

I could write you a book on it all Ding but until you actually get down and dirty and see what it is like in those places you will have your own opinions on it all. Most parents do not have skills in the ghettos so they work and work and work to survive and they have very little to pass onto their children in the way of skills. It is a vicious cycle for them and what happens in DC is they throw money out and some smartass comes along with some grand plan and sucks the money up that was supposed to revitalize these poverty stricken areas. I have seen that go down too.

What judgement call do you believe I am making?

Read back through your posts and search yourself you'll know.

I don't need to read back through them. The message I am sending is one of accountability and hope. What message did you read?

 

[ding]

Why any form of "wars" on any Thing, like crime, drugs, and terror; instead of laissez-fair?

dear, it is about, command economics versus laissez-fair.

How does that answer the question I asked?

Do you believe things are in your control or not?

I don't mind trying to make like Henry Ford and "double wages" when I have a capital petty cash fund to do so; what excuse on the right wing, Ding?

How does that answer my question?

Do you believe things are in your control or not?

 

[danielpalos]

Ding, I went from rags to riches in my younger days (no HS diploma and no college degree) so I know the story very well and I am here to tell you it is not the same today. I couldn't imagine trying to take care of two children now days and do what I did thirty plus years ago.

Why not?

Expenses are more than people can make when they are working. Again do the math. When I started contracting insurance was less than three percent. By the time I got sick of the resentful assholes and the politics of it all insurance went to almost 30%. Insurance has gotten worse not better. Taxes on our paid for place in 1981 were about $300.00 a year. Taxes on that same place went up to over $3,800.00 a year and the utilities also went up by several hundred percent. Minimum wage back then was $2.70 an hour then $3.25 an hour. Minimum wage is now $7.00. It was at $6.00 an hour when we lived in a city in actually one of the poorest neighborhoods that was in that metro. Got to know the neighbors around us too and they were living then from paycheck to paycheck with credit cards. Some people were working two jobs no children and the banks-loan companies were ripping them off and attorneys wouldn't do crap to help them. We traveled the country as we were semi-retired in 95' and around the whole country we checked on prices, wages, etc. Since then things have only gotten worse all around. Back in 95 we considered moving somewhere and just working for someone else. The wages were slow low due to the fact that many were hire illegal aliens back then for little of nothing. Like I said "do the math".

When Rod was working it was costing more to drive to work (very short drive) and pay very small payments on a place to live in town (cheaper than driving 70 mile everyday) than he was bringing home. No car payments and everything else paid for except for a small payment (it was less than the cheapest rent at even a sleazy lil' shithole), minimum electric and a phone and he could not make enough to cover the expense of having that job even working overtime every week.

Rent everywhere is high because the owners have to pay the taxes and insurance to even own that place to rent. Your cities and county and states are responsible for that. (I have owned a bit of property in my day so I am not clueless on what it takes to just own it and rent it out for others have a roof over their heads too).

Should people live in the streets and work hard to get ahead? Get out and see how many of these poor people are trying to survive before making a judgment call.

I could write you a book on it all Ding but until you actually get down and dirty and see what it is like in those places you will have your own opinions on it all. Most parents do not have skills in the ghettos so they work and work and work to survive and they have very little to pass onto their children in the way of skills. It is a vicious cycle for them and what happens in DC is they throw money out and some smartass comes along with some grand plan and sucks the money up that was supposed to revitalize these poverty stricken areas. I have seen that go down too.

What judgement call do you believe I am making?

Read back through your posts and search yourself you'll know.

I don't need to read back through them. The message I am sending is one of accountability and hope. What message did you read?

"Shackling" people through means testing for a social safety net, helps keep the poor on that "government plantation".

 

[ding]

Why not?

Expenses are more than people can make when they are working. Again do the math. When I started contracting insurance was less than three percent. By the time I got sick of the resentful assholes and the politics of it all insurance went to almost 30%. Insurance has gotten worse not better. Taxes on our paid for place in 1981 were about $300.00 a year. Taxes on that same place went up to over $3,800.00 a year and the utilities also went up by several hundred percent. Minimum wage back then was $2.70 an hour then $3.25 an hour. Minimum wage is now $7.00. It was at $6.00 an hour when we lived in a city in actually one of the poorest neighborhoods that was in that metro. Got to know the neighbors around us too and they were living then from paycheck to paycheck with credit cards. Some people were working two jobs no children and the banks-loan companies were ripping them off and attorneys wouldn't do crap to help them. We traveled the country as we were semi-retired in 95' and around the whole country we checked on prices, wages, etc. Since then things have only gotten worse all around. Back in 95 we considered moving somewhere and just working for someone else. The wages were slow low due to the fact that many were hire illegal aliens back then for little of nothing. Like I said "do the math".

When Rod was working it was costing more to drive to work (very short drive) and pay very small payments on a place to live in town (cheaper than driving 70 mile everyday) than he was bringing home. No car payments and everything else paid for except for a small payment (it was less than the cheapest rent at even a sleazy lil' shithole), minimum electric and a phone and he could not make enough to cover the expense of having that job even working overtime every week.

Rent everywhere is high because the owners have to pay the taxes and insurance to even own that place to rent. Your cities and county and states are responsible for that. (I have owned a bit of property in my day so I am not clueless on what it takes to just own it and rent it out for others have a roof over their heads too).

Should people live in the streets and work hard to get ahead? Get out and see how many of these poor people are trying to survive before making a judgment call.

I could write you a book on it all Ding but until you actually get down and dirty and see what it is like in those places you will have your own opinions on it all. Most parents do not have skills in the ghettos so they work and work and work to survive and they have very little to pass onto their children in the way of skills. It is a vicious cycle for them and what happens in DC is they throw money out and some smartass comes along with some grand plan and sucks the money up that was supposed to revitalize these poverty stricken areas. I have seen that go down too.

What judgement call do you believe I am making?

Read back through your posts and search yourself you'll know.

I don't need to read back through them. The message I am sending is one of accountability and hope. What message did you read?

"Shackling" people through means testing for a social safety net, helps keep the poor on that "government plantation".

You are wasting my time.

 

[daveman]

The War on Poverty has been going on for five decades now. There is no exit strategy.

That's by design, of course. The goal all along has been to keep people dependent on government...and dutifully voting for the party that promises the most free stuff.

 

[RodISHI]

Ding, I went from rags to riches in my younger days (no HS diploma and no college degree) so I know the story very well and I am here to tell you it is not the same today. I couldn't imagine trying to take care of two children now days and do what I did thirty plus years ago.

Why not?

Expenses are more than people can make when they are working. Again do the math. When I started contracting insurance was less than three percent. By the time I got sick of the resentful assholes and the politics of it all insurance went to almost 30%. Insurance has gotten worse not better. Taxes on our paid for place in 1981 were about $300.00 a year. Taxes on that same place went up to over $3,800.00 a year and the utilities also went up by several hundred percent. Minimum wage back then was $2.70 an hour then $3.25 an hour. Minimum wage is now $7.00. It was at $6.00 an hour when we lived in a city in actually one of the poorest neighborhoods that was in that metro. Got to know the neighbors around us too and they were living then from paycheck to paycheck with credit cards. Some people were working two jobs no children and the banks-loan companies were ripping them off and attorneys wouldn't do crap to help them. We traveled the country as we were semi-retired in 95' and around the whole country we checked on prices, wages, etc. Since then things have only gotten worse all around. Back in 95 we considered moving somewhere and just working for someone else. The wages were slow low due to the fact that many were hire illegal aliens back then for little of nothing. Like I said "do the math".

When Rod was working it was costing more to drive to work (very short drive) and pay very small payments on a place to live in town (cheaper than driving 70 mile everyday) than he was bringing home. No car payments and everything else paid for except for a small payment (it was less than the cheapest rent at even a sleazy lil' shithole), minimum electric and a phone and he could not make enough to cover the expense of having that job even working overtime every week.

Rent everywhere is high because the owners have to pay the taxes and insurance to even own that place to rent. Your cities and county and states are responsible for that. (I have owned a bit of property in my day so I am not clueless on what it takes to just own it and rent it out for others have a roof over their heads too).

Should people live in the streets and work hard to get ahead? Get out and see how many of these poor people are trying to survive before making a judgment call.

I could write you a book on it all Ding but until you actually get down and dirty and see what it is like in those places you will have your own opinions on it all. Most parents do not have skills in the ghettos so they work and work and work to survive and they have very little to pass onto their children in the way of skills. It is a vicious cycle for them and what happens in DC is they throw money out and some smartass comes along with some grand plan and sucks the money up that was supposed to revitalize these poverty stricken areas. I have seen that go down too.

What judgement call do you believe I am making?

Read back through your posts and search yourself you'll know.

I don't need to read back through them. The message I am sending is one of accountability and hope. What message did you read?

Ding, unless there is accountable by the leadership class there is no hope for the poor.

 

[RodISHI]

The War on Poverty has been going on for five decades now. There is no exit strategy.

That's by design, of course. The goal all along has been to keep people dependent on government...and dutifully voting for the party that promises the most free stuff.

I don't think so that is why many people voted for Donald Trump. Most that got out and supported him see that supporting the elitist bankers and thugs with handouts is taking the country to her knees and robbing freedom from future generations.

 

[daveman]

The War on Poverty has been going on for five decades now. There is no exit strategy.

That's by design, of course. The goal all along has been to keep people dependent on government...and dutifully voting for the party that promises the most free stuff.

I don't think so that is why many people voted for Donald Trump. Most that got out and supported him see that supporting the elitist bankers and thugs with handouts is taking the country to her knees and robbing freedom from future generations.

Most that supported Trump did so because they recognized that a Hillary Presidency would be America's suicide.

 

[ding]

Why not?

Expenses are more than people can make when they are working. Again do the math. When I started contracting insurance was less than three percent. By the time I got sick of the resentful assholes and the politics of it all insurance went to almost 30%. Insurance has gotten worse not better. Taxes on our paid for place in 1981 were about $300.00 a year. Taxes on that same place went up to over $3,800.00 a year and the utilities also went up by several hundred percent. Minimum wage back then was $2.70 an hour then $3.25 an hour. Minimum wage is now $7.00. It was at $6.00 an hour when we lived in a city in actually one of the poorest neighborhoods that was in that metro. Got to know the neighbors around us too and they were living then from paycheck to paycheck with credit cards. Some people were working two jobs no children and the banks-loan companies were ripping them off and attorneys wouldn't do crap to help them. We traveled the country as we were semi-retired in 95' and around the whole country we checked on prices, wages, etc. Since then things have only gotten worse all around. Back in 95 we considered moving somewhere and just working for someone else. The wages were slow low due to the fact that many were hire illegal aliens back then for little of nothing. Like I said "do the math".

When Rod was working it was costing more to drive to work (very short drive) and pay very small payments on a place to live in town (cheaper than driving 70 mile everyday) than he was bringing home. No car payments and everything else paid for except for a small payment (it was less than the cheapest rent at even a sleazy lil' shithole), minimum electric and a phone and he could not make enough to cover the expense of having that job even working overtime every week.

Rent everywhere is high because the owners have to pay the taxes and insurance to even own that place to rent. Your cities and county and states are responsible for that. (I have owned a bit of property in my day so I am not clueless on what it takes to just own it and rent it out for others have a roof over their heads too).

Should people live in the streets and work hard to get ahead? Get out and see how many of these poor people are trying to survive before making a judgment call.

I could write you a book on it all Ding but until you actually get down and dirty and see what it is like in those places you will have your own opinions on it all. Most parents do not have skills in the ghettos so they work and work and work to survive and they have very little to pass onto their children in the way of skills. It is a vicious cycle for them and what happens in DC is they throw money out and some smartass comes along with some grand plan and sucks the money up that was supposed to revitalize these poverty stricken areas. I have seen that go down too.

What judgement call do you believe I am making?

Read back through your posts and search yourself you'll know.

I don't need to read back through them. The message I am sending is one of accountability and hope. What message did you read?

Ding, unless there is accountable by the leadership class there is no hope for the poor.

That is a fatalistic belief. There is always hope.

 

[JQPublic1]

Is it ethical for the Democratic party to keep blacks on the plantation needing government handouts?

"...Democrats are still "keeping blacks in their place" -- telling them they need lowered standards, affirmative action, special programs, and freebies to succeed. Democrats constantly send blacks the message they are not as smart as whites..."

Articles: Blacks Still 'Played' and Controlled by Tired Old Democrat Paradigms

The ol' "democrat plantation" card has been played out. No one is buying that crap anymore, if they ever did.But the op is offensively ignorant in thinking that Blacks need handouts. Well, poor Blacks do and so do poor Whites. But the op seems to take on the assumption that Blacks are poor and in need of handouts due to political manipulations by the democrats.

First off, most Blacks are not poor, 75% of Blacks live above the poverty level. But most Blacks who vote are members of the working class and realize that earning higher wages, enjoying safer work-places, and seeing goals of equality set and attained, aligned themselves with the party responsible for all of that.
The question of ethics does not apply here. With only two major parities to choose from, the obvious choice for the working man, Black or White, is the party that made it possible for blue collar and middle class workers to earn a living wage and to feel safe in the workplace. Did you think they did not notice which party fought AGAINST those things????

My question to you is why do you listen to and spread such officious propaganda? You don't love Blacks. Other wise you would have omitted the word Blacks in the title and substituted a word that included Blacks AND Whites. Truth is, you don't give a rats ass about facts,you just want keep the slave narratives going while insinuating that Blacks are too stupid to know they are being used. You know what is best for them RIGHT?

 

[danielpalos]

Expenses are more than people can make when they are working. Again do the math. When I started contracting insurance was less than three percent. By the time I got sick of the resentful assholes and the politics of it all insurance went to almost 30%. Insurance has gotten worse not better. Taxes on our paid for place in 1981 were about $300.00 a year. Taxes on that same place went up to over $3,800.00 a year and the utilities also went up by several hundred percent. Minimum wage back then was $2.70 an hour then $3.25 an hour. Minimum wage is now $7.00. It was at $6.00 an hour when we lived in a city in actually one of the poorest neighborhoods that was in that metro. Got to know the neighbors around us too and they were living then from paycheck to paycheck with credit cards. Some people were working two jobs no children and the banks-loan companies were ripping them off and attorneys wouldn't do crap to help them. We traveled the country as we were semi-retired in 95' and around the whole country we checked on prices, wages, etc. Since then things have only gotten worse all around. Back in 95 we considered moving somewhere and just working for someone else. The wages were slow low due to the fact that many were hire illegal aliens back then for little of nothing. Like I said "do the math".

When Rod was working it was costing more to drive to work (very short drive) and pay very small payments on a place to live in town (cheaper than driving 70 mile everyday) than he was bringing home. No car payments and everything else paid for except for a small payment (it was less than the cheapest rent at even a sleazy lil' shithole), minimum electric and a phone and he could not make enough to cover the expense of having that job even working overtime every week.

Rent everywhere is high because the owners have to pay the taxes and insurance to even own that place to rent. Your cities and county and states are responsible for that. (I have owned a bit of property in my day so I am not clueless on what it takes to just own it and rent it out for others have a roof over their heads too).

Should people live in the streets and work hard to get ahead? Get out and see how many of these poor people are trying to survive before making a judgment call.

I could write you a book on it all Ding but until you actually get down and dirty and see what it is like in those places you will have your own opinions on it all. Most parents do not have skills in the ghettos so they work and work and work to survive and they have very little to pass onto their children in the way of skills. It is a vicious cycle for them and what happens in DC is they throw money out and some smartass comes along with some grand plan and sucks the money up that was supposed to revitalize these poverty stricken areas. I have seen that go down too.

What judgement call do you believe I am making?

Read back through your posts and search yourself you'll know.

I don't need to read back through them. The message I am sending is one of accountability and hope. What message did you read?

"Shackling" people through means testing for a social safety net, helps keep the poor on that "government plantation".

You are wasting my time.

don't be such a ling, ding.