Is Israel held to different or higher standards?

[TheOldSchool]

If Israel was held to different standards, the rest of the world probably would have done something to stop their settlements by now and taken control of Gaza and the West Bank away from them.

How's the world doing with Boko Harem? How'd it do 1/3 of all Cambodians were slaughtered? How's the world doing in Yemen? Chad?

<insert sound of crickets here>

The world only focuses on that tiny strip of sand for only one reason - Gods chosen people are living there and it's been the center of the world for the past 3,000 years because of it.

Yup. Religious madness.

So leave the Jews alone.

I wish we would

 

[TheOldSchool]

If Israel was held to different standards, the rest of the world probably would have done something to stop their settlements by now and taken control of Gaza and the West Bank away from them.

That is precisely the answer I was expecting here, yet I'd like to ask you where have we seen in any of these other land disputes any sort of reactions that can be matched to those taken against Israel?
Here you can find the list;List of territorial disputes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What about them? Sanctions and interventions have been used in many of those. Are you suggesting they should be used against Israel? Have any been used against Israel?

Sanctions and interventions? I'm not aware of those, I'm also not aware of the world's control over these territories and neither their residents, but I'm fully aware of the actions taken against WB residents based on ethnicity (aka settlements) where it's okay for Arab Muslims to settle in a land not theirs but for Jews it's a different story.

Oh so you support allowing these territorial disputes to play out however they may. Interesting. Then please stop lobbying America to interfere. K thanks.

 

[Weatherman2020]

If Israel was held to different standards, the rest of the world probably would have done something to stop their settlements by now and taken control of Gaza and the West Bank away from them.

How's the world doing with Boko Harem? How'd it do 1/3 of all Cambodians were slaughtered? How's the world doing in Yemen? Chad?

<insert sound of crickets here>

The world only focuses on that tiny strip of sand for only one reason - Gods chosen people are living there and it's been the center of the world for the past 3,000 years because of it.

Yup. Religious madness.

So leave the Jews alone.

I wish we would

But YOU worry about it because you have chosen sides there in the center of the world.
Unless you want to show us your posts of concerns about Sudan, Uganda, Burma, Indonesia, ........

 

[TheOldSchool]

If Israel was held to different standards, the rest of the world probably would have done something to stop their settlements by now and taken control of Gaza and the West Bank away from them.

How's the world doing with Boko Harem? How'd it do 1/3 of all Cambodians were slaughtered? How's the world doing in Yemen? Chad?

<insert sound of crickets here>

The world only focuses on that tiny strip of sand for only one reason - Gods chosen people are living there and it's been the center of the world for the past 3,000 years because of it.

Yup. Religious madness.

So leave the Jews alone.

I wish we would

But YOU worry about it because you have chosen sides there in the center of the world.
Unless you want to show us your posts of concerns about Sudan, Uganda, Burma, Indonesia, ........

I've chosen sides? No I've been pretty consistent in my posts about Israel and Palestine as long as I've been here. I want the U.S. to have NOTHING to do with either of them outside of normal trade and business dealings. Neither side wants peace and we have nothing to gain from choosing one side over the other.

 

[Indeependent]

This came up on another thread, thought it might be interesting to discuss.

Some of the things that came up as possible points of discussion:

the right to defend one's national integrity and citizens
the right to prevent an enemy from gaining weapons (ie. a naval blockade)
the necessity of giving up your holy sites in exchange for peace
the requirement to "correct" the escape from conflict or deportations of populations (especially post WWII)
the labelling of goods by the EU (contrast Cyprus or Western Sahara)

I'm sure we will come up with others.

Please, this is not the place to discuss false accusations such as genocide against or slavery of the Palestinians, open air prisons, concentration camps, apartheid. Although this certainly represents how Israel experiences a double standard and a change of meaning for commonly understood words, it is not the focus of this thread. Feel free to start your own.

The answer is easy when you look at the missile defense system Iron Dome. Proven to work great at taking down dozens of incoming missiles simultaneously. At a recent weapons convention they had tons of foot traffic of nations looking at it. But no buyers.
Why?
Every other nation that is fired on by missiles has only one response - go in and wipe them out.
Only Israel is expected to have its civilians targeted daily and not to respond.

That post is so good I hate you.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

If Israel was held to different standards, the rest of the world probably would have done something to stop their settlements by now and taken control of Gaza and the West Bank away from them.

That is precisely the answer I was expecting here, yet I'd like to ask you where have we seen in any of these other land disputes any sort of reactions that can be matched to those taken against Israel?
Here you can find the list;List of territorial disputes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also note Gaza Strip is considered a territorial dispute between the PA and Hamas..not Israel.

I remember once Tinmore said that the West Bank was the only occupied territory left in the world. The world is so focused on Israel all the time that all other peoples (Cypriots, Tibetans, Kurds, etc.) are completely ignored.

 

[Daniyel]

If Israel was held to different standards, the rest of the world probably would have done something to stop their settlements by now and taken control of Gaza and the West Bank away from them.

That is precisely the answer I was expecting here, yet I'd like to ask you where have we seen in any of these other land disputes any sort of reactions that can be matched to those taken against Israel?
Here you can find the list;List of territorial disputes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What about them? Sanctions and interventions have been used in many of those. Are you suggesting they should be used against Israel? Have any been used against Israel?

Sanctions and interventions? I'm not aware of those, I'm also not aware of the world's control over these territories and neither their residents, but I'm fully aware of the actions taken against WB residents based on ethnicity (aka settlements) where it's okay for Arab Muslims to settle in a land not theirs but for Jews it's a different story.

Oh so you support allowing these territorial disputes to play out however they may. Interesting. Then please stop lobbying America to interfere. K thanks.

When exactly did I express my personal option aside from asking you questions?

 

[Penelope]

Israel should be sanctioned and closely monitored for war crimes.

Thank you for pointing out another double standard. Why should ONLY Israel be sanctioned and closely monitored?

They are supposedly the only democracy in the ME and yet they are a rogue regime. The continually steal land and build settlements on the property of the natives. The instigate wars, and would rather ISIS than the deal made with Iran , according to the PM of Defense, all the while we are fighting ISIS, because they do not want Assad in there. Ungrateful, and yet we send them billions a year in aid and weapons.

 

[Boston1]

If Israel was held to different standards, the rest of the world probably would have done something to stop their settlements by now and taken control of Gaza and the West Bank away from them.

That is precisely the answer I was expecting here, yet I'd like to ask you where have we seen in any of these other land disputes any sort of reactions that can be matched to those taken against Israel?
Here you can find the list;List of territorial disputes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also note Gaza Strip is considered a territorial dispute between the PA and Hamas..not Israel.

I remember once Tinmore said that the West Bank was the only occupied territory left in the world. The world is so focused on Israel all the time that all other peoples (Cypriots, Tibetans, Kurds, etc.) are completely ignored.

The ignorance of the racists and bigots never ceases to amaze me

 

[Shusha]

They are supposedly the only democracy in the ME and yet they are a rogue regime. The continually steal land and build settlements on the property of the natives.

Thanks, Pen, you just gave me two more:

The only country in the world that is both a democracy and a rogue regime. How does that happen?

And the only country where the natives are not the natives.

 

[ogibillm]

i don't think nearly as many americans would have a favorable opinion of israel if religion were not part of the equation for them.

 

[Indeependent]

i don't think nearly as many americans would have a favorable opinion of israel if religion were not part of the equation for them.

When Wall Street talks, politicians listen.
And Wall Street LOVES Israel; even the evil Liberals on Wall Street.

 

[Penelope]

They are supposedly the only democracy in the ME and yet they are a rogue regime. The continually steal land and build settlements on the property of the natives.

Thanks, Pen, you just gave me two more:

The only country in the world that is both a democracy and a rogue regime. How does that happen?

And the only country where the natives are not the natives.

The natives are the Palestinians. I said supposedly a democracy, of which they are not.

 

[Vikrant]

i don't think nearly as many americans would have a favorable opinion of israel if religion were not part of the equation for them.

When Wall Street talks, politicians listen.
And Wall Street LOVES Israel; even the evil Liberals on Wall Street.

... and America pays the price for Wall Street's illicit love affair with Israel.

 

[Shusha]

The natives are the Palestinians.

Not anymore they aren't. They've been kicked out and superseded by the Jewish people.

 

[Indeependent]

i don't think nearly as many americans would have a favorable opinion of israel if religion were not part of the equation for them.

When Wall Street talks, politicians listen.
And Wall Street LOVES Israel; even the evil Liberals on Wall Street.

... and America pays the price for Wall Street's illicit love affair with Israel.

Wall Street's only love affair is with itself.
As far as Israel is concerned...Winning!

 

[Daniyel]

i don't think nearly as many americans would have a favorable opinion of israel if religion were not part of the equation for them.

I Believe that I wrote once about the similarities between Americans and Israelis, as matter of fact most of those similarities have nothing to do with religion, its mostly about mentality and events that had impact on societies and opinions.

 

[ogibillm]

i don't think nearly as many americans would have a favorable opinion of israel if religion were not part of the equation for them.

I Believe that I wrote once about the similarities between Americans and Israelis, as matter of fact most of those similarities have nothing to do with religion, its mostly about mentality and events that had impact on societies and opinions.

a largely european background plays into that

 

[Indeependent]

i don't think nearly as many americans would have a favorable opinion of israel if religion were not part of the equation for them.

I Believe that I wrote once about the similarities between Americans and Israelis, as matter of fact most of those similarities have nothing to do with religion, its mostly about mentality and events that had impact on societies and opinions.

a largely european background plays into that

Actually, I think it's the inability to take shit from people that plays into that.

 

[ogibillm]

i don't think nearly as many americans would have a favorable opinion of israel if religion were not part of the equation for them.

I Believe that I wrote once about the similarities between Americans and Israelis, as matter of fact most of those similarities have nothing to do with religion, its mostly about mentality and events that had impact on societies and opinions.

a largely european background plays into that

Actually, I think it's the inability to take shit from people that plays into that.

think what you want. i stand by the belief that if israel was not a largely jewish nation and if many evangelicals didn't feel a religious obligation to support them israel would have a much less favorable standing with many americans.

i guess what i'm saying is right now people like israel because of religion and they don't care about what israel actually does. if you took religion out of it and people just judged israel on its actions israel would not enjoy the support it currently does.