Is homeschooling a good solution?

[Soggy in NOLA]

".. the overall quality of education in the state has improved slightly over the past few years, according to a pair of new reports.
"Education Week’s 2016 Quality Counts report, which measures on overall educational quality, had Wisconsin’s score increasing from 78.9 in 2015 (a C+) to 79.8 (a B-). The state ranked 11th out of the 50 states and the District of Columbia, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
"Wisconsin also tied for first with Minnesota among Midwestern states."

"While Laning’s statement seemed to suggest that Walker has left the schools all but penniless and unable to function normally, that’s hardly the case.
"Wisconsin ranked 22nd, and slightly above the national average, in per-pupil spending, according to the Education Week report. And that amount of money was seemingly enough to provide quality instruction for most students.
“On academic achievement, the state ranked above the nation in most areas,” the Journal Sentinel observed, based on the Education Week report.
"Wisconsin also improved its score and remained tied for third in the nation in the K-12 graduation rate, according to PoltiFact Wisconsin.
"The state has a graduation rate of 88.6 percent in 2013-14, which is apparently the last school year measured by federal officials. In 2012-13 that figure was 88.0 percent."

Ouch.

The truth stings lying progressive moonbats.

Report shows Wisconsin schools doing more with less | EAGnews.org

Is Donald Trump right about what Gov. Scott Walker did to Wisconsin schools?

Wisconsin is falling in terms of student to teacher ratios as the article above points out. That's due to budget cuts and teacher shortages.

And many of those budget shortcomings are due to teachers unions EVERY time a schools receives $5 in new funding there are the teachers right there, wanting $4 of that applied to teachers' salaries.

you want your kids taught but don't want to pay teachers?

there is limitless money for corporate welfare....

and unnecessary military equipment that even the military doesn't want ....

and agricultural subsidies....

and payment for Michele Bachmann's family farm

and her husband's pretend pray away the gay practice....

but "teachers unions" are the problem?

A) where did I say I don't want to pay teachers?

B) Corporate welfare, LOL give me a break

C) I believe there is much waste in defense spending, that can and should be cut. Hell, I'd do away with the Air Force in it's entirety if it were up to me

D) I'm against paying farmers to not grow a crop, its stupid.

E) See D

Oh, I guess you just liberally jumped to a conclusion not supported by facts there eh?

no.....if you jump to criticizing teachers unions, you clearly want to divest teachers of their bargaining power and want to screw them.

hence my comment....by which I stand.

That's ridiculous. Some of us just have issues with public sector unions which clearly are into protecting their own as a priority and at any cost as well.

 

[jillian]

Is Donald Trump right about what Gov. Scott Walker did to Wisconsin schools?

Wisconsin is falling in terms of student to teacher ratios as the article above points out. That's due to budget cuts and teacher shortages.

And many of those budget shortcomings are due to teachers unions EVERY time a schools receives $5 in new funding there are the teachers right there, wanting $4 of that applied to teachers' salaries.

you want your kids taught but don't want to pay teachers?

there is limitless money for corporate welfare....

and unnecessary military equipment that even the military doesn't want ....

and agricultural subsidies....

and payment for Michele Bachmann's family farm

and her husband's pretend pray away the gay practice....

but "teachers unions" are the problem?

A) where did I say I don't want to pay teachers?

B) Corporate welfare, LOL give me a break

C) I believe there is much waste in defense spending, that can and should be cut. Hell, I'd do away with the Air Force in it's entirety if it were up to me

D) I'm against paying farmers to not grow a crop, its stupid.

E) See D

Oh, I guess you just liberally jumped to a conclusion not supported by facts there eh?

no.....if you jump to criticizing teachers unions, you clearly want to divest teachers of their bargaining power and want to screw them.

hence my comment....by which I stand.

Teachers don't want to bargain, they want to bludgeon. Have you EVER , for example, seen a teacher's union say " well maybe we should make it easier to fire incompetent teachers?" I'll answer for you, no you have not.

And yes, you certainly tried to pigeonhole me, and failed and are incapable of admitting you were wrong. Which is completely typical of an ideologue.

I understand the rightwing talking points

explains why you're co-opting fauxnews' laughable tagline.

 

[hadit]

It happens all the time... take a look at the oil service industry. Some of my clients are on round 3 of pay cuts. 40% - 50% layoffs. 401k match eliminations. Major modifications to health coverage. People who have options, move on. People who don't, don't.

It happens all the time in private industry. Welcome to reality.

See, that we agree on. If you make life worse for teachers, the really good ones will move on. And after the conditions you've described how many of your top employees remain? How many of those that do remain are as productive as they were before? When you make the work environment bad you may see short term monetary gains due to salary cuts, etc, but long term you've destroyed your personnel base. Anyone who is quality leaves, anyone that remains is either incompetent or burnt out and less productive. I've seen this first hand myself.

The answer to that, of course, is to make the environment positive for well performing teachers and negative for poorly performing ones, something teachers' unions fight.

what is "well performing"

what is "poorly performing".

not all classes are equal.

if you get a class of honors students, their numbers aren't going to change....thus no positive performance eval.

if you get a special ed class their numbers aren't going to move much off the dial....

so no positive performance eval.

There are some criteria by which a teacher can be evaluated. Clearly, class composition is a factor.

what criteria?

Does the teacher have a lesson plan ready when class starts? Does he/she know the material?
Does the teacher have all class work graded and back to the students on time?
Does the teacher consistently miss class?
Does the teacher have proper answers for questions asked during class?
Does the teacher bring a political agenda into the classroom?

I'm sure you can think of others.

Ultimately, it comes down to this: Do you think teacher compensation should be merit based or not?

 

[Fair&Balanced]

It happens all the time... take a look at the oil service industry. Some of my clients are on round 3 of pay cuts. 40% - 50% layoffs. 401k match eliminations. Major modifications to health coverage. People who have options, move on. People who don't, don't.

It happens all the time in private industry. Welcome to reality.

See, that we agree on. If you make life worse for teachers, the really good ones will move on. And after the conditions you've described how many of your top employees remain? How many of those that do remain are as productive as they were before? When you make the work environment bad you may see short term monetary gains due to salary cuts, etc, but long term you've destroyed your personnel base. Anyone who is quality leaves, anyone that remains is either incompetent or burnt out and less productive. I've seen this first hand myself.

Well, the work environment was only made bad by $30 oil. When a company is bleeding red ink, they have no choice. Seems to me though that a lot of people think government is immune to the immutable laws of economics. They are not. Shit, here in Louisiana we are facing MAJOR budget cuts. Sadly though, our new "no new taxes" governor immediately went to tax increases. People are pissed.

Obviously a major component of this is many people, on the left and the right, fail to treat government money as real money. I mean it's like " a trillion here, a trillion there, what's the big deal with me spending another million on any pet projects of mine?"

and fairly soon we're $20T in debt.

 

[koshergrl]

A general comment for everybody here who thinks that public education sucks: I'm becoming very thankful that my public education experience was good and that the taxes I pay to the schools in my area appear to be well spent. I truly pity the people who live in areas where the schools are as bad as they claim. Must be either low tax or inner city hell holes that I hope never to visit.

Spoken like a true minion of the government schools.

Where'd you get your shitty education, on a street corner?

he's clearly never had an education at all...even on a street corner.

that's why he's so resentful of people who are educated

Bripat seems to fit the profile of well paid ignoramus. The most loathsome genus of the ignoramus family.

Progressive failures hate it when people are self sufficient without being draped in entitlements.

It's that entitlement mentality.

 

[koshergrl]

It happens all the time... take a look at the oil service industry. Some of my clients are on round 3 of pay cuts. 40% - 50% layoffs. 401k match eliminations. Major modifications to health coverage. People who have options, move on. People who don't, don't.

It happens all the time in private industry. Welcome to reality.

See, that we agree on. If you make life worse for teachers, the really good ones will move on. And after the conditions you've described how many of your top employees remain? How many of those that do remain are as productive as they were before? When you make the work environment bad you may see short term monetary gains due to salary cuts, etc, but long term you've destroyed your personnel base. Anyone who is quality leaves, anyone that remains is either incompetent or burnt out and less productive. I've seen this first hand myself.

Well, the work environment was only made bad by $30 oil. When a company is bleeding red ink, they have no choice. Seems to me though that a lot of people think government is immune to the immutable laws of economics. They are not. Shit, here in Louisiana we are facing MAJOR budget cuts. Sadly though, our new "no new taxes" governor immediately went to tax increases. People are pissed.

Obviously a major component of this is many people, on the left and the right, fail to treat government money as real money. I mean it's like " a trillion here, a trillion there, what's the big deal with me spending another million on any pet projects of mine?"

and fairly soon we're $20T in debt.

It's because they've never had to earn their own and pay their own bills.

 

[jillian]

See, that we agree on. If you make life worse for teachers, the really good ones will move on. And after the conditions you've described how many of your top employees remain? How many of those that do remain are as productive as they were before? When you make the work environment bad you may see short term monetary gains due to salary cuts, etc, but long term you've destroyed your personnel base. Anyone who is quality leaves, anyone that remains is either incompetent or burnt out and less productive. I've seen this first hand myself.

The answer to that, of course, is to make the environment positive for well performing teachers and negative for poorly performing ones, something teachers' unions fight.

what is "well performing"

what is "poorly performing".

not all classes are equal.

if you get a class of honors students, their numbers aren't going to change....thus no positive performance eval.

if you get a special ed class their numbers aren't going to move much off the dial....

so no positive performance eval.

There are some criteria by which a teacher can be evaluated. Clearly, class composition is a factor.

what criteria?

Does the teacher have a lesson plan ready when class starts? Does he/she know the material?
Does the teacher have all class work graded and back to the students on time?
Does the teacher consistently miss class?
Does the teacher have proper answers for questions asked during class?
Does the teacher bring a political agenda into the classroom?

I'm sure you can think of others.

Ultimately, it comes down to this: Do you think teacher compensation should be merit based or not?

those things are already taken into account.

as to "political agenda"....as determined by whom?

some science denier or actual criteria?

someone wanting to bring religion into the classroom and teach creationism"?

what's political....teaching history?

 

[jillian]

A general comment for everybody here who thinks that public education sucks: I'm becoming very thankful that my public education experience was good and that the taxes I pay to the schools in my area appear to be well spent. I truly pity the people who live in areas where the schools are as bad as they claim. Must be either low tax or inner city hell holes that I hope never to visit.

Spoken like a true minion of the government schools.

Where'd you get your shitty education, on a street corner?

he's clearly never had an education at all...even on a street corner.

that's why he's so resentful of people who are educated

Bripat seems to fit the profile of well paid ignoramus. The most loathsome genus of the ignoramus family.

Progressive failures hate it when people are self sufficient without being draped in entitlements.

It's that entitlement mentality.

so says a rightwingnut failure.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

See, that we agree on. If you make life worse for teachers, the really good ones will move on. And after the conditions you've described how many of your top employees remain? How many of those that do remain are as productive as they were before? When you make the work environment bad you may see short term monetary gains due to salary cuts, etc, but long term you've destroyed your personnel base. Anyone who is quality leaves, anyone that remains is either incompetent or burnt out and less productive. I've seen this first hand myself.

The answer to that, of course, is to make the environment positive for well performing teachers and negative for poorly performing ones, something teachers' unions fight.

what is "well performing"

what is "poorly performing".

not all classes are equal.

if you get a class of honors students, their numbers aren't going to change....thus no positive performance eval.

if you get a special ed class their numbers aren't going to move much off the dial....

so no positive performance eval.

There are some criteria by which a teacher can be evaluated. Clearly, class composition is a factor.

what criteria?

Does the teacher have a lesson plan ready when class starts? Does he/she know the material?
Does the teacher have all class work graded and back to the students on time?
Does the teacher consistently miss class?
Does the teacher have proper answers for questions asked during class?
Does the teacher bring a political agenda into the classroom?

I'm sure you can think of others.

Ultimately, it comes down to this: Do you think teacher compensation should be merit based or not?

Most leftwingers cannot survive in a meritocracy which is why they typically flock to the public sector.

 

[hadit]

The answer to that, of course, is to make the environment positive for well performing teachers and negative for poorly performing ones, something teachers' unions fight.

what is "well performing"

what is "poorly performing".

not all classes are equal.

if you get a class of honors students, their numbers aren't going to change....thus no positive performance eval.

if you get a special ed class their numbers aren't going to move much off the dial....

so no positive performance eval.

There are some criteria by which a teacher can be evaluated. Clearly, class composition is a factor.

what criteria?

Does the teacher have a lesson plan ready when class starts? Does he/she know the material?
Does the teacher have all class work graded and back to the students on time?
Does the teacher consistently miss class?
Does the teacher have proper answers for questions asked during class?
Does the teacher bring a political agenda into the classroom?

I'm sure you can think of others.

Ultimately, it comes down to this: Do you think teacher compensation should be merit based or not?

those things are already taken into account.

as to "political agenda"....as determined by whom?

some science denier or actual criteria?

someone wanting to bring religion into the classroom and teach creationism"?

what's political....teaching history?

Once clear example is the teacher who taught her skulls full of mush to sing praise songs to Obama. And you didn't answer the question, or provide examples of your own.

 

[Mr Natural]

What happens when the home schooler doesn't know the subject matter?..

 

[jillian]

What happens when the home schooler doesn't know the subject matter?..

more than likely the case.

also more than likely the case that the homeschooler has a religious agenda in wanting to keep their kid away from public school.

there are virtually no standards for homeschooled kids.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

What happens when the home schooler doesn't know the subject matter?..

You think all teachers are experts in all matters?

 

[Fair&Balanced]

What happens when the home schooler doesn't know the subject matter?..

more than likely the case.

also more than likely the case that the homeschooler has a religious agenda in wanting to keep their kid away from public school.

there are virtually no standards for homeschooled kids.

So what if someone has a religous objection to public schooling. Are you against the first amendment?



Of course there are requirements, why so dishonest about something so easily provable?


HSLDA | Home School Laws

 

[regent]

Incompetent teachers are fired everyday, most of the time the administration does not want to take the time or effort to do the task. Many times an incompetent teacher is one that teaches a different tune than school administrators. There is a reason that tenure came about in the schools, in other government jobs it is called civil service.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

What happens when the home schooler doesn't know the subject matter?..

more than likely the case.

also more than likely the case that the homeschooler has a religious agenda in wanting to keep their kid away from public school.

there are virtually no standards for homeschooled kids.

And this offends you? You think that it is your right to dictate otherwise?

 

[Fair&Balanced]

What happens when the home schooler doesn't know the subject matter?..

You think all teachers are experts in all matters?

As I said earlier, with the advent of the internet I can be an expert in virtually any field. That was just lame by him

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

What happens when the home schooler doesn't know the subject matter?..

You think all teachers are experts in all matters?

As I said earlier, with the advent of the internet I can be an expert in virtually any field. That was just lame by him

Sure.... I agree. I dated a teacher years ago, I remember distinctly she having to bone up on subjects on a regular basis.

 

[koshergrl]

Spoken like a true minion of the government schools.

Where'd you get your shitty education, on a street corner?

he's clearly never had an education at all...even on a street corner.

that's why he's so resentful of people who are educated

Bripat seems to fit the profile of well paid ignoramus. The most loathsome genus of the ignoramus family.

Progressive failures hate it when people are self sufficient without being draped in entitlements.

It's that entitlement mentality.

so says a rightwingnut failure.

Hmmm...I'm not a failure, if we're measuring independence. I don't receive any entitlements whatever. And I have nothing but admiration for people who make it to the top, without having rich parents, or entitlements pushing them through school and into cush jobs they are in no way qualified for. Unlike sour old hags like you, who did it by the progressive book and have absolutely nothing to be proud of, because you did absolutely nothing on your own.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

What happens when the home schooler doesn't know the subject matter?..

You think all teachers are experts in all matters?

As I said earlier, with the advent of the internet I can be an expert in virtually any field. That was just lame by him

Sure.... I agree. I dated a teacher years ago, I remember distinctly she having to bone up on subjects on a regular basis.

Which is just logical, but to assume that only people who have a little piece of paper are qualified to teach my kids or to say "you can't object to public schools on religious reasons " just rankles me. I can't stand ideologues.