Is Government the problem...or the scapegoat?

[Seawytch]

And what were the tax penalties if they didn't comply?

So now it's "shift the goalposts" time. You said you "didn't recall" the founders "forcing" people to buy shit. I just showed you when they did...TWICE, but that's not good enough?

If they didn't comply, they were court martialed. How's that for a ******* penalty?

You can't court martial a civilian

They weren't. They were forced to be members of that we'll armed militia you've heard about. (And mandated to arm themselves)

 

[Skull Pilot]

So now it's "shift the goalposts" time. You said you "didn't recall" the founders "forcing" people to buy shit. I just showed you when they did...TWICE, but that's not good enough?

If they didn't comply, they were court martialed. How's that for a ******* penalty?

You can't court martial a civilian

They weren't. They were forced to be members of that we'll armed militia you've heard about. (And mandated to arm themselves)

So they were legally drafted.

 

[Seawytch]

You can't court martial a civilian

They weren't. They were forced to be members of that we'll armed militia you've heard about. (And mandated to arm themselves)

So they were legally drafted.

No. There was no draft.

Still trying to move those goalposts?

Face it, the founders mandated purchases in the form of healthcare for sailors and weapons for a militia.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

you folks are being brainwashed into an anti-government hatred that is leading you all down a dangerous path to extinction of your ideology.

too stupid!! adopting the philosophy of freedom that our founders gifted to us through the Constitution is a patriotic duty that protects and preserves our natural ideology.

You belong in Cuba!! Why not go there and see liberalism prevail before is disappears along with the extreme poverty it produces.

See why we are 100% positive a liberal will be slow? What other conclusion is possible??

 

[Obamanation]

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It's a vicious circle. More and more people are conditioned to expect the government to fix things, to make their lives better. They vote for more government. They become further conditioned and condition the next generation. Slowly but surely it builds, and here we are.

The right wing seems to think they can somehow stop this process (and even roll it back) instantly, in one fell swoop. And that's where they're blowing it. This conditioning process took decades, generations now, and it can't be reversed overnight. And it will continue unless and until the GOP wakes up and treats government dependence as a longer-term cultural issue.

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There are no welfare parasites larger than the six big banks that control the gopvernment.

Rolling those parasitic behemouths back is going to take a complete rethink about how our economic system works.

Do you have any idea, and how much money we have given CitiBank in the last 40 years?

We've bailed out the very people who pooched this economy.

Welfare didn't do that. Government spending didn't do that, Social Security didn['t do that.

The BANKS did that.

We've given them trillions of dollars. We gave them in the last 10 years more than all the wefare we have EVER given to every American who ever lived.

Wake up and smell the corporate welfare, citizens.

THAT is why this nation is going down the tubes.

...and what has the messiah done to stop feeding those banks huge amounts of taxpayer money? --- that's right gave them more than any President EVER, all in an attempt to take control of them. Of course nearly every move this admin has made has been about increasing gov't control over private sector powerhouses.

 

[Obamanation]

They weren't. They were forced to be members of that we'll armed militia you've heard about. (And mandated to arm themselves)

So they were legally drafted.

No. There was no draft.

Still trying to move those goalposts?

Face it, the founders mandated purchases in the form of healthcare for sailors and weapons for a militia.

They were building a freaking army... are you serious with this? It wasn't about forcing private citizens to purchase arms or insurance ---- and certainly not about a gov't takeover of health-care.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

We've given them trillions of dollars. We gave them in the last 10 years more than all the wefare we have EVER given to every American who ever lived.

any evidence of this or just playing make-beleive like a small child again?

See why we are positive a liberal will be slow, so very very slow?

 

[Gadawg73]

They weren't. They were forced to be members of that we'll armed militia you've heard about. (And mandated to arm themselves)

So they were legally drafted.

No. There was no draft.

Still trying to move those goalposts?

Face it, the founders mandated purchases in the form of healthcare for sailors and weapons for a militia.

No, the founders were very skeptical of a standing army and the costs associated with it after independence.

 

[Erand7899]

Oh baloney. The Government is working exactly as the framers intended. The same system of government is still in place. If you don't like the policies put into place, you still get to vote for someone else.

High rate of taxation is what the framers fought.
Government is out of control. In Georgia the Republicans have doubled my license fees in 4 years.
Government is supposed to be limited. Federal government has no business in food stamps, education and many other assistance programs. If anything they are state's issues. Block grants to the states in desperate need I fully support.

No, they fought taxation without representation.

Government is supposed to be what We the People make it. That's our system of government.

Since 'we the people' are not of one mind, on any subject, government is supposed to be according to the contract that established our government.

Any government powerful enough to give you everything you want, is powerful enough to take everything that you have. That is the government that you dumbass loons are working hard to create.

 

[Erand7899]

They weren't. They were forced to be members of that we'll armed militia you've heard about. (And mandated to arm themselves)

So they were legally drafted.

No. There was no draft.

Still trying to move those goalposts?

Face it, the founders mandated purchases in the form of healthcare for sailors and weapons for a militia.

They were conscripted, which is the same as being drafted.

 

[Seawytch]

So they were legally drafted.

No. There was no draft.

Still trying to move those goalposts?

Face it, the founders mandated purchases in the form of healthcare for sailors and weapons for a militia.

No, the founders were very skeptical of a standing army and the costs associated with it after independence.

Right...because Washington didn't want a standing army. (Well regulated militia instead) How'd that work out?

That does not change the fact that the founding fathers DID mandate purchases, which is contrary to Skull's claim that the founders would never have mandated a purchase. They did...three times according to Politifact.

http://www.politifact.com/rhode-isl...d-law-professor-says-early-congress-mandated/

 

[Seawytch]

High rate of taxation is what the framers fought.
Government is out of control. In Georgia the Republicans have doubled my license fees in 4 years.
Government is supposed to be limited. Federal government has no business in food stamps, education and many other assistance programs. If anything they are state's issues. Block grants to the states in desperate need I fully support.

No, they fought taxation without representation.

Government is supposed to be what We the People make it. That's our system of government.

Since 'we the people' are not of one mind, on any subject, government is supposed to be according to the contract that established our government.

Any government powerful enough to give you everything you want, is powerful enough to take everything that you have. That is the government that you dumbass loons are working hard to create.

We still have three branches of government and the right to vote. Relax.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

No, they fought taxation without representation.

Government is supposed to be what We the People make it. That's our system of government.

Since 'we the people' are not of one mind, on any subject, government is supposed to be according to the contract that established our government.

Any government powerful enough to give you everything you want, is powerful enough to take everything that you have. That is the government that you dumbass loons are working hard to create.

We still have three branches of government and the right to vote. Relax.

No need to relax since while the Founders tried to do everything they could dream of to hamstring government they failed to anticipate that all three branches of government would grow like one metastatic cancer despite remaining in 3 parts.