Is Germany a Communist state?

[Zebra]

The Tricks of the Netrix

When Netwits call some group "Marxist," they're really trying to push Capitalist totalitarianism. If some equally dishonest poster criticized Germany as "Protestant," which absolute power would he be championing?

I wonder .....

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

And what would you vote for?

Republic Is Short for "Ream the Public"

Direct democracy. Voters must be natives of Germany.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

And the Bundestag shows proportional represantation
not the winner takes all ….

Representation Is a Re-Presentation of Feudal Tyranny

 

[Zebra]

Representation Is a Re-Presentation of Feudal Tyranny

no

 

[Ringo]

There is a german film called “Goodbye, Lenin"

In it, a son edits special reports and news at home from the GDR for his mother, who has come out of a coma after the GDR ceased to exist and is unaware of the disappearance of the GDR. He created an image of the future GDR in which he himself wanted to live.

People did indeed flee from West Germany to East Germany.
Between 1949 and 1989, a total of 950,000 people moved from West Germany to East Germany. But this is not mentioned anywhere.

Of this total, 400,000 were East Germans who initially fled to the FRG in search of a better life, but then decided to return after experiencing the delights of capitalism. The remaining 550,000 were native residents of West Germany. They voluntarily chose to live under socialism.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There is a german film called “Goodbye, Lenin"

In it, a son edits special reports and news at home from the GDR for his mother, who has come out of a coma after the GDR ceased to exist and is unaware of the disappearance of the GDR. He created an image of the future GDR in which he himself wanted to live.

People did indeed flee from West Germany to East Germany.
Between 1949 and 1989, a total of 950,000 people moved from West Germany to East Germany. But this is not mentioned anywhere.

Of this total, 400,000 were East Germans who initially fled to the FRG in search of a better life, but then decided to return after experiencing the delights of capitalism. The remaining 550,000 were native residents of West Germany. They voluntarily chose to live under socialism.

All Republics Go Bananas

A "democratic republic" is a contradiction in terms. Its conceited supporters sneer at the majority of their own people, calling their fellow citizens "a mob."

 

[BothWings]

There is a german film called “Goodbye, Lenin"

In it, a son edits special reports and news at home from the GDR for his mother, who has come out of a coma after the GDR ceased to exist and is unaware of the disappearance of the GDR. He created an image of the future GDR in which he himself wanted to live.

People did indeed flee from West Germany to East Germany.
Between 1949 and 1989, a total of 950,000 people moved from West Germany to East Germany. But this is not mentioned anywhere.

Of this total, 400,000 were East Germans who initially fled to the FRG in search of a better life, but then decided to return after experiencing the delights of capitalism. The remaining 550,000 were native residents of West Germany. They voluntarily chose to live under socialism.

I saw that. It was good.

 

[zaangalewa]

There is a german film called “Goodbye, Lenin"

In it, a son edits special reports and news at home from the GDR for his mother, who has come out of a coma after the GDR ceased to exist and is unaware of the disappearance of the GDR. He created an image of the future GDR in which he himself wanted to live.

People did indeed flee from West Germany to East Germany.
Between 1949 and 1989, a total of 950,000 people moved from West Germany to East Germany. But this is not mentioned anywhere.

Of this total, 400,000 were East Germans who initially fled to the FRG in search of a better life, but then decided to return after experiencing the delights of capitalism. The remaining 550,000 were native residents of West Germany. They voluntarily chose to live under socialism.

Oh by the way: Best greetings to your Germany in the Andromeda galaxy. Soviet-Germany was a prison - Germany was freedom. So easy is it. Freedom wan.

And the film "Goodbye, Lenin" (German title!) is really a wonderful film. Here the story:

source: Good Bye, Lenin! – Wikipedia

Die vierköpfige Ost-Berliner Familie Kerner führt ein intaktes, scheinbar glückliches Leben – bis zum Sommer 1978, als der Vater sich in den Westen absetzt. Seine Frau Christiane reagiert mit einer schweren Depression. Nach acht Wochen Psychiatrie kehrt sie jedoch „wie verwandelt“ zu ihren Kindern Ariane (13) und Alexander („Alex“, 10) zurück. Fortan geht sie auf in ihrer Rolle als Mutter und Grundschullehrerin – und nicht zuletzt als Sozialistin, indem sie unermüdlich versucht, im Alltag Gutes zu tun. Am 7. Oktober 1989 folgt sie als „verdienstvolle Persönlichkeit“ einer Einladung zum Festakt anlässlich des 40. Jahrestages der DDR im Palast der Republik. Zur gleichen Zeit schließt Alex sich einer Demonstration für mehr Freiheit an, die die Volkspolizei brutal auflöst. Durch Zufall sieht Christiane, wie Alex festgenommen wird, und er, wie sie kollabiert. Aus dem Gefängnis entlassen, erfährt Alex, dass seine Mutter einen Herzinfarkt erlitten hat und im Koma liegt – mit völlig ungewisser Prognose.

Vom Mauerfall, der Abdankung der alten Parteiriege und dem Einzug des Kapitalismus in Ost-Berlin erfährt sie ebenso wenig wie von den Veränderungen im Leben ihrer Kinder. Ariane, selbst schon Mutter, gibt ihr Studium auf zugunsten eines Jobs bei Burger King und verliebt sich in ihren Chef Rainer, der bei den Kerners einzieht. Die PGH von Alex wird abgewickelt; als gelernter Fernsehmonteur wird er übernommen von einer Firma, die Satellitenschüsseln vertreibt und ihre Mitarbeiter per Los zu Ost/West-Paaren zusammenschließt. Alex glaubt fest an die Wiedergenesung seiner Mutter. Dass er sie fast täglich besucht, liegt allerdings auch an der jungen sowjetischen Krankenschwester Lara, in die er sich verliebt. Bei ihrem ersten Kuss, im Juni 1990, wacht Christiane unerwartet auf. Die Ärzte warnen, schon die kleinste Aufregung könne für sie tödlich sein. Das verleitet Alex zu einer ersten Notlüge: Er behauptet, sie sei „beim Einkaufen“ kollabiert. Er bestärkt sie auch in ihrem Wunsch, nach Hause entlassen zu werden – überzeugt, sie dort besser abschirmen zu können vor der Realität des sich wiedervereinigenden Deutschlands, die sie, wie er glaubt, nicht verkraften würde.

Das dafür zu errichtende Illusionsgebäude verlangt ihm Fantasie, Stehvermögen und Improvisationskunst ab. Dass Christiane noch bettlägerig ist, kommt ihm entgegen; so muss er nur ein Zimmer der bereits verwestlichten Plattenbauwohnung in den alten Zustand zurückverwandeln. Aus dem Warensortiment verschwundene DDR-Produkte, die sie liebt – allen voran Spreewaldgurken –, täuscht er vor, indem er alte Verpackungen und Gläser aus Mülltonnen fischt, sie reinigt und mit Westinhalten füllt. Ihren Wunsch, fernzusehen, realisiert er mit Hilfe seines neuen Arbeitskollegen Denis, eines ambitionierten Amateurfilmers, der ihm Videos von alten DDR-Sendungen – vor allem der Aktuellen Kamera – sowie ein Abspielgerät besorgt. Die sich rasant wandelnde Außenwelt lässt sich vor Christiane dennoch nicht ganz verbergen: Einmal wird ein riesiges Coca-Cola-Banner auf der Hauswand entrollt, die sie von ihrem Bett aus sieht, ein andermal begegnet sie Neuankömmlingen aus Wuppertal, als sie sich eigenmächtig auf die Straße wagt. Alex und Denis reagieren darauf mit gefälschten Nachrichtensendungen, in denen sie von einer allmählichen Öffnung der DDR gegenüber dem Westen und von bundesdeutschen „Republikflüchtlingen“ berichten, die angeblich gerade zahlreich in die DDR einwanderten. Ariane und Lara, unfreiwillig zu Komplizinnen gemacht, drängen Alex jedoch, der Mutter endlich reinen Wein einzuschenken.

Ein Ausflug zur Familien-Datsche bietet dazu eine günstige Gelegenheit. Doch Christiane kommt Alex zuvor, indem sie sich ihre eigene Lebenslüge von der Seele redet: Die Republikflucht ihres Mannes war mit ihr abgesprochen; sie war entschlossen, mit den Kindern legal per Ausreiseantrag nachzukommen; vor den zu erwartenden Repressionen habe sie dann aber Angst gehabt, vor allem davor, dass man ihr die Kinder wegnehmen könnte. Der Tribut, den ihre Beichte fordert – akute Lebensgefahr infolge eines zweiten Herzinfarkts –, zwingt Ariane und Alex zu größter Eile, um ihr den sehnlichen Wunsch eines Wiedersehens mit ihrem Mann zu erfüllen: Ariane findet die Briefe von ihm mit seiner West-Berliner Adresse; Alex sucht ihn dort auf und bewegt ihn zum Kommen. Dass Christiane zuvor durch Lara über die veränderten politischen Verhältnisse aufgeklärt worden ist, entgeht ihm allerdings. So inszeniert er noch einen letzten großen Coup für sie und dreht mit Denis ein Fake, worin er Erich Honecker als Staatsratsvorsitzenden zurücktreten und durch Sigmund Jähn ersetzen lässt, sein persönliches Idol seit Kindertagen. Für diese Rolle gewinnt er den Taxifahrer, der ihn nach West-Berlin gefahren hatte und der Jähn zum Verwechseln ähnlich sieht. Dessen Antrittsrede gipfelt in der Erklärung, die DDR habe ihre Grenzen geöffnet, worauf Bilder vom tatsächlichen Mauerfall folgen, die so geschnitten sind, dass sie zum Kommentar, es würden nun die Bundesbürger in die DDR drängen, passen. Auch das reale Feuerwerk um Mitternacht, das die Wiedervereinigung der beiden deutschen Staaten am 3. Oktober 1990 feiert, hat Alex bedacht, als er zuvor den Abreißkalender manipulierte: Er zeigt den 7. Oktober, den 41. Jahrestag der DDR.

Drei Tage später stirbt Christiane. Im Beisein einer kleinen Trauergemeinde schießt Alex ihre Asche in einer alten Spielzeugrakete vom Hausdach aus in den Nachthimmel – überzeugt, für seine Mutter bis zum Schluss die Illusion aufrechterhalten zu haben von einem Land, „an das sie geglaubt hatte“ und das es gleichwohl „in Wirklichkeit nie so gegeben hat“

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The four-member Kerner family from East Berlin leads an intact, seemingly happy life—until the summer of 1978, when the father defects to the West. His wife Christiane reacts with severe depression. However, after eight weeks in a psychiatric ward, she returns “transformed” to her children Ariane (13) and Alexander (“Alex,” 10). From then on, she immerses herself in her role as a mother and elementary school teacher – and not least as a socialist, tirelessly trying to do good in everyday life. On October 7, 1989, as a “distinguished personality,” she accepts an invitation to the ceremony marking the 40th anniversary of the GDR at the Palace of the Republic. At the same time, Alex joins a demonstration for more freedom, which is brutally broken up by the People's Police. By chance, Christiane sees Alex being arrested, and he sees her collapse. Released from prison, Alex learns that his mother has suffered a heart attack and is in a coma – with a completely uncertain prognosis.

She knows as little about the fall of the Berlin Wall, the abdication of the old party leadership, and the arrival of capitalism in East Berlin as she does about the changes in her children's lives. Ariane, now a mother herself, gives up her studies in favor of a job at Burger King and falls in love with her boss Rainer, who moves in with the Kerners. Alex's PGH is being wound up; as a trained television technician, he is taken on by a company that sells satellite dishes and pairs its employees in East/West pairs by drawing lots. Alex firmly believes in his mother's recovery. However, the fact that he visits her almost every day is also due to the young Soviet nurse Lara, with whom he has fallen in love. During their first kiss in June 1990, Christiane unexpectedly wakes up. The doctors warn that even the slightest excitement could be fatal for her. This prompts Alex to tell his first white lie: he claims that she collapsed “while shopping.” He also encourages her desire to be discharged home, convinced that he can better shield her there from the reality of a reunifying Germany, which he believes she would not be able to cope with.

The illusion he has to create for this requires imagination, stamina, and improvisational skills. The fact that Christiane is still bedridden works in his favor; he only has to restore one room of the already Westernized prefab apartment to its former state. He fakes the GDR products she loves that have disappeared from the range of goods – above all Spreewald gherkins – by fishing old packaging and jars out of garbage cans, cleaning them, and filling them with Western contents. He fulfills her wish to watch television with the help of his new colleague Denis, an ambitious amateur filmmaker who provides him with videos of old GDR programs—especially Aktuelle Kamera—and a player. However, the rapidly changing outside world cannot be completely hidden from Christiane: once, a huge Coca-Cola banner is unfurled on the wall of the building, which she can see from her bed; another time, she encounters new arrivals from Wuppertal when she ventures out onto the street on her own initiative. Alex and Denis respond with fake news broadcasts in which they report on a gradual opening of the GDR towards the West and on West German “refugees from the republic” who are allegedly immigrating to the GDR in large numbers. Ariane and Lara, involuntarily made accomplices, urge Alex to finally come clean with their mother.

A trip to the family dacha offers a good opportunity to do so. But Christiane beats Alex to it by confessing her own life lie: her husband's escape from the republic had been agreed with her; she was determined to follow him legally with the children by applying for an exit visa; but then she was afraid of the expected repression, especially that her children might be taken away from her. The price her confession demands—acute danger to her life as a result of a second heart attack—forces Ariane and Alex to act with the utmost urgency to fulfill her fervent wish to see her husband again: Ariane finds his letters with his West Berlin address; Alex visits him there and persuades him to come. However, he is unaware that Christiane has already been informed by Lara about the changed political situation. So he stages one last big coup for her and, with Denis, films a fake in which he has Erich Honecker resign as Chairman of the State Council and be replaced by Sigmund Jähn, his personal idol since childhood. He recruits the taxi driver who drove him to West Berlin, who bears a striking resemblance to Jähn, for this role. His inaugural speech culminates in the declaration that the GDR has opened its borders, followed by images of the actual fall of the Berlin Wall, edited to suggest that West Germans are now flooding into the GDR. Alex also took into account the real fireworks at midnight celebrating the reunification of the two German states on October 3, 1990, when he manipulated the tear-off calendar beforehand: it shows October 7, the 41st anniversary of the GDR.

Three days later, Christiane dies. In the presence of a small mourning congregation, Alex shoots her ashes into the night sky from the roof of the house in an old toy rocket—convinced that he has maintained the illusion for his mother until the end of a country “she believed in” and which, nevertheless, “never really existed.”
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[Zebra]

good film

 

[pal]

What do you think?

i dont think so.

A very high plausibility that today's Germans could choose communism in today's Germany.

Because Germans believe a lot in Marx.

World War two, for example. National Socialism, for example.

 

[Zebra]

Germany is centre

 

[Deadstick]

A very high plausibility that today's Germans could choose communism in today's Germany.

Because Germans believe a lot in Marx.

World War two, for example. National Socialism, for example.

What the hell did WW2 have to do with Marx?

 

[Deadstick]

Certainly not Communist not even Socialist, ever hear of Berufsverbot? that goes back to the Nazi days and the then West German Government brought it back in the 1970s, sounds like fascism to me.

 

[Ringo]

 

[dussty124]

Depends on how you use the word communist, I suppose.