Is Christmas a Christian (or Catholic) Holiday?

[Stann]

Greek Orthodox celebrate Christmas about the 9th of January.

So do the Russian Orthodox. The two week delay was an adjustment to the Julian calendar I believe. Probably all the Orthodox churches do.

 

[Stann]

I think that's a mistake. Lambing in Palestine is when it rains and there's grass.

I don't know what to tell you, what about the corralling of the sheep, that's in conflict with their animal husbandry practices too. What a Surprise, conflict within the bible !

 

[surada]

The Old Testament was about the Jews. The new testament was about the chosen figurehead Jesus Christ. If I remember correctly the first Christmas was celebrated Dec 25th. AD 336 in Rome. It's been a while, my memory isn't what it used to be in this life or any others, for that matter.

Greek Orthodox celebrate Christmas about the 9th of January.

I don't know what to tell you, what about the corralling of the sheep, that's in conflict with their animal husbandry practices too. What a Surprise, conflict within the bible !

I used to go to the Holy Land every late March and early April. I asked about the sheep. I still could be wrong.

 

[Stann]

Greek Orthodox celebrate Christmas about the 9th of January.

I used to go to the Holy Land every late March and early April. I asked about the sheep. I still could be wrong.

Those aren't even the same variety of sheep that they had back then. Unless you are talking a previous life when you were there.

 

[surada]

Those aren't even the same variety of sheep that they had back then. Unless you are talking a previous life when you were there.

Explain the difference in the sheep.

 

[Stann]

Explain the difference in the sheep.

It was in that article I listed. They were the sheep native to the area, called Jacob sheep
Today's sheep raised there are merino types and / or Syrian sheep. Today's sheep are much better meat and wool production. I. Don't know much more.

 

[Stann]

Jesus lived in the later times of the Empire.

Actually the western Roman Empire started in 625 BC and ended in 476 AD, so that would put Jesus in the late times of the Roman empire. Constantinople is another story. Unrelated in how Rome viewed Christianity. First persecuting them , later tolerance, still later acceptance and finally becoming the state religion. Made official in 380 AD by Emperor Theodosius.

 

[surada]

It was in that article I listed. They were the sheep native to the area, called Jacob sheep
Today's sheep raised there are merino types and / or Syrian sheep. Today's sheep are much better meat and wool production. I. Don't know much more.

Jacob sheep - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Stann]

Jacob sheep - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Good, you found it.Enjoy your research.

 

[zaangalewa]

The Old Testament was about the Jews. The new testament was about the chosen figurehead Jesus Christ.

Not really. As well Old and New Testatment are part of the Christian bible. I'm sure Jews have much more books.

If I remember correctly the first Christmas was celebrated Dec 25th. AD 336 in Rome.

Okay. A good memory after 1687 years. But if you could "remember" an older source of the year 200 or 100 AD you would find nothing else. Christmas is by the way not a day but more a kind of season. And "birthday" and the "celebration of a birthday" on reason of commemoration are also two totally different things.

It's been a while, my memory isn't what it used to be in this life or any others, for that matter.

 

[zaangalewa]

This physical one and the Universe of the Creator. The Universe of Light.

Strange. And what form of belief is this? ... One moment ... That's from Platon, isn't it? The world of the things and the world of the ideas.

 

[Stann]

Not really. As well Old and New Testatment are part of the Christian bible. I'm sure Jews have much more books.



Okay. A good memory after 1687 years. But if you could "remember" an older source of the year 200 or 100 AD you would find nothing else. Christmas is by the way not a day but more a kind of season. And "birthday" and the "celebration of a birthday" on reason of commemoration are also two totally different things.

It was the first time the church officially recognized Christ's birth and it was celebrated. Meeting the requirements some idiot posted on here.

 

[Likkmee]

Krismess is a farce to show final sales for a corporation. That's it.It's just business

 

[zaangalewa]

It was the first time the church officially recognized Christ's birth and it was celebrated. Meeting the requirements some idiot posted on here.

And who is "the church" in this case? Hieronymus (347-420) said Christmas was in Rome always celebrated in 25th of december. The official source is by the way from the year 354. In this source refers someone to the year 336 - but it was perhaps not really Christmas what he refers too.


The discussions around the 25th of december are by the way very special for the English speaking world. A famous German layman of the Catholic church for example suggested some years ago to celebrate Christmas in summer - because more and more unchristian elements overrun the Christmas clebrations.

 

[zaangalewa]

Krismess is a farce to show final sales for a corporation. That's it.It's just business

Christmas is what you are doing. And you are doing your business and call it Krismess.

 

[zaangalewa]

Greek Orthodox celebrate Christmas about the 9th of January.

Stann

6th of January. We celebrate the same time the Three Holy Kings.

 

[Stann]

Strange. And what form of belief is this? ... One moment ... That's from Platon, isn't it? The world of the things and the world of the ideas.

Close, it's from my own personal experiences. You believe yourself to be the physical form you are occupying, it is not so. We are all ONE with the Creator in the Universe of Light. The Creator created the physical universe and everything in it. We are capable of crossing the membrane that divides the two universes. We are what makes people " human ". The people on this planet would simply be another animal, capable of even worse atrocities that occur today if we did not occupy them and guide them. Not always successfully. But it's getting better, humans now act better even if they don't have souls in them. We rub off on them.

 

[zaangalewa]

Close, it's from my own personal experiences.

Good grief. Which experience? Did you create the universe?

You believe yourself to be the physical form you are occupying, it is not so.

What's wrong. God is not a liar. My body is real, age is real, death is real and so on. We do not live in any matrix. We live in a real world.

We are all ONE with the Creator in the Universe of Light.

Light is [a part of] the electro-magnetic spectrum. But the universe is much more than this. When we speak spiritually about light and darkness then we speak about knowledge (light) vs ignorance (not-knowledge). But ignorance is also able to be evil in case it is an intentional form of ignorance. It's never clever not to try to listen what god says.

The Creator created the physical universe and everything in it.

We say god created everything what is visible and invisible - what is sensational and not-sensational - what is knowable and not-knowable.

We are capable of crossing the membrane that divides the two universes.

If other universes should exist - what's somehow plausible but we will never know whether this is true or not true - then they are creation like our own universe.

We are what makes people " human ".

Human are lot of things. Human beings are burping for example and human beings are damned cruel for example. In the end is "humanity" an empty phrase except it is a kind of version of Christianity "light" (light by weight but not by knowledge).

The people on this planet would simply be another animal,

We are an animal.

capable of even worse atrocities that occur today if we did not occupy them and guide them.

We are an animal who needs enculturation, socialisation and education.

Not always successfully. But it's getting better,

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humans now act better even if they don't have souls in them.

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We rub off on them.

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[Stann]

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Just as I expected. Most people cannot accept the truth about their reality. You will realize it when you exit your current life here. The world was never what it seems and we are purposely blinded from the truth.

 

[BreezeWood]

The people on this planet would simply be another animal, capable of even worse atrocities that occur today if we did not occupy them and guide them. Not always successfully. But it's getting better, humans now act better even if they don't have souls in them. We rub off on them.

howabout rub somewhere else ... the chrome on a trailer hitch.

were the true heavenly, metaphysical principles truly understood (by everyone) - you would be the first to be condemned.

a spirit is inviolable - to claim otherwise would be an infathomable existence - the enemy of good ...