Is a Constitutional Crisis looming? (Poll)

[eagle1462010]

I already posted the link that explained that to you.

Did you miss it?

Did Trump lie under oath?

Reread it. The 34 are only valid if concealing another crime. What crime did they conceal?

 

[sparky]

Do you folks really want to put constitutional morality in the hands of a court who's blown it so many times?

~S~

 

[Catsnmeters]

Reread it. The 34 are only valid if concealing another crime. What crime did they conceal?

The three crimes he tried to conceal are in the jury instructions.

Please tell me I don't have to look it up for you.

 

[eagle1462010]

The three crimes he tried to conceal are in the jury instructions.

Please tell me I don't have to look it up for you.

I know the instructions. Its a pdf.

For the 34 to be Felonies they have to be concealing another crime.

What crime are they concealing?

 

[Catsnmeters]

Reread it. The 34 are only valid if concealing another crime. What crime did they conceal?

Hey. I looked it up real quick. It was in my history so easier for me to do it. It isn't the transcript but I assume you don't think it was made up by the article.

False right-wing reports about Trump trial jury instructions fuel threats against judge

False reporting and social media commentary about the jury instructions in Trump's hush money trial have spurred calls for the assassination of the judge overseeing the case.

www.nbcnews.com

But jurors can choose from three options about what those other crimes were: violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act, falsification of other business records or violation of tax laws. Those "unlawful means" aren't charges themselves, and they wouldn't result in separate convictions, so jurors don't have to unanimously agree on them.

 

[eagle1462010]

Hey. I looked it up real quick. It was in my history so easier for me to do it. It isn't the transcript but I assume you don't think it was made up by the article.

False right-wing reports about Trump trial jury instructions fuel threats against judge

False reporting and social media commentary about the jury instructions in Trump's hush money trial have spurred calls for the assassination of the judge overseeing the case.

www.nbcnews.com

But jurors can choose from three options about what those other crimes were: violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act, falsification of other business records or violation of tax laws. Those "unlawful means" aren't charges themselves, and they wouldn't result in separate convictions, so jurors don't have to unanimously agree on them.

Finally got it out of you. Choose between 3?????

Not unanimous and specified per charge????

Which tax law was violated??? Cohen was convicted of tax evasion not Trump.

Trump paid the money for NDAs. Not from campaign funds like Edwards.

Falsification of what other business records and if so violated what specific crime??

Utter BS

 

[BluesLegend]

Is a Constitutional Crisis looming? (Poll)​

Looming, no it's unfolding now. Any Biden win is already tainted. It's lose/lose for the Democrats at this point. Victims of their own corruption and lawlessness.

 

[kyzr]

They don't need to be convictions. Here is the legal precedent....

The charge of falsifying business records does not violate the 6th amendment.

Sure and I will accept whatever they say.

He should get the same process ever other citizen gets.

1. The USSC will let NY know if their Law/Precedent is Constitutional. See CO keeping Trump off ballot precedent. Due process is guaranteed.

2. Stop being stupid. How many times do I have to type the "concealed crimes" that were not adjudicated in court are unconstitutional.

3. ok we agree the appeals play put as they play out.

4. Trump is running for president, plus he was president when he signed the checks to Cohen. Presidential Immunity may apply.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Finally got it out of you. Choose between 3?????

Not unanimous and specified per charge????

Which tax law was violated??? Cohen was convicted of tax evasion not Trump.

Trump paid the money for NDAs. Not from campaign funds like Edwards.

Falsification of what other business records and if so violated what specific crime??

Utter BS

Cool. The debate can move forward. Can't reply till tomorrow. Shutting down for the evening. Have a wedding to attend. My son.

Have a good evening.

 

[Clipper]

One lady on with George Stephanopolous this morning had a very concerning scenario.

Say that Biden wins a very close election in November.

Then say that Trump's 34 count conviction gets overturned soon after. That makes Biden's win illegitimate due to obvious election interference.

So what happens? Or, what should happen?

I think that the USSC needs to step in and review the 34 felony counts and either confirm, or overturn them before the election. As one GOP lawyer said, the 34 counts could be affected by the presidential immunity decision.

That's one hell of a hallucination you're experiencing. If you see a castle in the sky or walls melting, don't worry. It too shall pass.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Finally got it out of you. Choose between 3?????

[Sorry for the delay. Was a long week. Leaving Seattle and then catching up with work stuff. If you ignore this post, I don't blame you. It sucks trying to remember an old discussion but I didn't want to leave you hanging so...]

That is how it ended up. They tried for four but Merchan disallowed one.

They were discussed pretrial in February so Trump and Trump's lawyers knew the precedent way back then.

It's odd how Trump is pretending this is new info. It's like the stuff he tweets and says on tv are false and he knows it.

Page 12.

https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/People-v-DonaldTrump2-15-24Decision.pdf

Not unanimous and specified per charge????

It isn't a charge. It's intent. As per the precedent I posted.

Which tax law was violated??? Cohen was convicted of tax evasion not Trump.

The secondary crimes was committed by Cohen on behalf of Trump. It doesn't have to be Trump himself who committed the crime but can be committed by someone else... again, in this case Cohen.

 

[iku]

That's one hell of a hallucination you're experiencing. If you see a castle in the sky or walls melting, don't worry. It too shall pass.

all falling apart right before your eyes and there is nothing you can do about it.

 

[eagle1462010]

[Sorry for the delay. Was a long week. Leaving Seattle and then catching up with work stuff. If you ignore this post, I don't blame you. It sucks trying to remember an old discussion but I didn't want to leave you hanging so...]

That is how it ended up. They tried for four but Merchan disallowed one.

They were discussed pretrial in February so Trump and Trump's lawyers knew the precedent way back then.

It's odd how Trump is pretending this is new info. It's like the stuff he tweets and says on tv are false and he knows it.

Page 12.

https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/People-v-DonaldTrump2-15-24Decision.pdf

It isn't a charge. It's intent. As per the precedent I posted.



The secondary crimes was committed by Cohen on behalf of Trump. It doesn't have to be Trump himself who committed the crime but can be committed by someone else... again, in this case Cohen.

And thats the appeal. They used tax evasion on Cohen. How is that TRUMP. $2700 election fraud. Trump campaigned with his own money.

As I said. Trying aiding and abetting Cohens crimes is BS.

Gonna get overturned probably by SCOTUS. CRAPPY LAW USED to get money. Used 9000 + times since 2015

 

[Catsnmeters]

And thats the appeal. They used tax evasion on Cohen. How is that TRUMP. $2700 election fraud. Trump campaigned with his own money.

He did it for Trump.

As I said. Trying aiding and abetting Cohens crimes is BS.

Gonna get overturned probably by SCOTUS. CRAPPY LAW USED to get money. Used 9000 + times since 2015

I disagree.

 

[eagle1462010]

He did it for Trump.


I disagree.

LOL

We disagree. Lawyer paid to do NDAs which are legal. Congress has a taxpayer fund does same thing

 

[Catsnmeters]

LOL

We disagree. Lawyer paid to do NDAs which are legal. Congress has a taxpayer fund does same thing

Trump was not convicted for having an NDA.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Specify the law allowing that 34 receipts as a Felony.

Hint John Edwards attempt bu Bragg

It's been explained repeatedly to you, but you don't understand it, so tough, that's on you because of your willful stupidity.

 

[kyzr]

Trump was not convicted for having an NDA.

So what was he convicted of?
The secret crime that turned an expired bookkeeping error into a felony?
What crime was covered up by payments to Stormy?

 

[BackAgain]

On what specific grounds would you expect it to be overturned?

Why ask questions when you know already you won’t pay attention to any answers?

 

[BackAgain]

The constitutional crisis is already upon us.