Is $10 for a state ID so you can vote an undue burder?

Incorrect.
Your state grants you the privilege to vote for President. You have no right to this.
The 15th amendment says otherwise. You guys never look up your claims before you post them do you?

Then why did two Democratic Congressmen introduce a Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing a right to vote?

U.S. Constitution is not explicit on the right to vote Wisconsin Rep. Mark Pocan says PolitiFact Wisconsin
Probably because people cant read or trying to pretend its not a right.. Says right in the 15th amendment "right to vote".

Then why does the Supreme Court disagree with you?
They must be conservative controlled. They hate rights and reading it seems. Here is the 15th amendment. I dont get how much plainer someone has to put it.

Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
 
Incorrect.
Your state grants you the privilege to vote for President. You have no right to this.
The 15th amendment says otherwise. You guys never look up your claims before you post them do you?

Then why did two Democratic Congressmen introduce a Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing a right to vote?

U.S. Constitution is not explicit on the right to vote Wisconsin Rep. Mark Pocan says PolitiFact Wisconsin
Probably because people cant read or trying to pretend its not a right.. Says right in the 15th amendment "right to vote".

Then why does the Supreme Court disagree with you?
They must be conservative controlled. They hate rights. Here is the 15th amendment.

Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Nobody is denying (or even proposing to deny) anyone the right to vote on account of race, color or previous condition of servitude.
 
The 15th amendment says otherwise. You guys never look up your claims before you post them do you?

Then why did two Democratic Congressmen introduce a Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing a right to vote?

U.S. Constitution is not explicit on the right to vote Wisconsin Rep. Mark Pocan says PolitiFact Wisconsin
Probably because people cant read or trying to pretend its not a right.. Says right in the 15th amendment "right to vote".

Then why does the Supreme Court disagree with you?
They must be conservative controlled. They hate rights. Here is the 15th amendment.

Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Nobody is denying (or even proposing to deny) anyone the right to vote on account of race, color or previous condition of servitude.
Who said they were?
 
They must be conservative controlled. They hate rights and reading it seems. Here is the 15th amendment.
Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
This does not in any way change the fact that your state does not have hold an election for choosing its slate of electors when electing a the President.
That being the case, you cannot have a right to vote for President.
 
Then why did two Democratic Congressmen introduce a Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing a right to vote?

U.S. Constitution is not explicit on the right to vote Wisconsin Rep. Mark Pocan says PolitiFact Wisconsin
Probably because people cant read or trying to pretend its not a right.. Says right in the 15th amendment "right to vote".

Then why does the Supreme Court disagree with you?
They must be conservative controlled. They hate rights. Here is the 15th amendment.

Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Nobody is denying (or even proposing to deny) anyone the right to vote on account of race, color or previous condition of servitude.
Who said they were?
Is that not the upshot of your citation of the 15th?
 
Incorrect.
Your state grants you the privilege to vote for President. You have no right to this.
The 15th amendment says otherwise. You guys never look up your claims before you post them do you?

Then why did two Democratic Congressmen introduce a Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing a right to vote?

U.S. Constitution is not explicit on the right to vote Wisconsin Rep. Mark Pocan says PolitiFact Wisconsin
Probably because people cant read or trying to pretend its not a right.. Says right in the 15th amendment "right to vote".

Then why does the Supreme Court disagree with you?
They must be conservative controlled. They hate rights and reading it seems. Here is the 15th amendment. I dont get how much plainer someone has to put it.

Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
How does that address ability to pay?

2A doesn't detail. It just says "shall not be infringed"(period)

But, somehow , $100 permit is okay while a $5 ID isn't
:dunno:
 
Probably because people cant read or trying to pretend its not a right.. Says right in the 15th amendment "right to vote".

Then why does the Supreme Court disagree with you?
They must be conservative controlled. They hate rights. Here is the 15th amendment.

Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Nobody is denying (or even proposing to deny) anyone the right to vote on account of race, color or previous condition of servitude.
Who said they were?
Is that not the upshot of your citation of the 15th?
No the bolded part is the upshot of my citation. Why would they say "right of citizens of the United States to vote" if there was in actuality no right to vote?
 
The 15th amendment says otherwise. You guys never look up your claims before you post them do you?

Then why did two Democratic Congressmen introduce a Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing a right to vote?

U.S. Constitution is not explicit on the right to vote Wisconsin Rep. Mark Pocan says PolitiFact Wisconsin
Probably because people cant read or trying to pretend its not a right.. Says right in the 15th amendment "right to vote".

Then why does the Supreme Court disagree with you?
They must be conservative controlled. They hate rights and reading it seems. Here is the 15th amendment. I dont get how much plainer someone has to put it.

Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
How does that address ability to pay?

2A doesn't detail. It just says "shall not be infringed"(period)

But, somehow , $100 permit is okay while a $5 ID isn't
:dunno:
Why does "ability to pay" have to be addressed? He claimed it was not a right.
 
Then why does the Supreme Court disagree with you?
They must be conservative controlled. They hate rights. Here is the 15th amendment.

Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Nobody is denying (or even proposing to deny) anyone the right to vote on account of race, color or previous condition of servitude.
Who said they were?
Is that not the upshot of your citation of the 15th?
No the bolded part is the upshot of my citation. Why would they say "right of citizens of the United States to vote" if there was in actuality no right to vote?
Ah, the old cart-before-the-horse scenario...

Nowhere does it say that the States may not require that a citizen PROVE that he is a citizen, before being allowed to exercise that right.

Proving membership-in-good-standing in the club should be a prerequisite to enjoying membership rights and benefits.

The Constitution does not, for example, allow foreigners to vote in our elections.

Proper identification is implicit in all of this.
 
They must be conservative controlled. They hate rights. Here is the 15th amendment.

Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Nobody is denying (or even proposing to deny) anyone the right to vote on account of race, color or previous condition of servitude.
Who said they were?
Is that not the upshot of your citation of the 15th?
No the bolded part is the upshot of my citation. Why would they say "right of citizens of the United States to vote" if there was in actuality no right to vote?
Ah, the old cart-before-the-horse scenario...

Nowhere does it say that the States may not require that a citizen PROVE that he is a citizen, before being allowed to exercise that right.

Proving membership-in-good-standing in the club should be a prerequisite to enjoying membership rights and benefits.

The Constitution does not, for example, allow foreigners to vote in our elections.

Proper identification is implicit in all of this.
You dont need an ID to prove you are a citizen. Charging someone for an ID in order to vote is a poll tax which is covered under the 24th amendment.

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."
 
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They must be conservative controlled. They hate rights. Here is the 15th amendment.

Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Nobody is denying (or even proposing to deny) anyone the right to vote on account of race, color or previous condition of servitude.
Who said they were?
Is that not the upshot of your citation of the 15th?
No the bolded part is the upshot of my citation. Why would they say "right of citizens of the United States to vote" if there was in actuality no right to vote?
Ah, the old cart-before-the-horse scenario...
Nowhere does it say that the States may not require that a citizen PROVE that he is a citizen, before being allowed to exercise that right.
Proving membership-in-good-standing in the club should be a prerequisite to enjoying membership rights and benefits.
The Constitution does not, for example, allow foreigners to vote in our elections.
Proper identification is implicit in all of this.
The state has a compelling interest in protecting the rights of those legally able to vote,.
To do this in the most minimal way, it must be able to make sure that everyone who casts a ballot is legally able to do so, is voting in the proper location, and is who we has he is.
Voter registration prior to the election and a state-issued photo ID at the poll are the least restrictive means to achieve this.

$10 for s state ID so you can vote? Unacceptable!
$430 for a permit to exercise your right to own a gun and keep it in your home? No issues.
 
Nobody is denying (or even proposing to deny) anyone the right to vote on account of race, color or previous condition of servitude.
Who said they were?
Is that not the upshot of your citation of the 15th?
No the bolded part is the upshot of my citation. Why would they say "right of citizens of the United States to vote" if there was in actuality no right to vote?
Ah, the old cart-before-the-horse scenario...

Nowhere does it say that the States may not require that a citizen PROVE that he is a citizen, before being allowed to exercise that right.

Proving membership-in-good-standing in the club should be a prerequisite to enjoying membership rights and benefits.

The Constitution does not, for example, allow foreigners to vote in our elections.

Proper identification is implicit in all of this.
You dont need an ID to prove you are a citizen. Charging someone for an ID in order to vote is a poll tax which is covered under the 24th amendment.

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."
Good point.

To avoid the 'poll tax' phony-baloney allegation, there is a simple work-around...

1. you cannot receive (apply, or renew) public assistance of any kind without a proper State-issued ID (drivers' license or non-driver's ID card)

2. you cannot enroll (yourself or your children) in school without a proper ID

3. you cannot purchase or rent a residence without a proper ID

4. you cannot obtain a library card without a proper ID

5. you cannot obtain medical services (at least beyond those of immediate and life-saving humanitarian nature) without a proper ID

6. you cannot obtain a bank account or cash a check or utilize wire-transfer services without a proper ID

7. you cannot do ten-thousand-and-one other things without a proper ID

That way, when States require the presentation of this ubiquitous ID in order to vote, it cannot be reasonably claimed to be a poll tax - primarily or otherwise.

There are a great many ways to skin the proverbial cat.
 
Who said they were?
Is that not the upshot of your citation of the 15th?
No the bolded part is the upshot of my citation. Why would they say "right of citizens of the United States to vote" if there was in actuality no right to vote?
Ah, the old cart-before-the-horse scenario...

Nowhere does it say that the States may not require that a citizen PROVE that he is a citizen, before being allowed to exercise that right.

Proving membership-in-good-standing in the club should be a prerequisite to enjoying membership rights and benefits.

The Constitution does not, for example, allow foreigners to vote in our elections.

Proper identification is implicit in all of this.
You dont need an ID to prove you are a citizen. Charging someone for an ID in order to vote is a poll tax which is covered under the 24th amendment.

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."
Good point.

To avoid the 'poll tax' phony-baloney allegation, there is a simple work-around...

1. you cannot receive (apply, or renew) public assistance of any kind without a proper State-issued ID (drivers' license or non-driver's ID card)

2. you cannot enroll (yourself or your children) in school without a proper ID

3. you cannot purchase or rent a residence without a proper ID

4. you cannot obtain a library card without a proper ID

5. you cannot obtain medical services (at least beyond those of immediate and life-saving humanitarian nature) without a proper ID

6. you cannot obtain a bank account or cash a check or utilize wire-transfer services without a proper ID

7. you cannot do ten-thousand-and-one other things without a proper ID

That way, when States require the presentation of this ubiquitous ID in order to vote, it cannot be reasonably claimed to be a poll tax - primarily or otherwise.

There are a great many ways to skin the proverbial cat.
I'm not exactly looking for a work around. I dont support requiring people to pay for ID's.
 
Is that not the upshot of your citation of the 15th?
No the bolded part is the upshot of my citation. Why would they say "right of citizens of the United States to vote" if there was in actuality no right to vote?
Ah, the old cart-before-the-horse scenario...

Nowhere does it say that the States may not require that a citizen PROVE that he is a citizen, before being allowed to exercise that right.

Proving membership-in-good-standing in the club should be a prerequisite to enjoying membership rights and benefits.

The Constitution does not, for example, allow foreigners to vote in our elections.

Proper identification is implicit in all of this.
You dont need an ID to prove you are a citizen. Charging someone for an ID in order to vote is a poll tax which is covered under the 24th amendment.

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."
Good point.

To avoid the 'poll tax' phony-baloney allegation, there is a simple work-around...

1. you cannot receive (apply, or renew) public assistance of any kind without a proper State-issued ID (drivers' license or non-driver's ID card)

2. you cannot enroll (yourself or your children) in school without a proper ID

3. you cannot purchase or rent a residence without a proper ID

4. you cannot obtain a library card without a proper ID

5. you cannot obtain medical services (at least beyond those of immediate and life-saving humanitarian nature) without a proper ID

6. you cannot obtain a bank account or cash a check or utilize wire-transfer services without a proper ID

7. you cannot do ten-thousand-and-one other things without a proper ID

That way, when States require the presentation of this ubiquitous ID in order to vote, it cannot be reasonably claimed to be a poll tax - primarily or otherwise.

There are a great many ways to skin the proverbial cat.
I'm not exactly looking for a work around. I dont support requiring people to pay for ID's.
People pay for State IDs all the time... it's not a Big Deal.
 
Is that not the upshot of your citation of the 15th?
No the bolded part is the upshot of my citation. Why would they say "right of citizens of the United States to vote" if there was in actuality no right to vote?
Ah, the old cart-before-the-horse scenario...

Nowhere does it say that the States may not require that a citizen PROVE that he is a citizen, before being allowed to exercise that right.

Proving membership-in-good-standing in the club should be a prerequisite to enjoying membership rights and benefits.

The Constitution does not, for example, allow foreigners to vote in our elections.

Proper identification is implicit in all of this.
You dont need an ID to prove you are a citizen. Charging someone for an ID in order to vote is a poll tax which is covered under the 24th amendment.

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."
Good point.

To avoid the 'poll tax' phony-baloney allegation, there is a simple work-around...

1. you cannot receive (apply, or renew) public assistance of any kind without a proper State-issued ID (drivers' license or non-driver's ID card)

2. you cannot enroll (yourself or your children) in school without a proper ID

3. you cannot purchase or rent a residence without a proper ID

4. you cannot obtain a library card without a proper ID

5. you cannot obtain medical services (at least beyond those of immediate and life-saving humanitarian nature) without a proper ID

6. you cannot obtain a bank account or cash a check or utilize wire-transfer services without a proper ID

7. you cannot do ten-thousand-and-one other things without a proper ID

That way, when States require the presentation of this ubiquitous ID in order to vote, it cannot be reasonably claimed to be a poll tax - primarily or otherwise.

There are a great many ways to skin the proverbial cat.
I'm not exactly looking for a work around. I dont support requiring people to pay for ID's.
How do propose the issuing agencies absorb that cost?
 
No the bolded part is the upshot of my citation. Why would they say "right of citizens of the United States to vote" if there was in actuality no right to vote?
Ah, the old cart-before-the-horse scenario...

Nowhere does it say that the States may not require that a citizen PROVE that he is a citizen, before being allowed to exercise that right.

Proving membership-in-good-standing in the club should be a prerequisite to enjoying membership rights and benefits.

The Constitution does not, for example, allow foreigners to vote in our elections.

Proper identification is implicit in all of this.
You dont need an ID to prove you are a citizen. Charging someone for an ID in order to vote is a poll tax which is covered under the 24th amendment.

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."
Good point.

To avoid the 'poll tax' phony-baloney allegation, there is a simple work-around...

1. you cannot receive (apply, or renew) public assistance of any kind without a proper State-issued ID (drivers' license or non-driver's ID card)

2. you cannot enroll (yourself or your children) in school without a proper ID

3. you cannot purchase or rent a residence without a proper ID

4. you cannot obtain a library card without a proper ID

5. you cannot obtain medical services (at least beyond those of immediate and life-saving humanitarian nature) without a proper ID

6. you cannot obtain a bank account or cash a check or utilize wire-transfer services without a proper ID

7. you cannot do ten-thousand-and-one other things without a proper ID

That way, when States require the presentation of this ubiquitous ID in order to vote, it cannot be reasonably claimed to be a poll tax - primarily or otherwise.

There are a great many ways to skin the proverbial cat.
I'm not exactly looking for a work around. I dont support requiring people to pay for ID's.
People pay for State IDs all the time... it's not a Big Deal.
Not all people. I said requiring.
 
No the bolded part is the upshot of my citation. Why would they say "right of citizens of the United States to vote" if there was in actuality no right to vote?
Ah, the old cart-before-the-horse scenario...

Nowhere does it say that the States may not require that a citizen PROVE that he is a citizen, before being allowed to exercise that right.

Proving membership-in-good-standing in the club should be a prerequisite to enjoying membership rights and benefits.

The Constitution does not, for example, allow foreigners to vote in our elections.

Proper identification is implicit in all of this.
You dont need an ID to prove you are a citizen. Charging someone for an ID in order to vote is a poll tax which is covered under the 24th amendment.

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."
Good point.

To avoid the 'poll tax' phony-baloney allegation, there is a simple work-around...

1. you cannot receive (apply, or renew) public assistance of any kind without a proper State-issued ID (drivers' license or non-driver's ID card)

2. you cannot enroll (yourself or your children) in school without a proper ID

3. you cannot purchase or rent a residence without a proper ID

4. you cannot obtain a library card without a proper ID

5. you cannot obtain medical services (at least beyond those of immediate and life-saving humanitarian nature) without a proper ID

6. you cannot obtain a bank account or cash a check or utilize wire-transfer services without a proper ID

7. you cannot do ten-thousand-and-one other things without a proper ID

That way, when States require the presentation of this ubiquitous ID in order to vote, it cannot be reasonably claimed to be a poll tax - primarily or otherwise.

There are a great many ways to skin the proverbial cat.
I'm not exactly looking for a work around. I dont support requiring people to pay for ID's.
How do propose the issuing agencies absorb that cost?
The same way they absorb the cost of war.
 

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