IRS makes deal with Atheists to Persecute Churches

First of all, I'm not surprised that Atheists and the IRS are engaged in underhanded tactics. A slithering snake is as a slithering snake does.

Secondly, there should be no laws prohibiting political activism within the church or anywhere else for that matter. The 1st Amendment protects EVERYONE'S right to freedom of religion AND speech. The IRS has to right to hinder those freedoms. A moral society is defined by its morals and those morals are defined by its citizens, collectively (including Christians and folks of other religions). Our Founding Fathers were primarily Christian and they were politically active. Some of the most moving political speeches were voiced from behind a pulpit.

The Founding Fathers were Deists who didn't really buy the nonsense in the Bible.

Churches get tax exemptions the rest of us don't enjoy.

And they shouldn't be involved in politics if they get that exemption.

Unions get tax exemptions that the rest of us do not enjoy.

Your point? Or is this more far left propaganda and talking points?

Just like unions should not be allowed to be in politics if they get an exemption. The only reason why churches can not donate is because of LBJ and his paranoia. Although if not for the church JFK may never had been elected.
 
Yep, I got my letter. A top priority is removing their tax-exempt status.

Of course that's the top priority of a Marxist like yourself:

"The power to tax involves the power to destroy," Chief Justice John Marshall

To have your Marxist utopia, you must destroy those who acknowledge the Old Testament.

Although, I must ask, will you also prevent Muslims from practicing their faith?

Muslims aren't causing me any trouble. It's just those dumbass Christians who want their cake and eat it too (politics and tax-exempt). I say **** them. Take away their tax-exempt status and let them **** around in politics all the Constitution will allow (keeping in mind separation of church and state).

Are you gonna do what churches do in the community? Feed the poor, shelter the homeless? I see liberals are claiming war on poor people.
 
Of course that's the top priority of a Marxist like yourself:



To have your Marxist utopia, you must destroy those who acknowledge the Old Testament.

Although, I must ask, will you also prevent Muslims from practicing their faith?

Are Muslims out there trying to influence elections? Then, yes, i am all for yanking their tax exempt status, too.

This is something you guys don't get. Churches should NOT be doing political activity. Social Welfare Agencies shouldn't. If you a claim an exemption and do politics, you are breaking the law.

Once again the far left just goes to show that programmed talking points and propaganda rule the day over facts and logic.

Ok so the unions are breaking the law then, they all need to be arrested and dismantled.

Unions shouldn't be tax exempt, community organizing shouldn't be either.
 
Yep, I got my letter. A top priority is removing their tax-exempt status.

Of course that's the top priority of a Marxist like yourself:

"The power to tax involves the power to destroy," Chief Justice John Marshall

To have your Marxist utopia, you must destroy those who acknowledge the Old Testament.

Although, I must ask, will you also prevent Muslims from practicing their faith?

Are Muslims out there trying to influence elections? Then, yes, i am all for yanking their tax exempt status, too.

This is something you guys don't get. Churches should NOT be doing political activity. Social Welfare Agencies shouldn't. If you a claim an exemption and do politics, you are breaking the law.

Fortunately, a "church" doesn't need a tax exemption to be a church. As a Christian and as a member of the "church universal" (an institution not established by men) I am politically active and will remain so with or without your approval (or the IRS's approval).
 
First of all, I'm not surprised that Atheists and the IRS are engaged in underhanded tactics. A slithering snake is as a slithering snake does.

Secondly, there should be no laws prohibiting political activism within the church or anywhere else for that matter. The 1st Amendment protects EVERYONE'S right to freedom of religion AND speech. The IRS has to right to hinder those freedoms. A moral society is defined by its morals and those morals are defined by its citizens, collectively (including Christians and folks of other religions). Our Founding Fathers were primarily Christian and they were politically active. Some of the most moving political speeches were voiced from behind a pulpit.

The Founding Fathers were Deists who didn't really buy the nonsense in the Bible.

Churches get tax exemptions the rest of us don't enjoy.

And they shouldn't be involved in politics if they get that exemption.

100% B.S. The vast majority of the Founders were Christians. The earliest Congress sponsored the printing of the Holy Bible.

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Get your facts straight and stop lying.
 
First of all, I'm not surprised that Atheists and the IRS are engaged in underhanded tactics. A slithering snake is as a slithering snake does.

Secondly, there should be no laws prohibiting political activism within the church or anywhere else for that matter. The 1st Amendment protects EVERYONE'S right to freedom of religion AND speech. The IRS has to right to hinder those freedoms. A moral society is defined by its morals and those morals are defined by its citizens, collectively (including Christians and folks of other religions). Our Founding Fathers were primarily Christian and they were politically active. Some of the most moving political speeches were voiced from behind a pulpit.

The Founding Fathers were Deists who didn't really buy the nonsense in the Bible.

Churches get tax exemptions the rest of us don't enjoy.

And they shouldn't be involved in politics if they get that exemption.

100% B.S. The vast majority of the Founders were Christians. The earliest Congress sponsored the printing of the Holy Bible.

Get your facts straight and stop lying.
Neither of you have your stories correct, and one of you listens to David Barton, who is wrong.
 
The Founding Fathers were Deists who didn't really buy the nonsense in the Bible.

Churches get tax exemptions the rest of us don't enjoy.

And they shouldn't be involved in politics if they get that exemption.

100% B.S. The vast majority of the Founders were Christians. The earliest Congress sponsored the printing of the Holy Bible.

Get your facts straight and stop lying.
Neither of you have your stories correct, and one of you listens to David Barton, who is wrong.

David Barton presents more historical facts than you possess in your little finger.

Here he is presenting some undeniable facts (whether you like them or not):

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwvkcXBNm3Q]Mike Huckabee David Barton Founders of the Constitution 080109.flv - YouTube[/ame]
 
From the "official" site run and operated by the Library of Congress:

The Continental-Confederation Congress, a legislative body that governed the United States from 1774 to 1789, contained an extraordinary number of deeply religious men. The amount of energy that Congress invested in encouraging the practice of religion in the new nation exceeded that expended by any subsequent American national government. Although the Articles of Confederation did not officially authorize Congress to concern itself with religion, the citizenry did not object to such activities. This lack of objection suggests that both the legislators and the public considered it appropriate for the national government to promote a nondenominational, nonpolemical Christianity.

Congress appointed chaplains for itself and the armed forces, sponsored the publication of a Bible, imposed Christian morality on the armed forces, and granted public lands to promote Christianity among the Indians. National days of thanksgiving and of "humiliation, fasting, and prayer" were proclaimed by Congress at least twice a year throughout the war. Congress was guided by "covenant theology," a Reformation doctrine especially dear to New England Puritans, which held that God bound himself in an agreement with a nation and its people. This agreement stipulated that they "should be prosperous or afflicted, according as their general Obedience or Disobedience thereto appears." Wars and revolutions were, accordingly, considered afflictions, as divine punishments for sin, from which a nation could rescue itself by repentance and reformation.

Religion and the Congress of the Confederation - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic | Exhibitions (Library of Congress)

On July 4, 1776, Congress appointed Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams "to bring in a device for a seal for the United States of America." Franklin's proposal adapted the biblical story of the parting of the Red Sea (left). Jefferson first recommended the "Children of Israel in the Wilderness, led by a Cloud by Day, and a Pillar of Fire by night. . . ." He then embraced Franklin's proposal and rewrote it (right). Jefferson's revision of Franklin's proposal was presented by the committee to Congress on August 20. Although not accepted these drafts reveal the religious temper of the Revolutionary period. Franklin and Jefferson were among the most theologically liberal of the Founders, yet they used biblical imagery for this important task.
 
Churches should not be sponsoring political action....

A person's religion deeply effects his or her day to day life. A person's politics should reflect his or her moral beliefs. Therefore, religion and politics are intimately intertwined. I vote based on my conscience and my conscience is deeply affected by my religious convictions. I vote for moral individuals whom I agree with. There is no separation of "church and state" in my personal life.
 
The Founding Fathers were Deists who didn't really buy the nonsense in the Bible.

Churches get tax exemptions the rest of us don't enjoy.

And they shouldn't be involved in politics if they get that exemption.

100% B.S. The vast majority of the Founders were Christians. The earliest Congress sponsored the printing of the Holy Bible.

Get your facts straight and stop lying.
Neither of you have your stories correct, and one of you listens to David Barton, who is wrong.

You are the one who is wrong
The Vast Majority was Christians.

3 were deists out of the 204.
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Franklin
Cornelius Harnett

Religion of the Founding Fathers of America
 
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If Churches did not have prohibitions against speech they could say anything they wanted. They should voluntarily give up tax exempt status and have entire sermons on how bad obama is, or include Biblical passages against homosexuality every Sunday.
 
100% B.S. The vast majority of the Founders were Christians. The earliest Congress sponsored the printing of the Holy Bible.

Get your facts straight and stop lying.
Neither of you have your stories correct, and one of you listens to David Barton, who is wrong.

You are the one who is wrong
The Vast Majority was Christians.

3 were deists out of the 204.
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Franklin
Cornelius Harnett

Religion of the Founding Fathers of America

And even Jefferson considered himself to be a Christian per the notation found written by him in his personal Bible:

"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our creator."

Thomas Jefferson
 
If Churches did not have prohibitions against speech they could say anything they wanted. They should voluntarily give up tax exempt status and have entire sermons on how bad obama is, or include Biblical passages against homosexuality every Sunday.

I happen to agree with you. There are many ways God's Church can meet without the need of an institutional building with stained glass windows. I've had "church" many times just driving down the freeway with a group of fellow Christians.
 
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