Iraq: Greatest blunder in the history of American foreign policy

[Two Thumbs]

Of course the Bush apologists might claim that we all thought Saddam had WMD. but that is no excuse for a war of aggression. Pakistan Definitely has WMD - that would not excuse China annexing the country or even an invasion by India. Moreover the intelligence community KNEW that the chemical warfare capability that a Republican administration GAVE to Iraq was rendered useless by time - over time the chemicals became inert and the plants that were given Iraq to produce them had been destroyed by bombing so they had no useful chemical weapons. That would be a fact only scientists would be able testaments to at the time the drumbeats for the Iraq war drowned out all reason. But members of Congress knew the once fearful chemical weapons capability repoublicans gave Saddam were 'useless goo' after 5 years
War on Truth: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know about the Invasion of Iraq ... - Neil Mackay - Google Books
It's a good thing that Iraq's President was removed from office. If the President had any guts he would simply have assassinated him instead of committing the greatest strategic blunder in US history by a war of aggression that killed thousands of american and tens of thousands of Iraqi's. That was a bit like killing a snalke on the deck of a boat with a cannon.
Iraq: The Biggest Mistake In American Military History - Forbes

Iraq? Iraq not even on the short list of **** ups

There's;
Korea
Viet Nam
League of Nations
NATO
the UN
Creating Israel
Splitting Germany
Nuking Japan (not to me, but some apologist would)

jesus, read an actual history book some time

 

[velvtacheeze]

Of course the Bush apologists might claim that we all thought Saddam had WMD. but that is no excuse for a war of aggression. Pakistan Definitely has WMD - that would not excuse China annexing the country or even an invasion by India. Moreover the intelligence community KNEW that the chemical warfare capability that a Republican administration GAVE to Iraq was rendered useless by time - over time the chemicals became inert and the plants that were given Iraq to produce them had been destroyed by bombing so they had no useful chemical weapons. That would be a fact only scientists would be able testaments to at the time the drumbeats for the Iraq war drowned out all reason. But members of Congress knew the once fearful chemical weapons capability repoublicans gave Saddam were 'useless goo' after 5 years
War on Truth: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know about the Invasion of Iraq ... - Neil Mackay - Google Books
It's a good thing that Iraq's President was removed from office. If the President had any guts he would simply have assassinated him instead of committing the greatest strategic blunder in US history by a war of aggression that killed thousands of american and tens of thousands of Iraqi's. That was a bit like killing a snalke on the deck of a boat with a cannon.
Iraq: The Biggest Mistake In American Military History - Forbes

Two Presidential elections in a row, and the Right still can't bring themselves to admit that the Iraq War was a mistake, and that most Americans think it was a mistake and blame the GOP for it.

The right in this country does not learn from their mistakes.

I knew it was a mistake when Bush proposed it, but only because we were already at war in Afghanistan. Everyone with half a brain knows that Saddam had WMDs. It was the right idea, but the wrong time. That was the mistake.

Iraq didn't have any WMD. Quit lying to yourself about that. We're trying to help you.

 

[Caroljo]

I knew it was a mistake when Bush proposed it, but only because we were already at war in Afghanistan. Everyone with half a brain knows that Saddam had WMDs. It was the right idea, but the wrong time. That was the mistake.

And Bush made the mistake of waiting for MONTHS to go in and get him....he took too much time and the WMD was trucked out of the country. And of course these libs will NEVER admit that the majority of dems were all for getting him. They all said he had WMD and agreed we had to go in. But it's ALLLLL Bush's fault! Will they ever grow up??

Any WMD that Iraq possessed pale in comparison to what the US military did to the children of Iraq:

"It sounds at first as if the old man were drunk.

"Or perhaps as though he had been reading Greek myths. But Askar Bin Said doesn't read anything, especially not books, and there is no alcohol in Basra.

"In fact, he says, he saw the creatures he describes with his own eyes: 'Some had only one eye in the forehead. Or two heads. One had a tail like a skinned lamb. Another one looked like a perfectly normal child, but with a monkey's face. Or the girl whose legs had grown together, half fish, half human."

"The babies Askar Bin Said describes were brought to him. He washed them and wrapped them in shrouds, and then he buried them in the dry soil, littered with bits of plastic and can lids, of his own cemetery, which has been in his family for five generations. It's a cemetery only for children."

Americans who planned and took part in the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq are war criminals.
History will be clear on that fact.
It's pathetic that some Americans still believe every lie the Pentagon and Wall Street told.

Researchers Studying High Rates of Cancer and Birth Defects in Iraq - SPIEGEL ONLINE

F you........

 

[Sallow]

Every post WWII military adventure has been a blunder.

I disagree.

The Balkans was an absolute success for all the right reasons.

And although I didn't agree with the invasion of Panama..it was another success and did do good for that country.

 

[Sallow]

"Though sought by the U.S., involvement of SEATO in the Vietnam War was denied because of lack of British and French cooperation."

The US involvement in Vietnam was a classic example of state-supported terrorism, and its morality was on full display in "Pinkville"

"The My Lai Massacre (Vietnamese: thảm sát Mỹ Lai [tʰɐ̃ːm ʂɐ̌ːt mǐˀ lɐːj], [mǐˀlɐːj] ( listen); /ˌmiːˈlaɪ/, /ˌmiːˈleɪ/, or /ˌmaɪˈlaɪ/)[1] was the Vietnam War mass murder of between 347 and 504 unarmed civilians in South Vietnam on March 16, 1968, by United States Army soldiers of 'Charlie' Company of 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the Americal Division.

"Most of the victims were women, children, infants, and elderly people. Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies were later found to be mutilated[2] and many women were allegedly raped prior to the killings."

My Lai Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why are you propagating old lies of American Exceptionalism?

AND WHY are you and the MSM obsessed with the EXCEPTION and not the rule?

MY Lai was the rare and exceptionally WRONG behavior by less then 0.005% of the more than 460,000 American troops were stationed in Vietnam by the end of 1967.

And NO one not even the ARMY by charging Calley with several counts of premeditated murder, and 25 men were charged with related crimes
disagree that this EXTREMELY RARE and Disgusting behavior should be punished .

Calley was convicted and sentenced to life in prison, but two days later, President Nixon released him and sent him to Fort Benning, Georgia, where he spent three-and-a-half years under house arrest. A federal judge then ordered him freed.
Calley's conviction was the only one of the 26 men who had faced charges.
SOURCE: My Lai Massacre

WHY do you think that happened? But you idiots MADE IT SOUND LIKE EVERY ONE in the military did these actions EVERY DAY EVERY WHERE!

BUT THAT WAS AN EXCEPTIONAL and RARE behavior by ONE person who was convicted!

ONE out of 450,000 0.005%!!! and YOU and the idiots like you make in sound like it was DONE by every single soldier of the 450,000 in Vietnam!

YOU and Kerry and others of your ilk TAKE the RARE behavior and make it sound routine! Make it sound LIKE every American soldier is a rapist.
Tie batteries to genitals! Cut ears off! EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER is a barbarian!
YOU and these idiots though are the traitors!

YES NO one disagrees My Lai was wrong but ONLY IDIOTS like you and the MSM playing into the hands of the bad guys MAKE it sound like EVERY American and Every American SOLDIER are barbarians! RAPE! PILLAGE!
THAT's ALL our troops are thinking of when they hand out candy to kids with bombs strapped to their bodies and you like the MSM/Traitors like KERRY give the ENEMY all sort of vindication for blowing Americans apart as well as the kids...
BECAUSE AFTER ALL ALL American soldiers ALL rape, cut off ears, kill women children...
why even the President of the USA says military planners methodically set about to air raid villages and PLAN to kill civilians!

So what do you think the rest of the world thinks of YOU and the REST of us Americans when less then 25 soldiers were finally charged and ONE convicted?

For a RARE and highly unusual EVENT!

But of course YOU and the REST of the world doesn't KNOW how many soldiers have given their lives to save Vietnamese/Iraqis!

YOU make me want to vomit because of YOU and your disgusting MSM ILK you do everything you can to present America and our troops as the bad guys!
PUKE on you!!!

Are you really stupid enough to believe what you post, or is it a slow day 'round the ol' frat-house?

"Rape was as common as murder.

"A veteran from the 198th Light Infantry Brigade is quoted by Turse as saying that he knew of 10 to 15 rapes of young girls by soldiers from his unit 'within a span of just six or seven months.'

"A Vietnamese woman in an Army report Turse quotes said she was detained by troops from the 173rd Airborne Brigade and 'then raped by approximately ten soldiers.' 'In another incident,' Turse writes, 'eleven members of one squad from the 23rd Infantry Division raped a Vietnamese girl.

"As word spread, another squad traveled to the scene to join in. In a third incident, an American GI recalled seeing a Vietnamese woman who was hardly able to walk after she had been gang-raped by thirteen soldiers.'

"A Marine in the book spoke about a nine-man squad that entered a village to hunt for 'a Viet Cong whore.' The squad found a woman, raped her and then shot her through the head."

My Lai was not the exception; it was the rule.
Sissy revisionists like yourself are afraid to look at the actual record possibly because you'll discover American Exceptionalism is just another lie the rich tell.

Chris Hedges: Kill Anything That Moves - Book Review - Truthdig

It's just amazing the Conservatives will jump on every ugly event committed by another country to display how evil they are..but conveniently forget some of the ugly events perpetrated by this country.

Some 2-3 million people in southeast asia died as a result of American actions.

And it wasn't pretty.

 

[georgephillip]

Conservatives aren't adept at learning from their mistakes.
When and if an economic collapse makes it impossible for Wall Street and the Pentagon to borrow enough money to kill Muslims on the other side of the planet, they will start killing Catholic Americans in Mexico, and their loyal conservative slaves will fall into line, just as they always do.

 

[georgephillip]

And Bush made the mistake of waiting for MONTHS to go in and get him....he took too much time and the WMD was trucked out of the country. And of course these libs will NEVER admit that the majority of dems were all for getting him. They all said he had WMD and agreed we had to go in. But it's ALLLLL Bush's fault! Will they ever grow up??

Any WMD that Iraq possessed pale in comparison to what the US military did to the children of Iraq:

"It sounds at first as if the old man were drunk.

"Or perhaps as though he had been reading Greek myths. But Askar Bin Said doesn't read anything, especially not books, and there is no alcohol in Basra.

"In fact, he says, he saw the creatures he describes with his own eyes: 'Some had only one eye in the forehead. Or two heads. One had a tail like a skinned lamb. Another one looked like a perfectly normal child, but with a monkey's face. Or the girl whose legs had grown together, half fish, half human."

"The babies Askar Bin Said describes were brought to him. He washed them and wrapped them in shrouds, and then he buried them in the dry soil, littered with bits of plastic and can lids, of his own cemetery, which has been in his family for five generations. It's a cemetery only for children."

Americans who planned and took part in the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq are war criminals.
History will be clear on that fact.
It's pathetic that some Americans still believe every lie the Pentagon and Wall Street told.

Researchers Studying High Rates of Cancer and Birth Defects in Iraq - SPIEGEL ONLINE

F you........

Imagine what Iraqi mothers endure:

"Though they are small, the graves are crowded so tightly together that they are almost on top of one another. They look as if someone had overturned toy wheelbarrows full of cement and then scratched the names and dates of death into it before it hardened. In many cases, there isn't even room for the birth date. But it doesn't really matter, because in most cases the two dates are the same."

Researchers Studying High Rates of Cancer and Birth Defects in Iraq - SPIEGEL ONLINE

 

[bendog]

It's an unsolvable question.

W didn't have this in mind for a stable Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/kerry-warns-iraq-iran-flights-syria-132200384--politics.html

On the other hand, if we think Assad is brutal, he's a mere piker at suppressing democratic outbursts compared to Saddam, and Mubarak was decidely liberal in comparaison to either.

But to think the US is somehow safer for the expediture of 4000 dead, 31000 (or so) wounded and two-three trillion dollars .... is as absurd as was was W's folly on its face.

 

[Caroljo]

Any WMD that Iraq possessed pale in comparison to what the US military did to the children of Iraq:

"It sounds at first as if the old man were drunk.

"Or perhaps as though he had been reading Greek myths. But Askar Bin Said doesn't read anything, especially not books, and there is no alcohol in Basra.

"In fact, he says, he saw the creatures he describes with his own eyes: 'Some had only one eye in the forehead. Or two heads. One had a tail like a skinned lamb. Another one looked like a perfectly normal child, but with a monkey's face. Or the girl whose legs had grown together, half fish, half human."

"The babies Askar Bin Said describes were brought to him. He washed them and wrapped them in shrouds, and then he buried them in the dry soil, littered with bits of plastic and can lids, of his own cemetery, which has been in his family for five generations. It's a cemetery only for children."

Americans who planned and took part in the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq are war criminals.
History will be clear on that fact.
It's pathetic that some Americans still believe every lie the Pentagon and Wall Street told.

Researchers Studying High Rates of Cancer and Birth Defects in Iraq - SPIEGEL ONLINE

F you........

Imagine what Iraqi mothers endure:

"Though they are small, the graves are crowded so tightly together that they are almost on top of one another. They look as if someone had overturned toy wheelbarrows full of cement and then scratched the names and dates of death into it before it hardened. In many cases, there isn't even room for the birth date. But it doesn't really matter, because in most cases the two dates are the same."

Researchers Studying High Rates of Cancer and Birth Defects in Iraq - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Imagine what American mothers endure......

When their sons or daughters are captured and tortured.

It's war....shit happens. Do you think i enjoyed the 3 times my son was deployed to Iraq? Our military are not murderers. I know there have been some that have done some pretty stupid things, but the majority of our soldiers are their doing their job and like i said, shit happens. You spewing this kind of propaganda is sickening. It's people like you that give the terrorists the will to go on and keep killing, even their own people! Most of the kids that have been killed are from their own country raised terrorists, the suicide bombers, who go into crowded areas and blow up as many people as they can.

 

[georgephillip]

Apparently the shit only happens to the others' mothers:

"On the war's ten-year anniversary, Democracy Now! spoke with Dahr Jamail, an Al Jazeera reporter who recently returned from Iraq. Jamail recounts meeting Dr. Samira Alani, a doctor in the city of Fallujah focusing on the issue of birth defects.

"She said it's common now in Fallujah for newborns to come out with massive multiple systemic defects, immune problems, massive central nervous system problems, massive heart problems, skeletal disorders, babies being born with two heads, babies being born with half of their internal organs outside of their bodies, cyclops babies literally with one eye -- really, really, really horrific nightmarish types of birth defects.

"Jamail says that the current rate of birth defects for the city of Fallujah has surpassed those of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the nuclear attacks at the end of World War II."

Iraq War Anniversary: Birth Defects And Cancer Rates At Devastating High In Basra And Fallujah (VIDEO)

US mothers who supported their sons' decision to serve three times in an illegal invasion and occupation give "terrorists" the will to resist foreign invasion and occupation.