iran's embargo is a product of EU and USA mis policy!

[daveman]

toomuchtime_,

What's bizarre to imagine is that there will NEVER be a point at which the rest of the world will suddenly wake up and take measures to reign in the US government. In light of the shrill chorus raised in opposition to the US's beating of the war drums during the last few months of 2011 (a chorus that succeeded in changing the US/Israeli approach to its present tenor -- with Israel as a solo drummer and the US as the apparent peace-maker), a conflict with Iran could well be the catalyst to such a turning point.

The worst thing the western power elite could do is underestimate just how tired the world has grown of their antics.

I'll give a shit what the rest of the world thinks when they give a shit about what I think.

 

[daveman]

ropey there are lots human rights violance in US see the crackdown taken by the police to hit all demosntrants against vietnam war in '68 - '70s. also riot or rasists unrest between black man and white, also in year 1968. so we don't talk for domestic dispute but international conflict. you're not deserve to invade or disrupt other state sovereignity. period! and i do believe iranian always being cohesive, straight from the leader to the ordinary people. so? you do not use " fuck " please! that's a dirty word okay? we don't use that! and please behave! iran is a great counrty! like you're always gracing your country too! iran is the same! even better! you don't believe God we believe It!

Eat shit. You don't have the horsepower to come to an American message board and dictate behavior.

 

[toomuchtime_]

toomuchtime_,

What's bizarre to imagine is that there will NEVER be a point at which the rest of the world will suddenly wake up and take measures to reign in the US government. In light of the shrill chorus raised in opposition to the US's beating of the war drums during the last few months of 2011 (a chorus that succeeded in changing the US/Israeli approach to its present tenor -- with Israel as a solo drummer and the US as the apparent peace-maker), a conflict with Iran could well be the catalyst to such a turning point.

The worst thing the western power elite could do is underestimate just how tired the world has grown of their antics.

This may be what you want to believe, but there is no basis in fact or logic for believing it. Russia and China have nothing but business relations with Iran, and an Israeli or US attack on Iran's nuclear weapons and long range missile programs will benefit Russia and China. With continuing sanctions, Chinese oil companies will be able to continue to demand discounts on hard to sell Iranian oil and everything Israel or the US blows up or shoots down will mean new orders to Russian defense industries. As long as Russia and China are satisfied the US will not try to take over Iran, regardless of their rhetoric, they will have no reason to take any sort of action.

 

[toomuchtime_]

toomuchtime you're too much bullshit!
arab state including iran especially iran they are all in cohesive situation. islam is cohesive. they know USA and british will always looking for their mistakes! will always peeping out many mistakes as a spacegoat! really unfair! so that's what the 3 musketeers always do! israel, USA, dan british! period! arab league will not feel threat with iran! the are all in a cohesive league!

You need to go back to school. Iran is a Muslim state but not an Arab state, and there is nothing "cohesive" about Islam. Iraqis and Iranians slaughtered each other for nearly a decade, and at the end of that war Iraqis preceded to slaughter Kuwaitis, and through all of this Sunnis and Shia continued their centuries old bloodbaths. There are many other examples of Muslims slaughtering Muslims for petty reasons. Egypt and Saudi Arabia fighting a proxy war in Yemen for years and the Assads slaughtering political dissenters in Syria as well as the mass murders of communists and socialists in Iran after the revolution.

In most of the Muslim world, political Islam has long been regarded as the enemy of the state, and where the state cannot control it as Saudi Arabia does, it has been outlawed as it was in Egypt, Syria, Iraq and many other places. The only cohesiveness exhibited by the Muslim states in occasional outbursts of anti western rhetoric, but issue by issue when action is called there is no cohesiveness of purpose and the ME and Central Asian Muslim states are fragmented.

 

[Capstone]

..."Most tyrannical empire"? [...]

Maybe not of all time, but as the most prolific warmonger of the few empires "remaining on the planet" (to quote the portion of my statement that you neglected to quote), it could be argued that the US qualifies as "the most tyrannical empire remaining on the planet" ...by default. Moreover, taking into account the legislative assault on its own citizens -- from the so-called Patriot Act to the NDAA -- it's clear that the tryanny hasn't been reserved solely for foreign nationals.

I'll give a shit what the rest of the world thinks when they give a shit about what I think.

My, how beautifully you fit the stereotypical mold of the "proud conservative". -- Congratulations.

 

[Capstone]

This may be what you want to believe, but there is no basis in fact or logic for believing it.

Ah, so shit like this hasn't been happening left and right ever since the US started ramping up the war rhetoric?

An excerpt:

Russia and China have often voiced unity in opposition to perceived U.S. global dominance. As permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, they have expressed opposition to Western-led resolutions, including an effort to condemn Syria's bloody crackdown on anti-government protests. [...] "The task of preserving global peace and promoting common development is getting more arduous and more onerous," Chinese President Hu Jintao said.

Believe as you will, TMT (and I'll do the same); but remember our little back-and-forth here. Maybe someday we'll have the good fortune of being allowed to revisit this topic with the added benefit of hindsight.

Peace.

 

[daveman]

..."Most tyrannical empire"? [...]

Maybe not of all time, but as the most prolific warmonger of the few empires "remaining on the planet" (to quote the portion of my statement that you neglected to quote), it could be argued that the US qualifies as "the most tyrannical empire remaining on the planet" ...by default. Moreover, taking into account the legislative assault on its own citizens -- from the so-called Patriot Act to the NDAA -- it's clear that the tryanny hasn't been reserved solely for foreign nationals.

We SUCK at tyranny. Have you ever been anywhere else in the world? If you have, then you'd know how good you have it here. Dumbass.

I'll give a shit what the rest of the world thinks when they give a shit about what I think.

My, how beautifully you fit the stereotypical mold of the "proud conservative". -- Congratulations.

Yeah, sorry I'm not a weepy sissy bedwetter leftist who wants to give other nations a say in how we run our affairs.

They thank you for your useful idiocy, but they still hate you. Dumbass.

 

[Capstone]

Oh, and Daveman, for posterity's sake and to circumvent the charge that my silence could be taken as an affirmation of one of your earlier posts, I've never served in any branch of the US Military.

My current avatar, like the other three I've used on site, is simply a stone wearing some kind of cap. I chose the helmet purely for the visual effect, though I did stop short of placing two spherical balls at the base. Hey, it sorta looks like you, doesn't it...

 

[daveman]

Oh, and Daveman, for posterity's sake and to circumvent the charge that my silence could be taken as an affirmation of one of your earlier posts, I've never served in any branch of the US Military.

Gasp. No, really. I'm shocked.

Have you done anything? I mean besides post on the internet?

My current avatar, like the other three I've used on site, is simply a stone wearing some kind of cap. I chose the helmet purely for the visual effect, though I did stop short of placing two spherical balls at the base. Hey, it sorta looks like you, doesn't it...

If you put balls on it, your total count would be two.

 

[Capstone]

If you put balls on it, your total count would be two.

...but then it wouldn't look like you anymore.

 

[Capstone]

Just one more thing, Dave: while I've no desire whatsoever to "impress [you]" with a list of real life accomplishments, I am proud to say that racking up more than 27,000 posts on an internet discussion board in less than two years ...wouldn't even sniff such a list.

Once again, congratulations.

 

[daveman]

If you put balls on it, your total count would be two.

...but then it wouldn't look like you anymore.

It didn't look like me at all.

 

[daveman]

Just one more thing, Dave: while I've no desire whatsoever to "impress [you]" with a list of real life accomplishments, I am proud to say that racking up more than 27,000 posts on an internet discussion board in less than two years ...wouldn't even sniff such a list.

Once again, congratulations.

It's a good thing I don't put that on my resume, huh?

I hear leftists like to call it "raising awareness" and pretend it's an actual accomplishment.

 

[Ropey]

Just one more thing, Dave: while I've no desire whatsoever to "impress [you]" with a list of real life accomplishments, I am proud to say that racking up more than 27,000 posts on an internet discussion board in less than two years ...wouldn't even sniff such a list.

Once again, congratulations.

It's a good thing I don't put that on my resume, huh?

I hear leftists like to call it "raising awareness" and pretend it's an actual accomplishment.