Iranian information

[Nik]

One thing I've been a bit amazed at here, is the lack of respect for what is going on in Iran. Its actually a rather amazing, and in many ways unfortunate, event. There are mass beatings going on and the stories are telling some pretty terrible tales. There is obviously propaganda on both sides, but I propose this thread be a thread for current events in Iran. Rumors, as well as fact. Of course if they are rumors, please note that they are rumors.

Some sources for whats going on:

The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan

Talking Points Memo | Breaking News and Analysis (Although not that current)

tehranbureau (Has gone down because of DoS attacks, but currentl up)

Landslide or Fraud? The Debate Online Over Iran’s Election Results - The Lede Blog - NYTimes.com

Feel free to add your own sources, these are just a beginning.

WARNING:

There are going to be graphic video/pictures. There is blood involved and people are being beaten, sometimes severely. Not for the faint of heart.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I am more worried about the shit going on in this country.

 

[Annie]

Sullivan has been carrying good info on Iran. I posted this link before, Michael Totten has spent considerable time in Iran and has good info:

http://www.michaeltotten.com/

 

[Nik]

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[Nik]

Iran supreme leader orders probe of election | TPM News Pages

Iranian Supreme leader appoints council to investigate allegations of fraud.

 

[Nik]

Iranian student

 

[Nik]

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Rallies going on right now. Illegal rallies, I might add...apparently Mousavi just addressed the crowd.

 

[Nik]

State media are, for some reason, reporting on the rallies. Its unclear exactly what this means, and what the end result of this will be. I'm hoping that the state is changing its mind and doesn't want anymore brutality. There are reports that they've been authorized to use live ammunition for the first time though....so this might turn very, very bad.

 

[Nik]

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Video of protestors protecting a policeman.

 

[Nik]

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Video of protestors protecting a BBC reporter.

 

[Tech_Esq]

70% of the population was born after the "revolution" they may think it's time for a change.

I have some Iranian friends here. They still go back every year. They were hoping the US would do the "regime change" in Iran too. They were very depressed a few years ago when I told them I thought the chances were very slim that the US would do that.

I think the "Supreme Leader" will throw AckIneedajob straight under the bus if it looks like a serious revolt is coming.

 

[Tech_Esq]

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Video of protestors protecting a BBC reporter.

A little disappointing that the US could not say what the Canadians did. Perhaps now that they have led the way, we can follow their lead.

 

[WillowTree]

One thing I've been a bit amazed at here, is the lack of respect for what is going on in Iran. Its actually a rather amazing, and in many ways unfortunate, event. There are mass beatings going on and the stories are telling some pretty terrible tales. There is obviously propaganda on both sides, but I propose this thread be a thread for current events in Iran. Rumors, as well as fact. Of course if they are rumors, please note that they are rumors.

Some sources for whats going on:

The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan

Talking Points Memo | Breaking News and Analysis (Although not that current)

tehranbureau (Has gone down because of DoS attacks, but currentl up)

Landslide or Fraud? The Debate Online Over Iran’s Election Results - The Lede Blog - NYTimes.com

Feel free to add your own sources, these are just a beginning.

WARNING:

There are going to be graphic video/pictures. There is blood involved and people are being beaten, sometimes severely. Not for the faint of heart.

What lack of respect are you talking about exactly? who, what, when, and where?

 

[Nik]

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Video of protestors protecting a BBC reporter.

A little disappointing that the US could not say what the Canadians did. Perhaps now that they have led the way, we can follow their lead.

What is this in reference too?

 

[Tech_Esq]

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Video of protestors protecting a BBC reporter.

A little disappointing that the US could not say what the Canadians did. Perhaps now that they have led the way, we can follow their lead.

What is this in reference too?

Did you watch the clip you posted? It ends with statements from Hillary and the Canadian Foreign minister.

 

[Nik]

A little disappointing that the US could not say what the Canadians did. Perhaps now that they have led the way, we can follow their lead.

What is this in reference too?

Did you watch the clip you posted? It ends with statements from Hillary and the Canadian Foreign minister.

I did, but I can't listen to sound at work.

 

[Tech_Esq]

What is this in reference too?

Did you watch the clip you posted? It ends with statements from Hillary and the Canadian Foreign minister.

I did, but I can't listen to sound at work.

I see. Well basically, Hillary said the US was monitoring events and the US hopes that the outcome of the events will reflect the true will of the people.

The Canadian minister said that the Canadian government continues to be troubled over reports of voting irregularities in the recent election and is further troubled by reports of government action in the last two days.

The Canadians went MUCH farther in calling out the Iranian government than the US statement.

 

[Nik]

Did you watch the clip you posted? It ends with statements from Hillary and the Canadian Foreign minister.

I did, but I can't listen to sound at work.

I see. Well basically, Hillary said the US was monitoring events and the US hopes that the outcome of the events will reflect the true will of the people.

The Canadian minister said that the Canadian government continues to be troubled over reports of voting irregularities in the recent election and is further troubled by reports of government action in the last two days.

The Canadians went MUCH farther in calling out the Iranian government than the US statement.

Thank you. Yes...I agree the US should be calling out whats happening in Iran, but I think that we (more than other countries) need to be very careful about what we say. The last thing we want to do is lend an air of legitimacy to claims that this is just a US backed coup attempt.

Speaking of which, I know there have been some scattered reports of US officials speaking out against whats been happening, including Biden yesterday.

It would be nice if there were more American news organizations calling this out as well. Apparently CNN had nothing at all on Iran for a while, and there have been a lot of news organizations/pundits who have come out supporting the results, or saying that it doesn't matter if Ahmadinejad wins or not.

 

[Tech_Esq]

I did, but I can't listen to sound at work.

I see. Well basically, Hillary said the US was monitoring events and the US hopes that the outcome of the events will reflect the true will of the people.

The Canadian minister said that the Canadian government continues to be troubled over reports of voting irregularities in the recent election and is further troubled by reports of government action in the last two days.

The Canadians went MUCH farther in calling out the Iranian government than the US statement.

Thank you. Yes...I agree the US should be calling out whats happening in Iran, but I think that we (more than other countries) need to be very careful about what we say. The last thing we want to do is lend an air of legitimacy to claims that this is just a US backed coup attempt.

Speaking of which, I know there have been some scattered reports of US officials speaking out against whats been happening, including Biden yesterday.

It would be nice if there were more American news organizations calling this out as well. Apparently CNN had nothing at all on Iran for a while, and there have been a lot of news organizations/pundits who have come out supporting the results, or saying that it doesn't matter if Ahmadinejad wins or not.

I've actually seen more on CNN than on FOX. CNN had some live reports over the weekend and they showed some footage this morning.

I think there is probably a very real chance that the US is at the very least taking the opportunity to spread some gasoline on the fire in Iran covertly.

We've had covert ops in Iran for years waiting for a catalyst.

 

[Nik]

I see. Well basically, Hillary said the US was monitoring events and the US hopes that the outcome of the events will reflect the true will of the people.

The Canadian minister said that the Canadian government continues to be troubled over reports of voting irregularities in the recent election and is further troubled by reports of government action in the last two days.

The Canadians went MUCH farther in calling out the Iranian government than the US statement.

Thank you. Yes...I agree the US should be calling out whats happening in Iran, but I think that we (more than other countries) need to be very careful about what we say. The last thing we want to do is lend an air of legitimacy to claims that this is just a US backed coup attempt.

Speaking of which, I know there have been some scattered reports of US officials speaking out against whats been happening, including Biden yesterday.

It would be nice if there were more American news organizations calling this out as well. Apparently CNN had nothing at all on Iran for a while, and there have been a lot of news organizations/pundits who have come out supporting the results, or saying that it doesn't matter if Ahmadinejad wins or not.

I've actually seen more on CNN than on FOX. CNN had some live reports over the weekend and they showed some footage this morning.

Supposedly CNN had nothing at ALL for a day or two, and then they got reamed on it which is why they are now trying to make up for it. I don't have a TV, so this is all second hand knowledge tho.

I think there is probably a very real chance that the US is at the very least taking the opportunity to spread some gasoline on the fire in Iran covertly.

We've had covert ops in Iran for years waiting for a catalyst.

Wouldn't surprise me, but if it goes from covert to outright support I think we've got a problem.