Internet gun sales...they don't get sent to your house...

[Missourian]

Very informative - thank you.

Wouldn’t it be easier to have your local special order the one you want?

Easier? Probably not. But it's been a long time since I special ordered locally as using a site like Buds already makes it as easy as buying locally.

A local special order might take weeks or even months. When you order online, the retailer has the item in stock an simply ships it to your FFL. Your local gun store might only purchace from factory distributors (in order to get the best price for themselves)...so you're at the mercy of the factory inventory and logistics.

Plus...more competition means more competitive pricing.

Since the process of online buying from a safety perspective is fundamentally no different from special ordering locally, but gives the customer access to lower prices and speedier acquisition compared to special order...well...the proof is in the pudding...

...I never special order and almost exclusively buy new firearms online.

 

[meaner gene]

interesting
I tried to ship a rifle back to the factory for repair, and USPS wouldn't touch it.

Guess the lady working the counter at the Post office didn't know the rules.

(psst, I had a copy of the rule you posted above, and she STILL wouldn't accept it. Should I have call the Postmaster General?)

You can download a copy of the D.M.M. and show the person at the counter the postal regulations.

 

[meaner gene]

Guess the lady working the counter at the Post office didn't know the rules.

(psst, I had a copy of the rule you posted above, and she STILL wouldn't accept it. Should I have call the Postmaster General?)

Policies, Procedures, and Forms Updates

about.usps.com

12.2 Rifles and Shotguns

[Revise renumbered 12.2 as follows:]

Except under 12.1.1d and 12.1.2, unloaded rifles and shotguns are mailable. Mailers must comply with the rules and regulations under 27 CFR, Part 478, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the rifle or shotgun is unloaded and not ineligible for mailing under 12.1.1d. The following conditions also apply:

Rifles and shotguns may be mailed by a non-FFL owner domestically to a FFL dealer, manufacturer, or importer in any state. USPS recommends these items be mailed using those services described in 12.2a.

 

[westwall]

No, it can't. That is a FEDERAL LAW. No firearm may be sent to an individual except for if that individual sent the weapon in to the manufacturer for service. Then, and only then, can the manufacturer send the firearm back to THAT individual.

Read the law yourself, straight from the horses (ATF) mouth.

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a...

www.atf.gov

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.
In addition, federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm or ammunition, prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm and requires obtaining written acknowledgement of receipt.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a)(5), 922(e) and (f); 27 CFR 478.30 and 478.31]

That is one of several that apply. Here's the full rundown thanks to gunbroker.com.

Firearms Shipping Guide

Below are some guidelines for shipping firearms and ammunition, along with notes related to specific shippers. We encourage you to review the specific shipper's web site as shippers have different ...

support.gunbroker.com

.

 

[Auld Phart]

interesting
I tried to ship a rifle back to the factory for repair, and USPS wouldn't touch it.

Guess the lady working the counter at the Post office didn't know the rules.

(psst, I had a copy of the rule you posted above, and she STILL wouldn't accept it. Should I have call the Postmaster General?)

You can download a copy of the D.M.M. and show the person at the counter the postal regulations.

Did you miss this part of my post?

" (psst, I had a copy of the rule you posted above, and she STILL wouldn't accept it. Should I have call the Postmaster General?) "

 

[Auld Phart]

Guess the lady working the counter at the Post office didn't know the rules.

(psst, I had a copy of the rule you posted above, and she STILL wouldn't accept it. Should I have call the Postmaster General?)

Policies, Procedures, and Forms Updates

about.usps.com

12.2 Rifles and Shotguns

[Revise renumbered 12.2 as follows:]

Except under 12.1.1d and 12.1.2, unloaded rifles and shotguns are mailable. Mailers must comply with the rules and regulations under 27 CFR, Part 478, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the rifle or shotgun is unloaded and not ineligible for mailing under 12.1.1d. The following conditions also apply:

Rifles and shotguns may be mailed by a non-FFL owner domestically to a FFL dealer, manufacturer, or importer in any state. USPS recommends these items be mailed using those services described in 12.2a.

I'll send the address of the local postmaster.

Tell HER, I already know.

 

[meaner gene]

That is one of several that apply. Here's the full rundown thanks to gunbroker.com.

Firearms Shipping Guide

Below are some guidelines for shipping firearms and ammunition, along with notes related to specific shippers. We encourage you to review the specific shipper's web site as shippers have different ...

support.gunbroker.com

.

So, does that disagree with anything I posted?

 

[Missourian]

Actually it depends on the state. In Florida an internet (or brick and mortar gunstore) located within Florida, can mail the firearm to a florida resident. It can be sent Fedex, UPS, or USPS.

I don't believe this is accurate.

 

[westwall]

interesting
I tried to ship a rifle back to the factory for repair, and USPS wouldn't touch it.

Guess the lady working the counter at the Post office didn't know the rules.

(psst, I had a copy of the rule you posted above, and she STILL wouldn't accept it. Should I have call the Postmaster General?)

You can download a copy of the D.M.M. and show the person at the counter the postal regulations.

Did you miss this part of my post?

" (psst, I had a copy of the rule you posted above, and she STILL wouldn't accept it. Should I have call the Postmaster General?) "

The USPS has their OWN regulations as far as firearm shipment goes. It's not just one law. It is a whole web of them. I posted the link to the Gunbroker breakdown.

 

[westwall]

That is one of several that apply. Here's the full rundown thanks to gunbroker.com.

Firearms Shipping Guide

Below are some guidelines for shipping firearms and ammunition, along with notes related to specific shippers. We encourage you to review the specific shipper's web site as shippers have different ...

support.gunbroker.com

.

So, does that disagree with anything I posted?

Yes. You posted one law that applies. There are several. Some of which contradict the others.

 

[meaner gene]

" (psst, I had a copy of the rule you posted above, and she STILL wouldn't accept it. Should I have call the Postmaster General?) "

You could have tried either a larger office. If you tried to mail it from a finance station (small office without a supervisor) you only had a window clerk in charge. A larger office has either a supervisor or manager that you could request to see, who would be better informed of the regulation, and how to interpret it.

Failing that, you could go to or write the local postmaster requesting they give their interpretation of the regulations.

 

[progressive hunter]

Actually it depends on the state. In Florida an internet (or brick and mortar gunstore) located within Florida, can mail the firearm to a florida resident. It can be sent Fedex, UPS, or USPS.

after a background check of course,,

Only if from someone with a FFL. Private citizens can sell guns to another florida resident without any background checks.

well good for them,,

 

[Missourian]

That is one of several that apply. Here's the full rundown thanks to gunbroker.com.

So, does that disagree with anything I posted?

Yes.

You said "In Florida an internet (or brick and mortar gunstore) located within Florida, can mail the firearm to a florida resident."

Neither an online nor brick and mortar gun store can mail a newly transferred firearm to a Florida Resident. The transfer must be in person and a background check must be performed.

You are conflating private sales with FFL transfers. Online gun stores and brick and mortar gun stores are not "nonlicensees" ... They are licencees.

I'm pretty sure the shipping by private individuals of long guns to residences inside the state is for moving firearms for hunting purposes or returning borrowed firearms or shipping to relatives...not transferring by mail as the result of sale...but it would take some time to do the research to back that up.

 

[meaner gene]

You said "In Florida an internet (or brick and mortar gunstore) located within Florida, can mail the firearm to a florida resident."

Neither an online nor brick and mortar gun store can mail a newly transferred firearm to a Florida Resident. The transfer must be in person and a background check must be performed.

O.K. I do a partial retraction. Mailing can be done to "Brady exempt" gun permit holders directly to their residence. Others have to pick them up from a FFL holder.

Online sales are subject to whether or not the seller has a FFL.

 

[Missourian]

Mailing can be done to "Brady exempt" gun permit holders directly to their residence.

I've heard about this...that in some states CCW holders are exempt from background checks...well...not exempt exactly, since they've had a more rigorous background check with fingerprints and a law enforcement sign off...but so far we don't have that here in Missouri as far as I am aware.

It's been a while since I've bought anything...as prices have become ridiculously high.

 

[hunarcy]

I'm watching a Timcast IRL segment from last night, and the resident left of center guy...Ian...says he didn't know that guns purchased online were not mailed to your house (@8:30).

Here's an explaination in case some of you don't understand how an internet retail gun sale works.

First, there are a few rare exceptions to this...like buying a firearm or a replica of a firearm made before 1899 (I believe) and also if the purchaser is also a federal firearm license holder.

But for Joe Blows like you and I...this is how buying a firearm online goes.

Actually it depends on the state. In Florida an internet (or brick and mortar gunstore) located within Florida, can mail the firearm to a florida resident. It can be sent Fedex, UPS, or USPS.

Wow, you are lying in this thread too. Ignore is the only place for you. However, in case anyone else doesn't know what a disgusting lying sack of pus you are, they should look at this.

How to Buy a Gun Online: Purchase Tips and Advice

You can buy anything online, shoes, office supplies, even groceries. But can you buy that shiny new SCCY CPX-2 9mm, or the patriotic FMK carry gun?

floridagunsupply.com

 

[meaner gene]

Actually it depends on the state. In Florida an internet (or brick and mortar gunstore) located within Florida, can mail the firearm to a florida resident. It can be sent Fedex, UPS, or USPS.

Wow, you are lying in this thread too. Yeah, ignore is the only place for you.

Apparently you missed the correction / retraction

But ignore is the better part of valor.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I'm watching a Timcast IRL segment from last night, and the resident left of center guy...Ian...says he didn't know that guns purchased online were not mailed to your house (@8:30).

Here's an explaination in case some of you don't understand how an internet retail gun sale works.

First, there are a few rare exceptions to this...like buying a firearm or a replica of a firearm made before 1899 (I believe) and also if the purchaser is also a federal firearm license holder.

But for Joe Blows like you and I...this is how buying a firearm online goes.

You find a gun you like on an online retailer like Bud's Guns.

Why would you need to do this?

Well, if you like strange, novel and totally impractical firearms like I do...your local brick and mortar store isn't likely to carry that kind of thing. Or, if you like super high quality (read super expensive) firearms...most gun stores are not going to have a large selection of those either.

Just like any business, the gun store stocks items that will have the most appeal to the widest cross section of consumers.

But that is the Why...this is the How.

I go online to an internet gun store like budsguns.com and I select something I like...a Bond Arms Protect the 2nd Amendment two shot derringer in 45 Colt...

Buy Bond Arms Protect the 2nd Amendment 357 Magnum 38 Special Revolver Online

Manufacturer Part Number PT2A.357/.38 Item Number GPT2A35738

www.budsgunshop.com

(Yeah...I own one of these. Yes, I know it is totally impractical. I warned ya.)

Click BUY.

Buds asks for my credit card number and I complete the PURCHASE part of the order...

...now we go on to SHIPPING...

I am presented with a list of Federal Firearm License (FFL) holders in my area.

Some will be green...meaning their FFL license is already on file with Buds. Others are red...meaning if I want to have my firearm shipped to them, I must contact that FFL holder and have them fax a copy of their license to Buds before shipping can be arranged.

Under no circumstances will an online gun store ship a firearm to a non-FFL.

I choose a gun store from the list. That gun store will be responsible for the transfer of the firearm to me...and they can (and most will) charge a transfer fee of $10-$50+ for the transfer. My gun store used to allow free transfers, but now it's $10 for the transfer or the transfer is free with a purchase of at least $20 in merchandise (who can't use more Pmags?).

Buds arranges the shipping to my FFL and in about a week it arrives and the local gun store notifies me. I go to the gun store with my ID and fill out a background check form (ATF 4473) and the FFL does an online instant approval just as if I was buying the firearm directly from them.

I'll either be approved or declined. I've never been declined...and me and my firearm and my new Pmags go happily on our way.

This is actually a much longer process than simply buying in-stock firearms from my local gun store...which I could complete in a half hour start to finish from choosing a firearm through completing a background check and paying to leaving with my new firearm and no Pmags...cuz I really don't need any more Pmags.

So there you go...purchasing a firearm online explained. Cuz knowing is half the battle...

“Under no circumstances will an online gun store ship a firearm to a non-FFL.”

But a gun can be shipped directly to one’s home when purchased online by an FFL 03 license-holder.

Consequently, the claim is partially true.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I'm watching a Timcast IRL segment from last night, and the resident left of center guy...Ian...says he didn't know that guns purchased online were not mailed to your house (@8:30).

Here's an explaination in case some of you don't understand how an internet retail gun sale works.

First, there are a few rare exceptions to this...like buying a firearm or a replica of a firearm made before 1899 (I believe) and also if the purchaser is also a federal firearm license holder.

But for Joe Blows like you and I...this is how buying a firearm online goes.

You find a gun you like on an online retailer like Bud's Guns.

Why would you need to do this?

Well, if you like strange, novel and totally impractical firearms like I do...your local brick and mortar store isn't likely to carry that kind of thing. Or, if you like super high quality (read super expensive) firearms...most gun stores are not going to have a large selection of those either.

Just like any business, the gun store stocks items that will have the most appeal to the widest cross section of consumers.

But that is the Why...this is the How.

I go online to an internet gun store like budsguns.com and I select something I like...a Bond Arms Protect the 2nd Amendment two shot derringer in 45 Colt...

Buy Bond Arms Protect the 2nd Amendment 357 Magnum 38 Special Revolver Online

Manufacturer Part Number PT2A.357/.38 Item Number GPT2A35738

www.budsgunshop.com

(Yeah...I own one of these. Yes, I know it is totally impractical. I warned ya.)

Click BUY.

Buds asks for my credit card number and I complete the PURCHASE part of the order...

...now we go on to SHIPPING...

I am presented with a list of Federal Firearm License (FFL) holders in my area.

Some will be green...meaning their FFL license is already on file with Buds. Others are red...meaning if I want to have my firearm shipped to them, I must contact that FFL holder and have them fax a copy of their license to Buds before shipping can be arranged.

Under no circumstances will an online gun store ship a firearm to a non-FFL.

I choose a gun store from the list. That gun store will be responsible for the transfer of the firearm to me...and they can (and most will) charge a transfer fee of $10-$50+ for the transfer. My gun store used to allow free transfers, but now it's $10 for the transfer or the transfer is free with a purchase of at least $20 in merchandise (who can't use more Pmags?).

Buds arranges the shipping to my FFL and in about a week it arrives and the local gun store notifies me. I go to the gun store with my ID and fill out a background check form (ATF 4473) and the FFL does an online instant approval just as if I was buying the firearm directly from them.

I'll either be approved or declined. I've never been declined...and me and my firearm and my new Pmags go happily on our way.

This is actually a much longer process than simply buying in-stock firearms from my local gun store...which I could complete in a half hour start to finish from choosing a firearm through completing a background check and paying to leaving with my new firearm and no Pmags...cuz I really don't need any more Pmags.

So there you go...purchasing a firearm online explained. Cuz knowing is half the battle...

Very informative - thank you.

Wouldn’t it be easier to have your local special order the one you want?

Easier, but not necessarily at the best price.

And it might not be as fast; when I buy online the gun is at my FFL within three or four business days.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I'm watching a Timcast IRL segment from last night, and the resident left of center guy...Ian...says he didn't know that guns purchased online were not mailed to your house (@8:30).

Here's an explaination in case some of you don't understand how an internet retail gun sale works.

First, there are a few rare exceptions to this...like buying a firearm or a replica of a firearm made before 1899 (I believe) and also if the purchaser is also a federal firearm license holder.

But for Joe Blows like you and I...this is how buying a firearm online goes.

You find a gun you like on an online retailer like Bud's Guns.

Why would you need to do this?

Well, if you like strange, novel and totally impractical firearms like I do...your local brick and mortar store isn't likely to carry that kind of thing. Or, if you like super high quality (read super expensive) firearms...most gun stores are not going to have a large selection of those either.

Just like any business, the gun store stocks items that will have the most appeal to the widest cross section of consumers.

But that is the Why...this is the How.

I go online to an internet gun store like budsguns.com and I select something I like...a Bond Arms Protect the 2nd Amendment two shot derringer in 45 Colt...

Buy Bond Arms Protect the 2nd Amendment 357 Magnum 38 Special Revolver Online

Manufacturer Part Number PT2A.357/.38 Item Number GPT2A35738

www.budsgunshop.com

(Yeah...I own one of these. Yes, I know it is totally impractical. I warned ya.)

Click BUY.

Buds asks for my credit card number and I complete the PURCHASE part of the order...

...now we go on to SHIPPING...

I am presented with a list of Federal Firearm License (FFL) holders in my area.

Some will be green...meaning their FFL license is already on file with Buds. Others are red...meaning if I want to have my firearm shipped to them, I must contact that FFL holder and have them fax a copy of their license to Buds before shipping can be arranged.

Under no circumstances will an online gun store ship a firearm to a non-FFL.

I choose a gun store from the list. That gun store will be responsible for the transfer of the firearm to me...and they can (and most will) charge a transfer fee of $10-$50+ for the transfer. My gun store used to allow free transfers, but now it's $10 for the transfer or the transfer is free with a purchase of at least $20 in merchandise (who can't use more Pmags?).

Buds arranges the shipping to my FFL and in about a week it arrives and the local gun store notifies me. I go to the gun store with my ID and fill out a background check form (ATF 4473) and the FFL does an online instant approval just as if I was buying the firearm directly from them.

I'll either be approved or declined. I've never been declined...and me and my firearm and my new Pmags go happily on our way.

This is actually a much longer process than simply buying in-stock firearms from my local gun store...which I could complete in a half hour start to finish from choosing a firearm through completing a background check and paying to leaving with my new firearm and no Pmags...cuz I really don't need any more Pmags.

So there you go...purchasing a firearm online explained. Cuz knowing is half the battle...

Brillant