Injustice was always Injustice.

[Man of Ethics]

I am writing a fictional story in which we look from 2080s into 2020s. This story assumes Utopian rather then Dystopian Development which may or may not be the case

Is it fair to judge 2020s America by Modern 2080s Standards? Most modern young people have no experience of life before Post-Scarcity Economy, self-driving passenger drones, and self-driving cars, and computer-brain interphase.

In 1776, Thomas Jefferson understood that All Humans are Created Equal. That was also understood by the vast majority of people in 2020s. Those who practiced Injustice in 2020s understood that what they are doing is wrong. They benefitted from Injustice, thus they practiced it. They silenced anyone who criticized their practices.

2020s Progressives were wrong to support discrimination against men. But that does not mean that they were inept or wrong in all their undertakings. They understood Thomas Jefferson perfectly well. During American Revolution Thomas Jefferson knew that All Humans are Created Equal. Thomas Jefferson knew that Slavery was Evil -- a much greater Evil then anything practiced in 2020s!

Nevertheless, as a beneficiary of Slavery, Thomas Jefferson practiced it and was a part of a government in a war to preserve it. Thomas Jefferson understood that he practiced and upheld socially accepted Evil. This is why he does not deserve to be honored as a hero! This is why Progressives were right to break his statue into pieces!

 

[Jessica-stormlover]

It is only an injustice for the simple reality that whites made laws and made people give a damn about the injustice. Blacks and their kings sold 30 million of their own people off without blinking an eye....

Blaming only whites for injustice is racism in its truest form.

 

[night_son]

I am writing a fictional story in which we look from 2080s into 2020s. This story assumes Utopian rather then Dystopian Development which may or may not be the case

The freedom and protected space you used to type out this block of text would not exist without the likes of Thomas Jefferson and other similar men of his era. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Also, think very carefully about what would happen if radical leftist tyranny arose here in America after wiping out all memory of our Founding Fathers. No such great, heroic men as Jefferson would be able to arise, as Jefferson and the others arose, to return Americans their freedom, due to the hatred directed at such heroic, righteous behaviors. Cancel America's history, and you forever cancel America's future.

 

[Man of Ethics]

It is only an injustice for the simple reality that whites made laws and made people give a damn about the injustice. Blacks and their kings sold 30 million of their own people off without blinking an eye....

Blaming only whites for injustice is racism in its truest form.

1) Laws are of Divine rather then Human origin.

2) White nobles in Russia and East Europe also held tens of millions of their own people as serfs.

 

[Man of Ethics]

1) The freedom and protected space you used to type out this block of text would not exist without the likes of Thomas Jefferson and other similar men of his era. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Sadly Thomas Jefferson supported abuses of Human Rights much worse then any abuses in contemporary England.

Also, think very carefully about what would happen if radical leftist tyranny arose here in America after wiping out all memory of our Founding Fathers.

Progressives are right on this issue and wrong on some other issues.

Thomas Jefferson was a Progressive in 1776, but he supported a system much worse then anything which existed on British continent. Britain abolished Slavery throughout the Empire only in 1833.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Sadly Thomas Jefferson supported abuses of Human Rights much worse then any abuses in contemporary England.

Progressives are right on this issue and wrong on some other issues.

Thomas Jefferson was a Progressive in 1776, but he supported a system much worse then anything which existed on British continent. Britain abolished Slavery throughout the Empire only in 1833.

1. Britain is an island.
2. The United States abolished slavery only a few years after that 1833 date.
3. The "British" were still empire building when the American Civil War occurred.

Do you really think the British still didn't have slavery going on in other places of their "empire" when the Union and Confederacy were duking it out? Do the British campaigns in India, China, or Africa, come to mind? Wasn't it the British Empire that was going to support the Confederacy during the Civil War?

Don't look over here, look at our island, we've abolished slavery! Never mind those kings in other parts of our empire who put or sell their people into slavery to us to make trade profitable.

*****SMILE*****

 

[Man of Ethics]

Do you really think the British still didn't have slavery going on in other places of their "empire" when the Union and Confederacy were duking it out? Do the British campaigns in India, China, or Africa, come to mind? Wasn't it the British Empire that was going to support the Confederacy during the Civil War?

Britain abolished Slavery throughout their Empire in 1833.

Overall, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ have much better Human Rights Record then USA.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Britain abolished Slavery throughout their Empire in 1833.

Overall, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ have much better Human Rights Record then USA.

I have a bridge in London to sell you.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[DGS49]

Please note the difference between "than" and "then."

The Crown paid REPARATIONS to slave owners whose chattels were freed by the Crown.

Hypothetical for anyone reading this: If you were born into a wealthy family in the American South, and a major portion of that wealth was the slaves that your family owned, would you free your slaves, thus likely bringing ruination to yourself and other family members? Slavery is wrong, you know.

 

[Man of Ethics]

1) Please note the difference between "than" and "then."

The Crown paid REPARATIONS to slave owners whose chattels were freed by the Crown.

2) Hypothetical for anyone reading this: If you were born into a wealthy family in the American South, and a major portion of that wealth was the slaves that your family owned, would you free your slaves, thus likely bringing ruination to yourself and other family members? Slavery is wrong, you know.

1) I stand corrected. In 2000, prior to spellcheckers I made more mystayks .

2) Sadly most people who benefit from injustice support it in 1800s or in 2020s.

 

[Jessica-stormlover]

Britain abolished Slavery throughout their Empire in 1833.

Overall, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ have much better Human Rights Record then USA.

And historically ever single one of those countries were 90% or more white and the voters were 90+ % white. Name one African or Asian nation that would have abolished the goddamn practice of slavery without whites??? Why do you take it on one race even through that one race did more then all others combined to right these wrongs? Shouldn't you be praising god and thankful.

 

[Jessica-stormlover]

1) I stand corrected. In 2000, prior to spellcheckers I made more mystayks .

2) Sadly most people who benefit from injustice support it in 1800s or in 2020s.

I do NOT support Injustice or the enslavement of anyone. Period. My race ended the practice of slavery and were the only ones to ever give a damn about injustice. I promise you if it was up to the elites in Africa or arabia the world would still have slavery as was in for thousands of years.

 

[Jessica-stormlover]

Sadly Thomas Jefferson supported abuses of Human Rights much worse then any abuses in contemporary England.

Progressives are right on this issue and wrong on some other issues.

Thomas Jefferson was a Progressive in 1776, but he supported a system much worse then anything which existed on British continent. Britain abolished Slavery throughout the Empire only in 1833.

Jeffferson helped build a nation that did more for righting the wrongs of history then any african nation, arab nation or asian nation ever did. YEt, you single us out and want to erase our pride and attack our heritage. Pretty racism and unfair of you.

Again name the society that did more for human rights then white people ever did. Sure, we practiced slavery but that is a human thing.

 

[Jessica-stormlover]

You know what the real injustice is? Telling whites that we're evil and don't deserve to exist. All while destroying our heritage and national identity. YOu should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

 

[Man of Ethics]

My race ended the practice of slavery and were the only ones to ever give a damn about injustice.

I am Caucasian, but I am Jewish. In most senses, Jews are not really ``white". Most White Nationalists viewed and some view Jews as Messiah-killers.

 

[Man of Ethics]

You know what the real injustice is? Telling whites that we're evil and don't deserve to exist.

Such rhetoric is relatively rare.

Most Racial Discrimination is in favor of white people.

 

[Man of Ethics]

Jeffferson helped build a nation that did more for righting the wrongs of history then any african nation, arab nation or asian nation ever did. YEt, you single us out and want to erase our pride and attack our heritage.

Paradoxically, I disagree with Progressives on many issues.

Thomas Jefferson was Progressive in 1776, and he stood for gross violation of Human Rights. Conservatives viewed him as a traitor to King George III and to England.

 

[PoliticalChic]

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1. Britain is an island.
2. The United States abolished slavery only a few years after that 1833 date.
3. The "British" were still empire building when the American Civil War occurred.

Do you really think the British still didn't have slavery going on in other places of their "empire" when the Union and Confederacy were duking it out? Do the British campaigns in India, China, or Africa, come to mind? Wasn't it the British Empire that was going to support the Confederacy during the Civil War?

Don't look over here, look at our island, we've abolished slavery! Never mind those kings in other parts of our empire who put or sell their people into slavery to us to make trade profitable.

*****SMILE*****

Actually.....Vermont was way ahead of the Brits.


Slavery ended first....FIRST...in America.

"July 2, 1777. In response to abolitionists' calls across the colonies to end slavery, Vermont became the first colony to ban it outright. Not only did Vermont's legislature agree to abolish slavery entirely, it also moved to provide full voting rights for African American males."

Vermont 1777: Early Steps Against Slavery
Long before Vermont became our 14th state, its people were known for their independence. They were not excited about joining the new United States; nor did they want to remain a part of the British crown. They liked being independent and made that clear to the other colonies on more than one...

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That's thirty years before England abolished slavery.