infrastructure plan now out - let the debates begin

[Dragonlady]

Here is the GOP songbook from 2011:

NATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE BANK: MORE BUREAUCRACY AND MORE RED TAPE

I couldn't read your link because I'm not a subscriber, so I googled it. It doesn't sound like a great idea, using an "infrastructure bank."
I remember during the campaign that Trump and a few other people mentioned getting private companies to invest in infrastructure, helping to pay for projects. I can't imagine why a road construction company would want to "invest" in repaving a highway. Do you know what they were talking about?

Yes. I read up on this. Companies could sponsor/pay for infrastructure improvements and get a tax credit for doing the work. They would also get to deduct the cost of materials and labour as a business expense so, in essence, they got double tax credits for such projects. What company wouldn’t want to do one of these projects?

Not only would companies get double tax credits for these projects (not well thought out), but the donor corporations would also get to pick the project. So paving or repairing access roads or bridges to their own plants and facilities would qualify for this double dipping, even if local councils think these are low priority repairs.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I have never seen the nations infrastructure this bad... Fix it if it takes trillions.

What red state do you live in?

have you seen Californias infrastructure?...

Yes. Have you seen the deep south's infrastructure?

have you seen the infrastructure in just about every state?....every states infrastructure needs some work...cals at one time was top notch,much of it now needs work,the 91 freeway was falling apart as was the 5.....so, so much for that stupid partisan comment you made ....

Let the states take care of their own infrastructure. Blue states pay in more federal taxes than they get. Let California spend its money on its infrastructure, instead of it going to the 3rd world infrastructure conditions you'll find in the likes of South Carolina, Mississippi, etc.

never implied anything saying they shouldn't....

 

[evenflow1969]

Scoop: Read the draft White House infrastructure plan

will be interesting to see how this is twisted to be all bad because of trump or all good for same reason.

Trump's a Democrat. Of course he has an infrastructure plan. That's been a core Democratic bone for over a decade now.

It's like LBJ getting arising from the racist Southern Democrat bloc to pass the biggest civil rights bill in history.

It takes a real chameleon to get shit done.

what did obama do to fix it then?

He was blocked by the GOP.

Don't tell me you have forgotten all the ridicule over "shovel ready" projects!

Shovel ready does not exist, he should have picked his words better. Infrastucture project's take a great deal of time and effort to put into place. That being said he was blocked at every corner

 

[debbiedowner]

Scoop: Read the draft White House infrastructure plan

will be interesting to see how this is twisted to be all bad because of trump or all good for same reason.

So, what is our new Infrastructure tax going to be?

An extra $1.00 for each gallon of gas. Tax?

 

[peach174]

For those who have been deliberately dumbed down by their propagandists to have a memory like a goldfish:

$478B Infrastructure Bill Blocked by Senate GOP

And they were right, higher taxes on businesses was not the answer in a slow economy.

 

[g5000]

For those who have been deliberately dumbed down by their propagandists to have a memory like a goldfish:

$478B Infrastructure Bill Blocked by Senate GOP

And they were right, higher taxes on businesses was not the answer in a slow economy.

The Dow rose 300 percent during Obama's tenure, and that momentum is still going. You have a funny definition of "slow".

Special interest gifts in the tax code in exchange for donor cash is no way to run a country with crumbling infrastructure, kid.

 

[Doc1]

For those who have been deliberately dumbed down by their propagandists to have a memory like a goldfish:

$478B Infrastructure Bill Blocked by Senate GOP

And they were right, higher taxes on businesses was not the answer in a slow economy.

The Dow rose 300 percent during Obama's tenure, and that momentum is still going. You have a funny definition of "slow".

Special interest gifts in the tax code in exchange for donor cash is no way to run a country with crumbling infrastructure, son.

You like you that Progressive penis eh? What a GOOD little "Republican" you are. No wonder your wife left you. You're a fraud. I know g, ALL money belongs to the Gov and we should just be happy with what you decide to let us keep for ourselves.

 

[iceberg]

For those who have been deliberately dumbed down by their propagandists to have a memory like a goldfish:

$478B Infrastructure Bill Blocked by Senate GOP

And they were right, higher taxes on businesses was not the answer in a slow economy.

The Dow rose 300 percent during Obama's tenure, and that momentum is still going. You have a funny definition of "slow".

Special interest gifts in the tax code in exchange for donor cash is no way to run a country with crumbling infrastructure, kid.

so now apple and many other companies are bringing $ and jobs back to the US because of what obama did?

please don't tell me even you believe that shit.

 

[peach174]

For those who have been deliberately dumbed down by their propagandists to have a memory like a goldfish:

$478B Infrastructure Bill Blocked by Senate GOP

And they were right, higher taxes on businesses was not the answer in a slow economy.

The Dow rose 300 percent during Obama's tenure, and that momentum is still going. You have a funny definition of "slow".

Special interest gifts in the tax code in exchange for donor cash is no way to run a country with crumbling infrastructure, kid.

So we didn't really have a recession?
I was taking about growth in business and jobs.
Kid?
I'm 65 .

 

[Dragonlady]

For those who have been deliberately dumbed down by their propagandists to have a memory like a goldfish:

$478B Infrastructure Bill Blocked by Senate GOP

And they were right, higher taxes on businesses was not the answer in a slow economy.

The Dow rose 300 percent during Obama's tenure, and that momentum is still going. You have a funny definition of "slow".

Special interest gifts in the tax code in exchange for donor cash is no way to run a country with crumbling infrastructure, kid.

So we didn't really have a recession?
I was taking about growth in business and jobs.
Kid?
I'm 65 .

Longest period of sustained growth in US history. Largest stock market gain under one administration too, I think.

 

[peach174]

For those who have been deliberately dumbed down by their propagandists to have a memory like a goldfish:

$478B Infrastructure Bill Blocked by Senate GOP

And they were right, higher taxes on businesses was not the answer in a slow economy.

The Dow rose 300 percent during Obama's tenure, and that momentum is still going. You have a funny definition of "slow".

Special interest gifts in the tax code in exchange for donor cash is no way to run a country with crumbling infrastructure, kid.

So we didn't really have a recession?
I was taking about growth in business and jobs.
Kid?
I'm 65 .

Longest period of sustained growth in US history. Largest stock market gain under one administration too, I think.

You go ahead with that.
Bureau of Labor Statistics say other wise on jobs.
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4 4.6 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 5.0
2008 5.0 4.9 5.1 5.0 5.4 5.6 5.8 6.1 6.1 6.5 6.8 7.3
2009 7.8 8.3 8.7 9.0 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.8 10.0 9.9 9.9
2010 9.8 9.8 9.9 9.9 9.6 9.4 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.4 9.8 9.3
2011 9.1 9.0 9.0 9.1 9.0 9.1 9.0 9.0 9.0 8.8 8.6 8.5
2012 8.3 8.3 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.1 7.8 7.8 7.7 7.9
2013 8.0 7.7 7.5 7.6 7.5 7.5 7.3 7.2 7.2 7.2 6.9 6.7
2014 6.6 6.7 6.7 6.3 6.3 6.1 6.2 6.2 5.9 5.7 5.8 5.6
2015 5.7 5.5 5.5 5.4 5.5 5.3 5.2 5.1 5.0 5.0 5.0 5.0
2016 4.9 4.9 5.0 5.0 4.7 4.9 4.9 4.9 5.0 4.9 4.6 4.7
2017 4.8 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.3 4.3 4.3 4.4 4.2 4.1 4.1 4.1

 

[depotoo]

Blocked? You mean that money was not in the stimulus bill that was authorized and touted by Obamaafter all, when his Dems held both houses?


The total size of the plan is about $750 to $800 billion – roughly $300 billion is for tax cuts for businesses and individuals,” CBS correspondent Chip Reid said on CBS’s Jan. 12 “The Early Show.” “The rest will be spent on everything from roads and bridges to renewable energy to create three to 4 million jobs. Republicans are raising red flags about the amount of spending.”


In reality, little of the $850 billion American Recovery & Reinvestment Act of 2009 proposed by congressional Democrats will actually be spent on actual road and bridge projects – the sort of things most people think of when they hear infrastructure spending, according to the office of Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala.


The recent proposal distributed by congressional Democrats will provide only an additional $15 billion in 2009 and 2010 for road construction and repair. And of that $30 billion total provided, some funds are earmarked for narrow uses such as technology training or construction of roads on Indian reservations and in national parks.


According to those calculations, that’s just a little more than 3 percent meant to be spent on actual road and bridge construction. Compare that $30 billion allocated in this bill to the most expensive road project in U.S. history – the infamous “Big Dig” of Massachusetts. The final tally puts the cost of this road project to $15 billion and estimates say it will end up costing $22 billion by the year 2038. The $30 billion in this package would just be enough to cover the costs of that one project and a few smaller plans.


“This $900 billion economic stimulus is being sold as a massive highway infrastructure bill, when, in truth, only 3 percent of this money is committed to highway construction,” Sessions said in a statement. “This is the largest spending bill the Congress has ever considered, and the American people – who ultimately are going to pick up the tab – need to know exactly what they are getting, or not getting, for their money.”

Debunking Stimulus Myth: Only 3% Allotted for Road, Bridge Infrastructure Spending

Scoop: Read the draft White House infrastructure plan

will be interesting to see how this is twisted to be all bad because of trump or all good for same reason.

Trump's a Democrat. Of course he has an infrastructure plan. That's been a core Democratic bone for over a decade now.

It's like LBJ getting arising from the racist Southern Democrat bloc to pass the biggest civil rights bill in history.

It takes a real chameleon to get shit done.

what did obama do to fix it then?

He was blocked by the GOP.

Don't tell me you have forgotten all the ridicule over "shovel ready" projects!

 

[g5000]

For those who have been deliberately dumbed down by their propagandists to have a memory like a goldfish:

$478B Infrastructure Bill Blocked by Senate GOP

And they were right, higher taxes on businesses was not the answer in a slow economy.

The Dow rose 300 percent during Obama's tenure, and that momentum is still going. You have a funny definition of "slow".

Special interest gifts in the tax code in exchange for donor cash is no way to run a country with crumbling infrastructure, kid.

So we didn't really have a recession?
I was taking about growth in business and jobs.
Kid?
I'm 65 .

Longest period of sustained growth in US history. Largest stock market gain under one administration too, I think.

Longest period of sustained growth which started during Obama.

Largest stock gain under one administration, you think? Did you just come out of a coma? The stock market rose 300 percent under Obama. From down in the 6 thousands up to the 18 thousands. Trump hasn't come close to either of those benchmarks.

 

[Muhammed]

Scoop: Read the draft White House infrastructure plan

will be interesting to see how this is twisted to be all bad because of trump or all good for same reason.

Trump's a Democrat. Of course he has an infrastructure plan. That's been a core Democratic bone for over a decade now.

It's like LBJ getting arising from the racist Southern Democrat bloc to pass the biggest civil rights bill in history.

It takes a real chameleon to get shit done.

what did obama do to fix it then? he spent a ton of money but did it help our infrastructure? if so, where?

Billions went to failed projects such as the "high speed" train that flew off the tracks. Another big waste was electronic medical records. The problem is that different systems cannot communicate with each other. That was billions down the fucking drain.

 

[Dragonlady]

For those who have been deliberately dumbed down by their propagandists to have a memory like a goldfish:

$478B Infrastructure Bill Blocked by Senate GOP

And they were right, higher taxes on businesses was not the answer in a slow economy.

The Dow rose 300 percent during Obama's tenure, and that momentum is still going. You have a funny definition of "slow".

Special interest gifts in the tax code in exchange for donor cash is no way to run a country with crumbling infrastructure, kid.

So we didn't really have a recession?
I was taking about growth in business and jobs.
Kid?
I'm 65 .

Longest period of sustained growth in US history. Largest stock market gain under one administration too, I think.

Longest period of sustained growth which started during Obama.

Largest stock gain under one administration, you think? Did you just come out of a coma? The stock market rose 300 percent under Obama. From down in the 6 thousands up to the 18 thousands. Trump hasn't come close to either of those benchmarks.

Before I posted, I didn’t take the time to check stock market gains under Roosevelt - the only other president I thought could have topped Obama’s record.

 

[danielpalos]

For those who have been deliberately dumbed down by their propagandists to have a memory like a goldfish:

$478B Infrastructure Bill Blocked by Senate GOP

And they were right, higher taxes on businesses was not the answer in a slow economy.

Infrastructure spending is better than a tax break.

 

[iceberg]

For those who have been deliberately dumbed down by their propagandists to have a memory like a goldfish:

$478B Infrastructure Bill Blocked by Senate GOP

And they were right, higher taxes on businesses was not the answer in a slow economy.

The Dow rose 300 percent during Obama's tenure, and that momentum is still going. You have a funny definition of "slow".

Special interest gifts in the tax code in exchange for donor cash is no way to run a country with crumbling infrastructure, kid.

So we didn't really have a recession?
I was taking about growth in business and jobs.
Kid?
I'm 65 .

Longest period of sustained growth in US history. Largest stock market gain under one administration too, I think.

Longest period of sustained growth which started during Obama.

Largest stock gain under one administration, you think? Did you just come out of a coma? The stock market rose 300 percent under Obama. From down in the 6 thousands up to the 18 thousands. Trump hasn't come close to either of those benchmarks.

so again - since you didn't choose to snark a reply back to me -

are you saying the money and jobs coming back TODAY from many groups, coupled with bonuses and other jobs being credited to trumps tax plan, are in fact NOT because of trumps plan but all obama did during his tenure?

that seems to be your implication but i wanted to verify before moving on.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I have never seen the nations infrastructure this bad... Fix it if it takes trillions.

What is so bad and how is it the federal government's responsibility?

Let's see some examples please!

 

[Indeependent]

Tax cuts for big corporations, followed by massive borrowing from China for infrastructure and an upcoming war or 2. Fabulous.

Are we borrowing From China for this?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I just have a sinking feeling that almost every one of you in this thread have no fucking clue what infrastructure is!