Indigenous Palestinians Were JEWS

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I ask, if we both go to the Middle East, and we start at Beit Ur At Tahta, and travel West on Route 443, what do you think we will run into? If you said, the Israeli Checkpoint at Maccbim you would be right. And if you don't have the proper documentation, the Border Police will not let you proceed.

View attachment 52475​

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, you don't see. This is what we call the Ostrich Effect. (In Palestinian behavioral observations, the ostrich effect is the avoidance of apparently obvious physical realities by pretending they do not exist.)

I don't see any place here called Israel.

(COMMENT)

Yes, you don't see any reference to Palestine --- either...

You do see references made to:

• Color Code Box for Jewish Territory under UN General Assembly Partition Plan of 29 November 1947
• Israeli-Egyptian Armistice Line
• Israeli-Transjordan Armistice Line
• Israeli-Lebanese Armistice Line

But, just because the territory to which the former Mandate applied is not labeled, I don't deny the reality of its existence.

(MOVING FORWARD --- TO THE 21st CENTURY)

There six decade old agreement called the League of Arab States, Khartoum Resolution, 1 September 1967, in which the Arab League buries its head in the sand, as if that will make Israel go away, and create what has become known as the "Three No's: No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, and no negotiations with Israel.

Many thought that with the Exchange of Letters, that we had moved past that point. But I see there are still people that think, in their physical reality, that Israel doesn't exist.

If that were true, then who did the Palestinian State file a complaint against with the ICC, who is the Occupation Force that they are constantly complaining about, and who is it that the fire rockets and mortars against?

If you believe that their is no State of Israel, then you should write your opinion and submitted as a "Friend of the Court Brief." That would make the issues fall under NIAC and not IAC criteria.

Most Respectfully,
R

Yes, you don't see any reference to Palestine --- either...​

Uhhh, right at the top. The title of the map is Palestine. I see Lebanon. I see Syria. I see Transjordan. I see Arabia. I see Egypt. I don't see Israel.

(COMMENT)

And AGAIN! On the map, you don't see a place or demarcation in the name of "Palestine." You do see Demarcations for Israel. And if you actually walk the ground, it would be very difficult to deny in the physical reality the existence of the State of Israel. The Arab Palestinian that is using a defense mechanism in which the existence of unpleasant internal or external realities --- pertaining to the existence of Israel --- are in denial; and are exhibiting abnormal symptoms of an altered state.

Border barriers are the physical manifestation of extending self-determination to a defined territory; the reality of which cannot be denied.

Most Respectfully,
R

Occupations have checkpoints all of the time.

What is your point?

Tensions increase between Hamas, Salafists - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Tensions increase between Hamas, Salafists
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — The tension between Hamas and Gaza security services against Salafist jihadists has returned to the fore, most recently in a campaign of arrests targeting Salafists. Hundreds of security checkpoints have been set up to search and arrest Salafists and anyone thought to be connected to them in Gaza City.



Read more: Tensions increase between Hamas, Salafists - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East


The bolded text was mine.

What was it that Tinmore was whining about? Occupations have checkpoints?

 

[Rehmani]

Why has Israel allowed all the Muslim Palestinian land theiving squatters to remain in Israel?

Israel Palestine: Who’s Indigenous?

If jews are indigenous then why they look more Russian,American, Iranian but not Palestinian or Arab.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, that is the point.

Occupations have checkpoints all of the time.
What is your point?

(COMMENT)

Who is occupying what?

Most Respectfully,
R

Good question. That depends on who you ask. I get say so answers but nothing concrete.

What does a professor of international law say.

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, that is the point.

Occupations have checkpoints all of the time.
What is your point?

(COMMENT)

Who is occupying what?

Most Respectfully,
R

Good question. That depends on who you ask. I get say so answers but nothing concrete.

What does a professor of international law say.

She is right. The Indigenous Jews have been run out far too long. But great news --- their now back.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I ask, if we both go to the Middle East, and we start at Beit Ur At Tahta, and travel West on Route 443, what do you think we will run into? If you said, the Israeli Checkpoint at Maccbim you would be right. And if you don't have the proper documentation, the Border Police will not let you proceed.

View attachment 52475​

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, you don't see. This is what we call the Ostrich Effect. (In Palestinian behavioral observations, the ostrich effect is the avoidance of apparently obvious physical realities by pretending they do not exist.)

I don't see any place here called Israel.

(COMMENT)

Yes, you don't see any reference to Palestine --- either...

You do see references made to:

• Color Code Box for Jewish Territory under UN General Assembly Partition Plan of 29 November 1947
• Israeli-Egyptian Armistice Line
• Israeli-Transjordan Armistice Line
• Israeli-Lebanese Armistice Line

But, just because the territory to which the former Mandate applied is not labeled, I don't deny the reality of its existence.

(MOVING FORWARD --- TO THE 21st CENTURY)

There six decade old agreement called the League of Arab States, Khartoum Resolution, 1 September 1967, in which the Arab League buries its head in the sand, as if that will make Israel go away, and create what has become known as the "Three No's: No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, and no negotiations with Israel.

Many thought that with the Exchange of Letters, that we had moved past that point. But I see there are still people that think, in their physical reality, that Israel doesn't exist.

If that were true, then who did the Palestinian State file a complaint against with the ICC, who is the Occupation Force that they are constantly complaining about, and who is it that the fire rockets and mortars against?

If you believe that their is no State of Israel, then you should write your opinion and submitted as a "Friend of the Court Brief." That would make the issues fall under NIAC and not IAC criteria.

Most Respectfully,
R

Yes, you don't see any reference to Palestine --- either...​

Uhhh, right at the top. The title of the map is Palestine. I see Lebanon. I see Syria. I see Transjordan. I see Arabia. I see Egypt. I don't see Israel.

(COMMENT)

And AGAIN! On the map, you don't see a place or demarcation in the name of "Palestine." You do see Demarcations for Israel. And if you actually walk the ground, it would be very difficult to deny in the physical reality the existence of the State of Israel. The Arab Palestinian that is using a defense mechanism in which the existence of unpleasant internal or external realities --- pertaining to the existence of Israel --- are in denial; and are exhibiting abnormal symptoms of an altered state.

Border barriers are the physical manifestation of extending self-determination to a defined territory; the reality of which cannot be denied.

Most Respectfully,
R

Occupations have checkpoints all of the time.

What is your point?

That they delineate the borders of Israel along the green line

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, that is the point.

Occupations have checkpoints all of the time.
What is your point?

(COMMENT)

Who is occupying what?

Most Respectfully,
R

Good question. That depends on who you ask. I get say so answers but nothing concrete.

What does a professor of international law say.

A heavily biased professor that only knows the islamonazi version's of International law

 

[Phoenall]

Why has Israel allowed all the Muslim Palestinian land theiving squatters to remain in Israel?

Israel Palestine: Who’s Indigenous?

If jews are indigenous then why they look more Russian,American, Iranian but not Palestinian or Arab.

Because arab and Palestinian never lived in Israel, they are illegal immigrants from the south and north. Thje jews look like Jews and their DNA matches that of the Jews who never left the Holy Land

 

[Humanity]

arab and Palestinian never lived in Israel, they are illegal immigrants

Based on what grounds Phoney?

 

[Phoenall]

arab and Palestinian never lived in Israel, they are illegal immigrants

Based on what grounds Phoney?

Arabs are from the south and are a different people to the Jews. The Palestinians are a made up people who called themselves Syrians until 1960

 

[MJB12741]

Palestinians have claimed they are direct descendants of Assyrians, Philistines, Canaanites etc,. Thank God the Palestinians were stupid enough as to never claim they are the derscendants of the lost tribes of Israel. Israel would have been doomed.

 

[Indeependent]

Israel would have been doomed.

Hashem has a way of working things out.
We have to realize that time is a creation to which God is not subject.

 

[Rehmani]

Why has Israel allowed all the Muslim Palestinian land theiving squatters to remain in Israel?

Israel Palestine: Who’s Indigenous?

If jews are indigenous then why they look more Russian,American, Iranian but not Palestinian or Arab.

Because arab and Palestinian never lived in Israel, they are illegal immigrants from the south and north. Thje jews look like Jews and their DNA matches that of the Jews who never left the Holy Land

Rubbish!

 

[Phoenall]

Why has Israel allowed all the Muslim Palestinian land theiving squatters to remain in Israel?

Israel Palestine: Who’s Indigenous?

If jews are indigenous then why they look more Russian,American, Iranian but not Palestinian or Arab.

Because arab and Palestinian never lived in Israel, they are illegal immigrants from the south and north. Thje jews look like Jews and their DNA matches that of the Jews who never left the Holy Land

Rubbish!

Prove me wrong and you will be the first to do so, but no islamonazi propaganda sources

 

[RoccoR]

Rehmani, Phoenall, MJB12741, et al,

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.

Why has Israel allowed all the Muslim Palestinian land theiving squatters to remain in Israel?
Israel Palestine: Who’s Indigenous?

If jews are indigenous then why they look more Russian,American, Iranian but not Palestinian or Arab.

Because arab and Palestinian never lived in Israel, they are illegal immigrants from the south and north. Thje jews look like Jews and their DNA matches that of the Jews who never left the Holy Land

Rubbish!

(COMMENT)

You can read and research all the various studies concerning the sample , analysis and testing of Mitochondrial DNA (MtDNA) of the Jewish People and still not have a definitive biological answer to what is basically a political question.

The attempt of these various DNA studies is to lend some scientific molecular genetic research credibility to the genetic ancestry of contemporary Jewish populations and whether there is some reasonable evidence demonstrated that their is a relationship to the ancient Israelites of the Middle East that lived two or three millennium ago. I'm not even sure that this is relevant; let alone a question that can be answered.

The establishment of the Jewish National Home in the Middle East was a decision based on the observation that the Jewish People needed a "safe haven" if the culture was remain viable and survive. And it was determined that basically, it was more important and beneficial to protect and safeguard the Jewish Culture from further attrition at the hands of present and future anti-Semitic regimes, to prevent the continuation of the cultural devastation as demonstrated by the historical indifference of most Europeans --- and --- the open collaboration of political regimes to target and murder of Jews to achieve some political end.

Even if there was a clear understanding as to what is meant by the "indigenous population" --- and --- when a migrating population or an immigrating population has assimilated enough to be identified with the indigenous population; would it really matter if the objective to to save a culture in distress?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Rehmani, Phoenall, MJB12741, et al,

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.

Why has Israel allowed all the Muslim Palestinian land theiving squatters to remain in Israel?
Israel Palestine: Who’s Indigenous?

If jews are indigenous then why they look more Russian,American, Iranian but not Palestinian or Arab.

Because arab and Palestinian never lived in Israel, they are illegal immigrants from the south and north. Thje jews look like Jews and their DNA matches that of the Jews who never left the Holy Land

Rubbish!

(COMMENT)

You can read and research all the various studies concerning the sample , analysis and testing of Mitochondrial DNA (MtDNA) of the Jewish People and still not have a definitive biological answer to what is basically a political question.

The attempt of these various DNA studies is to lend some scientific molecular genetic research credibility to the genetic ancestry of contemporary Jewish populations and whether there is some reasonable evidence demonstrated that their is a relationship to the ancient Israelites of the Middle East that lived two or three millennium ago. I'm not even sure that this is relevant; let alone a question that can be answered.

The establishment of the Jewish National Home in the Middle East was a decision based on the observation that the Jewish People needed a "safe haven" if the culture was remain viable and survive. And it was determined that basically, it was more important and beneficial to protect and safeguard the Jewish Culture from further attrition at the hands of present and future anti-Semitic regimes, to prevent the continuation of the cultural devastation as demonstrated by the historical indifference of most Europeans --- and --- the open collaboration of political regimes to target and murder of Jews to achieve some political end.

Even if there was a clear understanding as to what is meant by the "indigenous population" --- and --- when a migrating population or an immigrating population has assimilated enough to be identified with the indigenous population; would it really matter if the objective to to save a culture in distress?

Most Respectfully,
R

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.​

All of the people, Muslims, Christians, and Jews, who normally lived in Palestine when it was created after WWI became citizens of Palestine. That is the standard procedure. All of those new countries did the same thing.

There is nothing to dispute.

 

[Hollie]

Rehmani, Phoenall, MJB12741, et al,

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.

Why has Israel allowed all the Muslim Palestinian land theiving squatters to remain in Israel?
Israel Palestine: Who’s Indigenous?

If jews are indigenous then why they look more Russian,American, Iranian but not Palestinian or Arab.

Because arab and Palestinian never lived in Israel, they are illegal immigrants from the south and north. Thje jews look like Jews and their DNA matches that of the Jews who never left the Holy Land

Rubbish!

(COMMENT)

You can read and research all the various studies concerning the sample , analysis and testing of Mitochondrial DNA (MtDNA) of the Jewish People and still not have a definitive biological answer to what is basically a political question.

The attempt of these various DNA studies is to lend some scientific molecular genetic research credibility to the genetic ancestry of contemporary Jewish populations and whether there is some reasonable evidence demonstrated that their is a relationship to the ancient Israelites of the Middle East that lived two or three millennium ago. I'm not even sure that this is relevant; let alone a question that can be answered.

The establishment of the Jewish National Home in the Middle East was a decision based on the observation that the Jewish People needed a "safe haven" if the culture was remain viable and survive. And it was determined that basically, it was more important and beneficial to protect and safeguard the Jewish Culture from further attrition at the hands of present and future anti-Semitic regimes, to prevent the continuation of the cultural devastation as demonstrated by the historical indifference of most Europeans --- and --- the open collaboration of political regimes to target and murder of Jews to achieve some political end.

Even if there was a clear understanding as to what is meant by the "indigenous population" --- and --- when a migrating population or an immigrating population has assimilated enough to be identified with the indigenous population; would it really matter if the objective to to save a culture in distress?

Most Respectfully,
R

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.​

All of the people, Muslims, Christians, and Jews, who normally lived in Palestine when it was created after WWI became citizens of Palestine. That is the standard procedure. All of those new countries did the same thing.

There is nothing to dispute.

Actually, you're befuddled, as usual.

Palestine was the description of an undefined, noncontiguous land area. That's why it's comical to read of islamists referring to "Pal'istanians". That label for an invented people with an invented national identify was the creation of the now, thankfully dead, Arafat.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Rehmani, Phoenall, MJB12741, et al,

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.

If jews are indigenous then why they look more Russian,American, Iranian but not Palestinian or Arab.

Because arab and Palestinian never lived in Israel, they are illegal immigrants from the south and north. Thje jews look like Jews and their DNA matches that of the Jews who never left the Holy Land

Rubbish!

(COMMENT)

You can read and research all the various studies concerning the sample , analysis and testing of Mitochondrial DNA (MtDNA) of the Jewish People and still not have a definitive biological answer to what is basically a political question.

The attempt of these various DNA studies is to lend some scientific molecular genetic research credibility to the genetic ancestry of contemporary Jewish populations and whether there is some reasonable evidence demonstrated that their is a relationship to the ancient Israelites of the Middle East that lived two or three millennium ago. I'm not even sure that this is relevant; let alone a question that can be answered.

The establishment of the Jewish National Home in the Middle East was a decision based on the observation that the Jewish People needed a "safe haven" if the culture was remain viable and survive. And it was determined that basically, it was more important and beneficial to protect and safeguard the Jewish Culture from further attrition at the hands of present and future anti-Semitic regimes, to prevent the continuation of the cultural devastation as demonstrated by the historical indifference of most Europeans --- and --- the open collaboration of political regimes to target and murder of Jews to achieve some political end.

Even if there was a clear understanding as to what is meant by the "indigenous population" --- and --- when a migrating population or an immigrating population has assimilated enough to be identified with the indigenous population; would it really matter if the objective to to save a culture in distress?

Most Respectfully,
R

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.​

All of the people, Muslims, Christians, and Jews, who normally lived in Palestine when it was created after WWI became citizens of Palestine. That is the standard procedure. All of those new countries did the same thing.

There is nothing to dispute.

Actually, you're befuddled, as usual.

Palestine was the description of an undefined, noncontiguous land area. That's why it's comical to read of islamists referring to "Pal'istanians". That label for an invented people with an invented national identify was the creation of the now, thankfully dead, Arafat.

The Treaty of Lausanne came into force on August 6, 1924. It stated that the Ottoman nationals who were "habitually residents" of what became Palestine "will become ipso facto" nationals of that state.

The Palestine Citizenship Order was enacted by Britain on 24 July 1925.[4] It began by granting Palestinian citizenship to "Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925"

History of Palestinian nationality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

Just like I said.

 

[Challenger]

The Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese squatters were not indigenous.

Yes they are, far more so than the Zionist colonists from central and eastern Europe.

 

[Phoenall]

Rehmani, Phoenall, MJB12741, et al,

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.

Why has Israel allowed all the Muslim Palestinian land theiving squatters to remain in Israel?
Israel Palestine: Who’s Indigenous?

If jews are indigenous then why they look more Russian,American, Iranian but not Palestinian or Arab.

Because arab and Palestinian never lived in Israel, they are illegal immigrants from the south and north. Thje jews look like Jews and their DNA matches that of the Jews who never left the Holy Land

Rubbish!

(COMMENT)

You can read and research all the various studies concerning the sample , analysis and testing of Mitochondrial DNA (MtDNA) of the Jewish People and still not have a definitive biological answer to what is basically a political question.

The attempt of these various DNA studies is to lend some scientific molecular genetic research credibility to the genetic ancestry of contemporary Jewish populations and whether there is some reasonable evidence demonstrated that their is a relationship to the ancient Israelites of the Middle East that lived two or three millennium ago. I'm not even sure that this is relevant; let alone a question that can be answered.

The establishment of the Jewish National Home in the Middle East was a decision based on the observation that the Jewish People needed a "safe haven" if the culture was remain viable and survive. And it was determined that basically, it was more important and beneficial to protect and safeguard the Jewish Culture from further attrition at the hands of present and future anti-Semitic regimes, to prevent the continuation of the cultural devastation as demonstrated by the historical indifference of most Europeans --- and --- the open collaboration of political regimes to target and murder of Jews to achieve some political end.

Even if there was a clear understanding as to what is meant by the "indigenous population" --- and --- when a migrating population or an immigrating population has assimilated enough to be identified with the indigenous population; would it really matter if the objective to to save a culture in distress?

Most Respectfully,
R

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.​

All of the people, Muslims, Christians, and Jews, who normally lived in Palestine when it was created after WWI became citizens of Palestine. That is the standard procedure. All of those new countries did the same thing.

There is nothing to dispute.

Apart from what do we do with all those who migrated illegally to Palestine after 1923, which would be 80% of the current aqrab muslim population.

 

[Phoenall]

Rehmani, Phoenall, MJB12741, et al,

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.

Because arab and Palestinian never lived in Israel, they are illegal immigrants from the south and north. Thje jews look like Jews and their DNA matches that of the Jews who never left the Holy Land

Rubbish!

(COMMENT)

You can read and research all the various studies concerning the sample , analysis and testing of Mitochondrial DNA (MtDNA) of the Jewish People and still not have a definitive biological answer to what is basically a political question.

The attempt of these various DNA studies is to lend some scientific molecular genetic research credibility to the genetic ancestry of contemporary Jewish populations and whether there is some reasonable evidence demonstrated that their is a relationship to the ancient Israelites of the Middle East that lived two or three millennium ago. I'm not even sure that this is relevant; let alone a question that can be answered.

The establishment of the Jewish National Home in the Middle East was a decision based on the observation that the Jewish People needed a "safe haven" if the culture was remain viable and survive. And it was determined that basically, it was more important and beneficial to protect and safeguard the Jewish Culture from further attrition at the hands of present and future anti-Semitic regimes, to prevent the continuation of the cultural devastation as demonstrated by the historical indifference of most Europeans --- and --- the open collaboration of political regimes to target and murder of Jews to achieve some political end.

Even if there was a clear understanding as to what is meant by the "indigenous population" --- and --- when a migrating population or an immigrating population has assimilated enough to be identified with the indigenous population; would it really matter if the objective to to save a culture in distress?

Most Respectfully,
R

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.​

All of the people, Muslims, Christians, and Jews, who normally lived in Palestine when it was created after WWI became citizens of Palestine. That is the standard procedure. All of those new countries did the same thing.

There is nothing to dispute.

Actually, you're befuddled, as usual.

Palestine was the description of an undefined, noncontiguous land area. That's why it's comical to read of islamists referring to "Pal'istanians". That label for an invented people with an invented national identify was the creation of the now, thankfully dead, Arafat.

The Treaty of Lausanne came into force on August 6, 1924. It stated that the Ottoman nationals who were "habitually residents" of what became Palestine "will become ipso facto" nationals of that state.

The Palestine Citizenship Order was enacted by Britain on 24 July 1925.[4] It began by granting Palestinian citizenship to "Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925"

History of Palestinian nationality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

Just like I said.

No it doesn't try reading it again

Rehmani, Phoenall, MJB12741, et al,

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.

Because arab and Palestinian never lived in Israel, they are illegal immigrants from the south and north. Thje jews look like Jews and their DNA matches that of the Jews who never left the Holy Land

Rubbish!

(COMMENT)

You can read and research all the various studies concerning the sample , analysis and testing of Mitochondrial DNA (MtDNA) of the Jewish People and still not have a definitive biological answer to what is basically a political question.

The attempt of these various DNA studies is to lend some scientific molecular genetic research credibility to the genetic ancestry of contemporary Jewish populations and whether there is some reasonable evidence demonstrated that their is a relationship to the ancient Israelites of the Middle East that lived two or three millennium ago. I'm not even sure that this is relevant; let alone a question that can be answered.

The establishment of the Jewish National Home in the Middle East was a decision based on the observation that the Jewish People needed a "safe haven" if the culture was remain viable and survive. And it was determined that basically, it was more important and beneficial to protect and safeguard the Jewish Culture from further attrition at the hands of present and future anti-Semitic regimes, to prevent the continuation of the cultural devastation as demonstrated by the historical indifference of most Europeans --- and --- the open collaboration of political regimes to target and murder of Jews to achieve some political end.

Even if there was a clear understanding as to what is meant by the "indigenous population" --- and --- when a migrating population or an immigrating population has assimilated enough to be identified with the indigenous population; would it really matter if the objective to to save a culture in distress?

Most Respectfully,
R

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.​

All of the people, Muslims, Christians, and Jews, who normally lived in Palestine when it was created after WWI became citizens of Palestine. That is the standard procedure. All of those new countries did the same thing.

There is nothing to dispute.

Actually, you're befuddled, as usual.

Palestine was the description of an undefined, noncontiguous land area. That's why it's comical to read of islamists referring to "Pal'istanians". That label for an invented people with an invented national identify was the creation of the now, thankfully dead, Arafat.

The Treaty of Lausanne came into force on August 6, 1924. It stated that the Ottoman nationals who were "habitually residents" of what became Palestine "will become ipso facto" nationals of that state.

The Palestine Citizenship Order was enacted by Britain on 24 July 1925.[4] It began by granting Palestinian citizenship to "Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925"

History of Palestinian nationality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

Just like I said.

What state would that be then