Indigenous Palestinians Were JEWS

[Phoenall]

The Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese squatters were not indigenous.

Yes they are, far more so than the Zionist colonists from central and eastern Europe.

So you are saying a foreign migrant from Egypt, Syria or Lebanon are more indigenous than a Jew from Jerusalem ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese squatters were not indigenous.

Yes they are, far more so than the Zionist colonists from central and eastern Europe.

So you are saying a foreign migrant from Egypt, Syria or Lebanon are more indigenous than a Jew from Jerusalem ?

The law did not distinguish any difference. Everyone who normally lived there became citizens of Palestine. That was the only defining factor. Nothing else mattered.

 

[Phoenall]

The Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese squatters were not indigenous.

Yes they are, far more so than the Zionist colonists from central and eastern Europe.

So you are saying a foreign migrant from Egypt, Syria or Lebanon are more indigenous than a Jew from Jerusalem ?

The law did not distinguish any difference. Everyone who normally lived there became citizens of Palestine. That was the only defining factor. Nothing else mattered.

They became citizens of British Palestine if you read the treaties correctly, which is why they were issued with British Palestinian passports

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese squatters were not indigenous.

Yes they are, far more so than the Zionist colonists from central and eastern Europe.

So you are saying a foreign migrant from Egypt, Syria or Lebanon are more indigenous than a Jew from Jerusalem ?

The law did not distinguish any difference. Everyone who normally lived there became citizens of Palestine. That was the only defining factor. Nothing else mattered.

They became citizens of British Palestine if you read the treaties correctly, which is why they were issued with British Palestinian passports

More Israeli bullshit. Well, that is all you have.

With regard to nationality of the inhabitants of mandated territories, in general, the Council of the League of Nations adopted the following resolution on 23 April 1923:

“(1) The status of the native inhabitants of a Mandated territory is distinct from that of the nationals of the Mandatory Power....
(2) The native inhabitants of a Mandated territory are not invested with the nationality of the Mandatory Power by means of the protection extended to them…”92

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel​

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What does this have to do with anything.

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More Israeli bullshit. Well, that is all you have.

With regard to nationality of the inhabitants of mandated territories, in general, the Council of the League of Nations adopted the following resolution on 23 April 1923:

“(1) The status of the native inhabitants of a Mandated territory is distinct from that of the nationals of the Mandatory Power....
(2) The native inhabitants of a Mandated territory are not invested with the nationality of the Mandatory Power by means of the protection extended to them…”92

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel​

(COMMENT)

You quoted something that doesn't even apply in our context. These two sentences say (in effect):

1) The Arabs of the relinquished Ottoman territory are different from normal UK Citizens.
2) The Arabs of the relinquished Ottoman territory are not given UK Citizenship.​

The inhabitants of the territory to which the Mandate of Palestine applied, would fall under the Palestine Order in Council and the Citizenship Order.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MJB12741]

Rehmani, Phoenall, MJB12741, et al,

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.

Why has Israel allowed all the Muslim Palestinian land theiving squatters to remain in Israel?
Israel Palestine: Who’s Indigenous?

If jews are indigenous then why they look more Russian,American, Iranian but not Palestinian or Arab.

Because arab and Palestinian never lived in Israel, they are illegal immigrants from the south and north. Thje jews look like Jews and their DNA matches that of the Jews who never left the Holy Land

Rubbish!

(COMMENT)

You can read and research all the various studies concerning the sample , analysis and testing of Mitochondrial DNA (MtDNA) of the Jewish People and still not have a definitive biological answer to what is basically a political question.

The attempt of these various DNA studies is to lend some scientific molecular genetic research credibility to the genetic ancestry of contemporary Jewish populations and whether there is some reasonable evidence demonstrated that their is a relationship to the ancient Israelites of the Middle East that lived two or three millennium ago. I'm not even sure that this is relevant; let alone a question that can be answered.

The establishment of the Jewish National Home in the Middle East was a decision based on the observation that the Jewish People needed a "safe haven" if the culture was remain viable and survive. And it was determined that basically, it was more important and beneficial to protect and safeguard the Jewish Culture from further attrition at the hands of present and future anti-Semitic regimes, to prevent the continuation of the cultural devastation as demonstrated by the historical indifference of most Europeans --- and --- the open collaboration of political regimes to target and murder of Jews to achieve some political end.

Even if there was a clear understanding as to what is meant by the "indigenous population" --- and --- when a migrating population or an immigrating population has assimilated enough to be identified with the indigenous population; would it really matter if the objective to to save a culture in distress?

Most Respectfully,
R

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.​

All of the people, Muslims, Christians, and Jews, who normally lived in Palestine when it was created after WWI became citizens of Palestine. That is the standard procedure. All of those new countries did the same thing.

There is nothing to dispute.

Oh now I get it. So people can just move onto some land & thus they are citizens.

 

[montelatici]

You mean like the Jews from Europe and went to Palestine?

 

[Phoenall]

The Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese squatters were not indigenous.

Yes they are, far more so than the Zionist colonists from central and eastern Europe.

So you are saying a foreign migrant from Egypt, Syria or Lebanon are more indigenous than a Jew from Jerusalem ?

The law did not distinguish any difference. Everyone who normally lived there became citizens of Palestine. That was the only defining factor. Nothing else mattered.

They became citizens of British Palestine if you read the treaties correctly, which is why they were issued with British Palestinian passports

More Israeli bullshit. Well, that is all you have.

With regard to nationality of the inhabitants of mandated territories, in general, the Council of the League of Nations adopted the following resolution on 23 April 1923:

“(1) The status of the native inhabitants of a Mandated territory is distinct from that of the nationals of the Mandatory Power....
(2) The native inhabitants of a Mandated territory are not invested with the nationality of the Mandatory Power by means of the protection extended to them…”92

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel​

Correct and because there was no nation of Palestine they had to have a nationality invented for them. This nationality was British Palestinian. Unless you can find a passport issued by the Palestinian government of the time that just says Palestine ?

 

[Phoenall]

You mean like the Jews from Europe and went to Palestine?

How about the Catholics from Italy just went to the Americas then, and claimed the lands as theirs because their pope said so ?

 

[RoccoR]

MJB12741, et al,

The statement is not exactly accurate.

Oh now I get it. So people can just move onto some land & thus they are citizens.

(COMMENT)

The Palestine that the Order in Council is referring to is: The Palestine as determined by the Allied Powers and to which the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. This was NOT some new legal entity created by a WWI event, it was definitely NOT a sovereign state.

To say that "Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine" is to say: Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. It just allowed for the Mandate Power to issue Passports for Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Indeependent]

You mean like the Jews from Europe and went to Palestine?

I believe I already supplied the one thousand years of documentation that shows Jews went from Judea to Rome back to Israel.
You're really into ignoring material you can find on Wikipedia, Amazon or a Judaic bookstore.

 

[theliq]

Why has Israel allowed all the Muslim Palestinian land theiving squatters to remain in Israel?

Israel Palestine: Who’s Indigenous?

They were muslims and christian and chose ti stay in stead if running. They might have been people that actually owned land for generations. Some returned because they had family living in Israel, they become Israelis.
There were a number of way to go to Israel.
that ended with Olso

>>1948 until 2001, Israel allowed about 184,000 Palestinians to settle in Israel.<<

>>In November 2012, Palestinian Authority President Mahmud Abbas repeated his stance that the claim of return was not to his original hometown, but to a Palestinian state that would be established<<

Idiot,

 

[theliq]

MJB12741, et al,

The statement is not exactly accurate.

Oh now I get it. So people can just move onto some land & thus they are citizens.

(COMMENT)

The Palestine that the Order in Council is referring to is: The Palestine as determined by the Allied Powers and to which the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. This was NOT some new legal entity created by a WWI event, it was definitely NOT a sovereign state.

To say that "Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine" is to say: Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. It just allowed for the Mandate Power to issue Passports for Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

AND THE AREA WAS CALLED PALESTINE for the majority of the population who had been there for centuries or tens of centuries to be exact........they were NOT THE JEWS, THEY WERE THE PALESTINIANS..FACT...THERE WERE NEVER MORE OTTOMANS LIVING THERE AT ANYTIME<THAN THE PALESTINIANS......the Jews were hardly mentioned as their numbers were so minute.With Respect Rocco.....Steve

 

[theliq]

MJB12741,

The definition of "Indigenous People(s)" is tricky to say the least. The definition is often self serving.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"
​

Who’s Indigenous?

(COMMENT)

There is NO Universally accepted definition for "Indigenous People." Why? (Rhetorical) Simply because it raises difficult questions that cannot be settled accurately by law.

The Ohio Scenario

If the Canadians mount a successful amphibious assault from Ontario and captures the State of Ohio, who are considered the "indigenous population?"
OR, is it still the Iroquois, Miami, and Shawnee Tribes that inhabited the Ohio Valley (territory west of the Appalachian Mountains) in the time of the French and Indian Wars?
OR, was it the first American Settlers that moving west and encroaching on the indian inhabitants?
​

It is tied up in the nebulas phrase "historical ties to a particular territory;" or as the Allied Powers said at San Remo: "the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine." In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British]. (List from Wikipedia --- History of Palestine) This is what the Allied Powers saw in the way of History. This is part of the thought process that ultimately lead them to the decisions they made.

Yes, we also consider cultural and historical distinction, ethnic groups associated, and a share sense of identity. But in the end, you have to ask yourself, how long do you look back in time to determine "indigenous?"

Most Respectfully,
R

well I can tell you for nothing Rocco,Jews were definately sic NOT THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES OF THIS LAND.......NOT BY A LONG HAUL..steve and you know it

 

[Rehmani]

Why has Israel allowed all the Muslim Palestinian land theiving squatters to remain in Israel?

Israel Palestine: Who’s Indigenous?

If jews are indigenous then why they look more Russian,American, Iranian but not Palestinian or Arab.

Because arab and Palestinian never lived in Israel, they are illegal immigrants from the south and north. Thje jews look like Jews and their DNA matches that of the Jews who never left the Holy Land

Rubbish!

Prove me wrong and you will be the first to do so, but no islamonazi propaganda sources

You speak yourself that you are wrong.

 

[Challenger]

The Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese squatters were not indigenous.

Yes they are, far more so than the Zionist colonists from central and eastern Europe.

So you are saying a foreign migrant from Egypt, Syria or Lebanon are more indigenous than a Jew from Jerusalem ?

The law did not distinguish any difference. Everyone who normally lived there became citizens of Palestine. That was the only defining factor. Nothing else mattered.

They became citizens of British Palestine if you read the treaties correctly, which is why they were issued with British Palestinian passports

More Israeli bullshit. Well, that is all you have.

With regard to nationality of the inhabitants of mandated territories, in general, the Council of the League of Nations adopted the following resolution on 23 April 1923:

“(1) The status of the native inhabitants of a Mandated territory is distinct from that of the nationals of the Mandatory Power....
(2) The native inhabitants of a Mandated territory are not invested with the nationality of the Mandatory Power by means of the protection extended to them…”92

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel​

Interesting link, thanks for sharing.

 

[montelatici]

You mean like the Jews from Europe and went to Palestine?

I believe I already supplied the one thousand years of documentation that shows Jews went from Judea to Rome back to Israel.
You're really into ignoring material you can find on Wikipedia, Amazon or a Judaic bookstore.

Though completely false, even if it were true, I doubt that the people of Normandy who left Scandinavia a thousand or so years ago, would be welcome to set up a state for themselves in Norway at the expense of the Norwegians, you idiot.

You are ignoring the facts and accepting propaganda, which is what Hasbara editors have published in Wiki.

Now the facts:

"Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European"

"Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago."

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

 

[RoccoR]

theliq, et al,

The reliance on the concept of "indigenous" (rights or population) is a slippery slope.

MJB12741,

The definition of "Indigenous People(s)" is tricky to say the least. The definition is often self serving.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"
​

Who’s Indigenous?

(COMMENT)

There is NO Universally accepted definition for "Indigenous People." Why? (Rhetorical) Simply because it raises difficult questions that cannot be settled accurately by law.

The Ohio Scenario

If the Canadians mount a successful amphibious assault from Ontario and captures the State of Ohio, who are considered the "indigenous population?"
OR, is it still the Iroquois, Miami, and Shawnee Tribes that inhabited the Ohio Valley (territory west of the Appalachian Mountains) in the time of the French and Indian Wars?
OR, was it the first American Settlers that moving west and encroaching on the indian inhabitants?
​

It is tied up in the nebulas phrase "historical ties to a particular territory;" or as the Allied Powers said at San Remo: "the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine." In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British]. (List from Wikipedia --- History of Palestine) This is what the Allied Powers saw in the way of History. This is part of the thought process that ultimately lead them to the decisions they made.

Yes, we also consider cultural and historical distinction, ethnic groups associated, and a share sense of identity. But in the end, you have to ask yourself, how long do you look back in time to determine "indigenous?"

Most Respectfully,
R

well I can tell you for nothing Rocco,Jews were definately sic NOT THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES OF THIS LAND.......NOT BY A LONG HAUL..steve and you know it

(COMMENT)

The Anglo-Saxons of England were the members of Germanic-speaking groups who migrated (≈ AD 400 to AD 600) to the southern half of the island from continental Europe, and their cultural. Then, in about ≈ 1066, Duke William of Normandy invaded England (from France), ending ≈ 500 years of Saxon rule (Battle of Hastings.). Today, who is the indigenous population? Its a rhetorical question because it doesn't matter.

What this does indicate is that at some point, just as the Anglo-Saxons became the "indigenous population" over the post Roman era inhabitants, --- so it was that the Normans assimilated the survivors and they mix became indigenous. How long does it take to become the "indigenous population?"

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Rehmani]

Rehmani, Phoenall, MJB12741, et al,

I really don't think that this argument about who is an "indigenous population" to the territory is going anywhere.

Why has Israel allowed all the Muslim Palestinian land theiving squatters to remain in Israel?
Israel Palestine: Who’s Indigenous?

If jews are indigenous then why they look more Russian,American, Iranian but not Palestinian or Arab.

Because arab and Palestinian never lived in Israel, they are illegal immigrants from the south and north. Thje jews look like Jews and their DNA matches that of the Jews who never left the Holy Land

Rubbish!

(COMMENT)

You can read and research all the various studies concerning the sample , analysis and testing of Mitochondrial DNA (MtDNA) of the Jewish People and still not have a definitive biological answer to what is basically a political question.

The attempt of these various DNA studies is to lend some scientific molecular genetic research credibility to the genetic ancestry of contemporary Jewish populations and whether there is some reasonable evidence demonstrated that their is a relationship to the ancient Israelites of the Middle East that lived two or three millennium ago. I'm not even sure that this is relevant; let alone a question that can be answered.

The establishment of the Jewish National Home in the Middle East was a decision based on the observation that the Jewish People needed a "safe haven" if the culture was remain viable and survive. And it was determined that basically, it was more important and beneficial to protect and safeguard the Jewish Culture from further attrition at the hands of present and future anti-Semitic regimes, to prevent the continuation of the cultural devastation as demonstrated by the historical indifference of most Europeans --- and --- the open collaboration of political regimes to target and murder of Jews to achieve some political end.

Even if there was a clear understanding as to what is meant by the "indigenous population" --- and --- when a migrating population or an immigrating population has assimilated enough to be identified with the indigenous population; would it really matter if the objective to to save a culture in distress?

Most Respectfully,
R

RoccoR I agreed with you and I am sure you will agree with me too. Because Jew want to revive their culture, It means put millions and millions Palestinian in camps around their home land for 70 years and force them to live abroad as refugee and kill them brutally again and again if they lift their voice for free their home land.
And Roccor Jew don't mix up with other as know. And Roccor you also know that Arab League about 30 years ago offer to jews if they go back to 19 67 border all muslim countries will accept Israel as nation but jew keep avoiding it because they don't trust others or because they are paranoid, if this is the case how come jew culture would be stress free and how and when suffering Palestinian would get their home land free and do you think in this situation peace is possible, specially when all your neighbors are Arab on Arab land jew behaving as a paranoid. And when jew living around the world specially in muslim countries comfortably like iran,afghanistan and Pakistan until 1980 and still living in Arab countries have no problem and whole Europe and America owned by them and then why they need Israel to trouble innocent Palestinian, please them they are not special race and masya is not coming complete line of Prophets and make the world peace full thansk.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

Just how are you trying to use this information and to prove what.

You mean like the Jews from Europe and went to Palestine?

I believe I already supplied the one thousand years of documentation that shows Jews went from Judea to Rome back to Israel.
You're really into ignoring material you can find on Wikipedia, Amazon or a Judaic bookstore.

Though completely false, even if it were true, I doubt that the people of Normandy who left Scandinavia a thousand or so years ago, would be welcome to set up a state for themselves in Norway at the expense of the Norwegians, you idiot.

You are ignoring the facts and accepting propaganda, which is what Hasbara editors have published in Wiki.

Now the facts:

"Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European"

"Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago."

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

(COMMENT)

Almost 2000 years ago, (≈ AD 70), Jews were expelled en masse in 70 CE by their Roman conquerors (The Roman army, led by the future Emperor Titus). So what does the timeline prove to you?

Most Respectfully,
R