INDIANA’S NOW INFAMOUS ANTI-GAY PIZZA PLACE FORCED TO CLOSE IN UNDER ONE DAY

[Conservative65]

The mods are very inconsistent in their ways. More than once, one of your kind indicated he'd slap my white wife on the ass, she'd laugh, and there was nothing I could do about it. Funny how nothing happened.

Do you think I care? If you do, you're a dumber piece of shit than I thought.

Lolol, i think your rage should be kept around. You add vile troll character to the site, which is better than no character eh?

Funny how anyone who disagree with your low-class kind is a troll. You would do yourself well to have my level of character. At least people that matter would actually respect you then.

Do you talk to imaginary friends and Wilson soccer balls, too?

The people I talk to have the same high level of character I have. People like you I talk down to as inferior have the mentality of a soccer ball.

High level like....


High on meth?

Or is it like a high from aerosal cans?

Buddy, you have less class than a slore out back of a 7/11. You talk exactly like a lowly educated street thug from Philly with your ****** this and n**ger that.

Get ******* real. The women ive fucked wouldnt even allow you to step within 100yards of their driveways.

Like someone willing to stick to their principled beliefs not change them like the weather.

I wouldn't go near the doorknobs you claim to have been with. Unlike you, I don't treat women like a piece. Why would I go near someone that has been with a piece of dog shit like you. It proves they are as low class as you. By the way, most trailers don't have driveways. They are on dirt roads.

I call something what it is. If a black calls him/herself a n*gger, why should I disagree and not do the same?

 

[G.T.]

Lol see? Told ya.

I had proof of the you saying ****** part.

I guessed on the n word and looky here, i was right

**** outta here mothballs.

 

[Anathema]

The whole anti gay minded population I consider "bad people."

I honestly don't think they're good people, at all. They're a bad person, and I have no empathy for bad people.

That's okay. We don't consider you people nor do we consider your opinions to be relevant

 

[G.T.]

The whole anti gay minded population I consider "bad people."

I honestly don't think they're good people, at all. They're a bad person, and I have no empathy for bad people.

That's okay. We don't consider you people nor do we consider your opinions to be relevant

Kay thanks for quoting something you dont consider to make sure you mentioned you dont consider it.

Just in case.

 

[idb]

Walkerton, Indiana had a dark storefront Wednesday night as Memories, the now infamous bigoted pizza parlor has decided to close its doors until “temperatures cool.”

After what they probably thought was a brilliant marketing ploy to get bigots across Indiana to start having their weddings catered with extra cheese and pepperoni, the owners had no choice but to shutter the business or continue to face an onslaught of social media backlash, extremely negative press and what they described as “threatening phone calls.”


Memories Indiana s Now Infamous Anti-Gay Pizza Place Forced To Close In Under One Day If You Only News

They're making way more money playing the victim card.
Opening then closing again in a blaze of publicity was a brilliant marketing move.
They'll never have to open again now.

 

[boedicca]

Walkerton, Indiana had a dark storefront Wednesday night as Memories, the now infamous bigoted pizza parlor has decided to close its doors until “temperatures cool.”

After what they probably thought was a brilliant marketing ploy to get bigots across Indiana to start having their weddings catered with extra cheese and pepperoni, the owners had no choice but to shutter the business or continue to face an onslaught of social media backlash, extremely negative press and what they described as “threatening phone calls.”


Memories Indiana s Now Infamous Anti-Gay Pizza Place Forced To Close In Under One Day If You Only News

They're making way more money playing the victim card.
Opening then closing again in a blaze of publicity was a brilliant marketing move.
They'll never have to open again now.

Oh look! Another Pizza Truther!

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

Great thread, it's the kind of thread that made the Christian based pizzeria millionaires. Your hatred was countered, by Christian love.

 

[Andylusion]

Walkerton, Indiana had a dark storefront Wednesday night as Memories, the now infamous bigoted pizza parlor has decided to close its doors until “temperatures cool.”

After what they probably thought was a brilliant marketing ploy to get bigots across Indiana to start having their weddings catered with extra cheese and pepperoni, the owners had no choice but to shutter the business or continue to face an onslaught of social media backlash, extremely negative press and what they described as “threatening phone calls.”


Memories Indiana s Now Infamous Anti-Gay Pizza Place Forced To Close In Under One Day If You Only News

They're making way more money playing the victim card.
Opening then closing again in a blaze of publicity was a brilliant marketing move.
They'll never have to open again now.

So strange. First off, did you actually read the article? The reporter went to their shop. The shop didn't call up the reporter, and ask for an interview. The reporters, by their own admission went and found the store, in a tiny little town in the middle of nowhere.

Walkerton Indiana - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

It's a town only 2 Sq Miles, with only 2,000 residents, and only one main road, route 6, that runs through it.

The reporters were intentionally hunting for someone with a openly Christian faith business, to talk to.

Second, Publicity is a joke. Again, the entire town is only 2,000 people. I wager, nearly all of them already knew about the pizza shop, given the entire town is only 2 sq miles. No amount of publicity is going to drastically alter their sales. The nearest real city, is south bend, which is over a half hour away. I highly doubt they are going to get significant traffic from south bend, just because they were on the news.

 

[Disir]

Did that really happen? What news paper were the ads in and when did they run?

Let me guess...you all of the sudden have mass amnesia and can't remember or "choose not to"....right sparky?

You can believe whatever you want to believe. Columbus Dispatch, in the early 90s. But if you wish to question it, I'll give you a hint... I've done it myself. I live in a two bedroom condo, and offered a room up for rent, but I made it absolutely clear, must be a Christian, and must go to church, and must have a Bible. Yes, must have a bible. I had a roomy for about 2 years, and they moved on. Haven't had another.

But yes, this is not all that uncommon. We just don't advertise openly anymore. But we still do it. I promise you.

I didn't say that you dimwitted ****. Fix it.

 

[Andylusion]

The whole anti gay minded population I consider "bad people."

I honestly don't think they're good people, at all. They're a bad person, and I have no empathy for bad people.

That's okay. We don't consider you people nor do we consider your opinions to be relevant

Kay thanks for quoting something you dont consider to make sure you mentioned you dont consider it.

Just in case.

I actually agree with her though. That's why I'm replying. It's to let everyone know what we think, not because we care what you think.

This is a difficult concept, but I believe in G-d. And he is who I am worried about pleasing. Not man. So when a man says he thinks I'm a bad person.... ok? So? Your opinion of me, isn't important. G-d's opinion is.

So you don't have empathy for me. And I should care why? G-d, does have empathy for me. That's what I care about.

So why am I here on this forum? Again... to let everyone know that Christians are still in America... we're not leaving... and we're not changing. So, best get used to it.

 

[Disir]

Did that really happen? What news paper were the ads in and when did they run?

Let me guess...you all of the sudden have mass amnesia and can't remember or "choose not to"....right sparky?

You can believe whatever you want to believe. Columbus Dispatch, in the early 90s. But if you wish to question it, I'll give you a hint... I've done it myself. I live in a two bedroom condo, and offered a room up for rent, but I made it absolutely clear, must be a Christian, and must go to church, and must have a Bible. Yes, must have a bible. I had a roomy for about 2 years, and they moved on. Haven't had another.

But yes, this is not all that uncommon. We just don't advertise openly anymore. But we still do it. I promise you.

I didn't say that you dimwitted ****. Fix it.

You are quite the jerk. Aren't you? I just hit quote like any other. It quoted incorrectly.

Next time, helpful hint.... Say "That isn't my quote. It quoted wrong". Instead of just being a complete jerk to people.

Its not like I did something intentionally, but you sure were a jerk intentionally. Grow up.

I tried that. You carried on. **** you.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The whole anti gay minded population I consider "bad people."

I honestly don't think they're good people, at all. They're a bad person, and I have no empathy for bad people.

That's okay. We don't consider you people nor do we consider your opinions to be relevant

Kay thanks for quoting something you dont consider to make sure you mentioned you dont consider it.

Just in case.

I actually agree with her though. That's why I'm replying. It's to let everyone know what we think, not because we care what you think.

This is a difficult concept, but I believe in G-d. And he is who I am worried about pleasing. Not man. So when a man says he thinks I'm a bad person.... ok? So? Your opinion of me, isn't important. G-d's opinion is.

So you don't have empathy for me. And I should care why? G-d, does have empathy for me. That's what I care about.

So why am I here on this forum? Again... to let everyone know that Christians are still in America... we're not leaving... and we're not changing. So, best get used to it.

And no one's asking you or any other Christian to 'leave' America or 'change,' only understand and obey the law just like everyone else – understand that public accommodations laws in no way 'interfere' with 'religious liberty,' and that religious beliefs do not 'exempt' someone from obeying a just and proper law, such as public accommodations laws.

Otherwise you're at liberty to believe in your 'god' and practice your religion as you see fit, no one is seeking to prevent you from doing so.

 

[Disir]

The whole anti gay minded population I consider "bad people."

I honestly don't think they're good people, at all. They're a bad person, and I have no empathy for bad people.

That's okay. We don't consider you people nor do we consider your opinions to be relevant

Kay thanks for quoting something you dont consider to make sure you mentioned you dont consider it.

Just in case.

I actually agree with her though. That's why I'm replying. It's to let everyone know what we think, not because we care what you think.

This is a difficult concept, but I believe in G-d. And he is who I am worried about pleasing. Not man. So when a man says he thinks I'm a bad person.... ok? So? Your opinion of me, isn't important. G-d's opinion is.

So you don't have empathy for me. And I should care why? G-d, does have empathy for me. That's what I care about.

So why am I here on this forum? Again... to let everyone know that Christians are still in America... we're not leaving... and we're not changing. So, best get used to it.

You ******* pie

Did that really happen? What news paper were the ads in and when did they run?

Let me guess...you all of the sudden have mass amnesia and can't remember or "choose not to"....right sparky?

You can believe whatever you want to believe. Columbus Dispatch, in the early 90s. But if you wish to question it, I'll give you a hint... I've done it myself. I live in a two bedroom condo, and offered a room up for rent, but I made it absolutely clear, must be a Christian, and must go to church, and must have a Bible. Yes, must have a bible. I had a roomy for about 2 years, and they moved on. Haven't had another.

But yes, this is not all that uncommon. We just don't advertise openly anymore. But we still do it. I promise you.

I didn't say that you dimwitted ****. Fix it.

You are quite the jerk. Aren't you? I just hit quote like any other. It quoted incorrectly.

Next time, helpful hint.... Say "That isn't my quote. It quoted wrong". Instead of just being a complete jerk to people.

Its not like I did something intentionally, but you sure were a jerk intentionally. Grow up.

I tried that. You carried on. **** you.

Grow up. You need to be specific. I had no idea you were referring to the quote being wrong. I assumed you meant something I said.

IF you can't respond maturely, that's your problem not mine.

You grow up.

You're a ******* idiot. Not worth my time. I'm not a pagan either. Welcome to ignore.

 

[Andylusion]

The whole anti gay minded population I consider "bad people."

I honestly don't think they're good people, at all. They're a bad person, and I have no empathy for bad people.

That's okay. We don't consider you people nor do we consider your opinions to be relevant

Kay thanks for quoting something you dont consider to make sure you mentioned you dont consider it.

Just in case.

I actually agree with her though. That's why I'm replying. It's to let everyone know what we think, not because we care what you think.

This is a difficult concept, but I believe in G-d. And he is who I am worried about pleasing. Not man. So when a man says he thinks I'm a bad person.... ok? So? Your opinion of me, isn't important. G-d's opinion is.

So you don't have empathy for me. And I should care why? G-d, does have empathy for me. That's what I care about.

So why am I here on this forum? Again... to let everyone know that Christians are still in America... we're not leaving... and we're not changing. So, best get used to it.

And no one's asking you or any other Christian to 'leave' America or 'change,' only understand and obey the law just like everyone else – understand that public accommodations laws in no way 'interfere' with 'religious liberty,' and that religious beliefs do not 'exempt' someone from obeying a just and proper laws, such as public accommodations laws.

Otherwise you're at liberty to believe in your 'god' and practice your religion as you see fit, no one is seeking to prevent you from doing so.

Well my religion says that I should not have anything to do with homosexual marriage. My business makes wedding cakes.

I have the right to practice my religion. I also have freedom of association.

I will follow your public accommodation laws, up to the point they violate my religious laws. G-d is greater than man, on the authority list.

Therefore... where a gay couple comes in and demands I make them a cake for their wedding... the answer is "no".

religious beliefs do not 'exempt' someone from obeying a just and proper laws, such as public accommodations laws

If that means that I can say "no" to the gay couple wanting a wedding cake from me, ok. We're in agreement, and everything is fine.

If you think I'm going to make a cake for a gay wedding because of accommodation laws.... sorry. That's not happening. I don't care if you think it exempts me from 'obeying proper laws' or not. We're not doing it.

Now what?

 

[candycorn]

I doubt that...it's probably not that "hard earned".

I do hope they keep it up though....

It's amazing how people on the left claim to hate prejudice, and then pre-judge everyone..... and constantly.

Do tell Candy...... why is my money not "hard earned"? What 'definition' of hard earned exempts everyone who chooses to donate to a cause they believe in?

Hard earned dollars are usually the Last to be given to total strangers on the internet dumb dumb.

But hey....this does show the Obama economy is doing very well if you putzes can just hand over your cash.

Insults. Great. Good way to win people to your argument.

Ok, so I make about $23,000 a year. (according to my tax return). I work 10 hour shifts, 4 days a week. I personally donated to the fund myself.

So...let me ask you this question. What price-tag do you put on someone being driven into insolvency through their own actions? Had they said, "We don't cater, period" which is the truth by the way....none of this would have taken place. But they told the little white lie they did and bingo......payday.

As for your paycheck...ouch.

What makes the dollars that I gave, not the hard earned ones, and the others that I kept, the hard earned ones? I have no other source of income.

If you value your money and actually thought you worked hard for it, you wouldn't be contributing to a "charity" that has about a million free and clear to start with.

Actually, I was earning $30,000 under Bush. My income declined since Obama is in office.

What did you do to earn your pay decrease?

Well, already you don't seem to know the story. Had nothing to do with "catering". Here is the actual quote from the article that sparked the entire controversy.

“If a gay couple came in and wanted us to provide pizzas for their wedding, we would have to say no,” says Crystal O'Connor of Memories Pizza.​

RFRA Michiana business wouldn t cater a gay wedding - ABC57 News - See the Difference Michiana

Crystal, never mentioned the word "catering".

The title of the article, by the reporter said "Michiana business wouldn't cater a gay wedding"

But the owners of Memories Pizza, never said catering, because like you mentioned, they don't cater.

So there was no lie. If anyone 'lied', it would have to be the reporter who implied they cater weddings.

The word "cater" was mentioned on the kickstarter page:

When asked by local press the hypothetical question of whether or not they'd prefer to have their family owned business, Memories Pizza, cater a gay wedding, the owner said no citing their own religious beliefs as the reason. ​

If that is your case, the word "cater" was brought up by the reporter wrongly....when can we expect these good christians to give the money back since their position is being so badly mis-represented?



If you value your money and actually thought you worked hard for it, you wouldn't be contributing to a "charity" that has about a million free and clear to start with.

Really? Because I also donate to homeless shelters, and charities for young women from troubled
homes, and both get millions free and clear too.

Of course you do....

What did you do to earn your pay decrease?

I love the prejudice. You know absolutely nothing about me at all, and yet assume I caused it.

No big deal. FYI, I was let go when work dried up in 2010. Apparently that massive stimulus bill, stimulated my company into layoffs. Score another point for Obama.

So much for the opposition being the "party of personal responsibility" eh loser?

 

[candycorn]

The whole anti gay minded population I consider "bad people."

I honestly don't think they're good people, at all. They're a bad person, and I have no empathy for bad people.

That's okay. We don't consider you people nor do we consider your opinions to be relevant

Kay thanks for quoting something you dont consider to make sure you mentioned you dont consider it.

Just in case.

I actually agree with her though. That's why I'm replying. It's to let everyone know what we think, not because we care what you think.

This is a difficult concept, but I believe in G-d. And he is who I am worried about pleasing. Not man. So when a man says he thinks I'm a bad person.... ok? So? Your opinion of me, isn't important. G-d's opinion is.

So you don't have empathy for me. And I should care why? G-d, does have empathy for me. That's what I care about.

So why am I here on this forum? Again... to let everyone know that Christians are still in America... we're not leaving... and we're not changing. So, best get used to it.

And no one's asking you or any other Christian to 'leave' America or 'change,' only understand and obey the law just like everyone else – understand that public accommodations laws in no way 'interfere' with 'religious liberty,' and that religious beliefs do not 'exempt' someone from obeying a just and proper laws, such as public accommodations laws.

Otherwise you're at liberty to believe in your 'god' and practice your religion as you see fit, no one is seeking to prevent you from doing so.

Well my religion says that I should not have anything to do with homosexual marriage. My business makes wedding cakes.

I have the right to practice my religion. I also have freedom of association.

I will follow your public accommodation laws, up to the point they violate my religious laws. G-d is greater than man, on the authority list.

Therefore... where a gay couple comes in and demands I make them a cake for their wedding... the answer is "no".

religious beliefs do not 'exempt' someone from obeying a just and proper laws, such as public accommodations laws

If that means that I can say "no" to the gay couple wanting a wedding cake from me, ok. We're in agreement, and everything is fine.

If you think I'm going to make a cake for a gay wedding because of accommodation laws.... sorry. That's not happening. I don't care if you think it exempts me from 'obeying proper laws' or not. We're not doing it.

Now what?

So if you were a Realtor and a gay couple came in looking for a house...God's law is that you let them go without shelter?

Some "god" you've got there.

 

[BULLDOG]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Again. This did not have anything to do with the government. It's pretty simple. The sick reality is that they catered to a small group of extremists that are too ignorant to realize they were already protected. Now either you were unaware or you bought that hook, line and sinker. I'm thinking a little from column A and a little from column B.

Oh, you can still throw out people left and right but you can't do it on religious grounds.

I understand perfectly what the ramifications are. The ramifications are that nobody wants their business associated with a bunch of people who feel free to discriminate and definitely while they are trying to make a comeback and in an area that doesn't really offer people a whole lot. . Nobody wants to hold conventions in an area that discriminates. It effects their brand.

I sure can stay on topic. It's a series of moves that Indiana has taken.

Yes, it has to do with the government. That is the whole point, the Left think it should be illegal(meaning prohibited by the State) for a business owner to refuse to provide service to a homosexual wedding. People across the country have been charged by the State and fined out of business for not serving homosexuals for their weddings. They claim that homosexuals "civil rights" are being violated. So in their mind, and in yours, gay "civil rights" trump the First Amendment and rights of Christians and other religious people who feel homosexuality goes against their faith and chose not to participate or associate with it. The First Amendment is clear, Congress shall make no law prohibiting free exercise of religion, which includes an individual business owner's right to not serve a gay wedding.

The extremists here are these rogue and unethical corporations like Apple, who on one hand treat their workers in third world countries so poorly that they require suicide nets(like at their factories in China), and have the gall to lecture people of faith for not wanting to serve homosexual couples for their weddings. They are immoral and corrupt hypocrites. Free exercise of religion and protection of the Constitution and by extension Natural Law, is not the extreme position. Anti-Christian totalitarianism that is on display here is extreme, and un-American.

I thought "liberals" opposed money and corporate influence in politics. But it is ok in your mind for multinationals to blackmail the governor into undermining the democratic will of the people of Indiana and the rights of Christians and the religious? Or are you a hypocrite as well?

Corporate decisions in this case, just like every other case, are based on how it will effect their income. It would cost them money to not take the actions they took. Corporations can not make moral choices because they are not people, no matter what the SC might say.

Corporations can make ethical choices(Henry Ford for example made sure every employee could afford the car he built, for example) and subverting the legislative process and undermining the first amendment to maximize their profits by riding on this "gay rights" train is unethical. Threatening to pull jobs and investment and put workers lives at risk to maximize profit by banking off a current social trend is unethical.

As I said earlier, in a system that wasn't totally corrupt like this one, they would face punishment like trust busting for this overt influence over the political process.

Not that Apple shouldn't have been busted on several other things including worker abuse and copyright infringement among other things.

I never said they couldn't make ethical choices. I said they couldn't make moral choices. Ford's marketing scheme is often credited as one of the best ever developed. He paid his workers enough to afford the products they made which guaranteed much higher sales. He knew he would get the payroll money back when his workers bought a car. Purely financial decision.

That is such an arbitrary difference it is ridiculous, you are just avoiding the fact that this course of action by Apple is immoral, and you are just playing word games. Corporations are made up of individuals. Corporations can collectively act ethically and the individuals who comprise them can act morally in setting policy on an individual level. Honestly, your arguments are becoming pathetic because you are reduced to trying to defend the actions of a company made up of immoral individuals that collectively act unethically and are willing to subvert the political process to maximize their bottom line by appealing to faggotry.

I'm not defending corporations at all. They chose to support the gays because public sentiment supports the gays, and they didn't want to take a chance of losing money. If the majority of their customers agreed with you, their reaction would have been just the opposite. Corporations don't care about right and wrong. They just care about the bottom line.

 

[Andylusion]

It's amazing how people on the left claim to hate prejudice, and then pre-judge everyone..... and constantly.

Do tell Candy...... why is my money not "hard earned"? What 'definition' of hard earned exempts everyone who chooses to donate to a cause they believe in?

Hard earned dollars are usually the Last to be given to total strangers on the internet dumb dumb.

But hey....this does show the Obama economy is doing very well if you putzes can just hand over your cash.

Insults. Great. Good way to win people to your argument.

Ok, so I make about $23,000 a year. (according to my tax return). I work 10 hour shifts, 4 days a week. I personally donated to the fund myself.

So...let me ask you this question. What price-tag do you put on someone being driven into insolvency through their own actions? Had they said, "We don't cater, period" which is the truth by the way....none of this would have taken place. But they told the little white lie they did and bingo......payday.

As for your paycheck...ouch.

What makes the dollars that I gave, not the hard earned ones, and the others that I kept, the hard earned ones? I have no other source of income.

If you value your money and actually thought you worked hard for it, you wouldn't be contributing to a "charity" that has about a million free and clear to start with.

Actually, I was earning $30,000 under Bush. My income declined since Obama is in office.

What did you do to earn your pay decrease?

Well, already you don't seem to know the story. Had nothing to do with "catering". Here is the actual quote from the article that sparked the entire controversy.

“If a gay couple came in and wanted us to provide pizzas for their wedding, we would have to say no,” says Crystal O'Connor of Memories Pizza.​

RFRA Michiana business wouldn t cater a gay wedding - ABC57 News - See the Difference Michiana

Crystal, never mentioned the word "catering".

The title of the article, by the reporter said "Michiana business wouldn't cater a gay wedding"

But the owners of Memories Pizza, never said catering, because like you mentioned, they don't cater.

So there was no lie. If anyone 'lied', it would have to be the reporter who implied they cater weddings.

The word "cater" was mentioned on the kickstarter page:

When asked by local press the hypothetical question of whether or not they'd prefer to have their family owned business, Memories Pizza, cater a gay wedding, the owner said no citing their own religious beliefs as the reason. ​

If that is your case, the word "cater" was brought up by the reporter wrongly....when can we expect these good christians to give the money back since their position is being so badly mis-represented?



If you value your money and actually thought you worked hard for it, you wouldn't be contributing to a "charity" that has about a million free and clear to start with.

Really? Because I also donate to homeless shelters, and charities for young women from troubled
homes, and both get millions free and clear too.

Of course you do....

What did you do to earn your pay decrease?

I love the prejudice. You know absolutely nothing about me at all, and yet assume I caused it.

No big deal. FYI, I was let go when work dried up in 2010. Apparently that massive stimulus bill, stimulated my company into layoffs. Score another point for Obama.

So much for the opposition being the "party of personal responsibility" eh loser?

If that is your case, the word "cater" was brought up by the reporter wrongly....when can we expect these good christians to give the money back since their position is being so badly mis-represented?

First, you claimed that the business owners brought up the idea of catering, when they did not do that. Clearly your own quote, conclusively proves they did not.

Are you honest enough to admit this?
"When asked by local press the hypothetical question of whether or not they'd prefer to have their family owned business, Memories Pizza, cater a gay wedding"

So can you admit it was the reporters who brought up a hypothetical, and not the business owners?

Beyond that, why on Earth would they return the money, and why would we want it returned? If the reporter did mis-represent their position, that would be just an additional reason I would want them to have the money.

They were abused and harmed by the gaystapo already. Now you are suggesting they were harmed by the media. Why would being wronged by two groups instead of one, mean they should return the money? That's not logical.

Of course you do....

Yes.

So much for the opposition being the "party of personal responsibility" eh loser?



So in your world..... Stating what factually happened, has something to do with personal responsibility? I suppose if I had been in sales, and told the customers they were about as smart as some of the internet posters are about personal responsibility, then you'd have a point.

So let's explain how personal responsibility works, since clearly you don't know.

Personal responsibility is not turning yourself into the police because someone broke into your home and stole your TV.
"Why are you here?"
"Someone stole my TV"
"ok?"
"I'm turning myself in. I'm taking personal responsibility"

That kind of logic, only works for the mindless left.

Personal responsibility has less to do with what happens to you, but rather how you react to those circumstances.

So, for example, when I was laid off for lack of work, I have zero control over customers choosing to not purchase the product my company made, any more than I have control over someone breaking into my home and stealing my TV.

What I do have control over, is how I react to both. For the theft, I had insurance, and for the layoff, I simply got another job.

Now if I had sat around blaming Obama, or demanding unemployment comp, or welfare, and waited for the government to fix my life, that would be not taking responsibility.

Shortly after I lost that job, I got a job that paid far too little. At this point, I had to options on how to react. I could cry and whine about the minimum wage, complain about evil employers, start barking on an internet forum about the shrinking middle class, and demand government fix my life.

Or I can quit and get a higher paying job. You get one guess as to which one I did, and which one is taking personal responsibility.

I think you can figure this out. I believe in you.

 

[Geaux4it]

Hard earned dollars are usually the Last to be given to total strangers on the internet dumb dumb.

But hey....this does show the Obama economy is doing very well if you putzes can just hand over your cash.

Insults. Great. Good way to win people to your argument.

Ok, so I make about $23,000 a year. (according to my tax return). I work 10 hour shifts, 4 days a week. I personally donated to the fund myself.

So...let me ask you this question. What price-tag do you put on someone being driven into insolvency through their own actions? Had they said, "We don't cater, period" which is the truth by the way....none of this would have taken place. But they told the little white lie they did and bingo......payday.

As for your paycheck...ouch.

What makes the dollars that I gave, not the hard earned ones, and the others that I kept, the hard earned ones? I have no other source of income.

If you value your money and actually thought you worked hard for it, you wouldn't be contributing to a "charity" that has about a million free and clear to start with.

Actually, I was earning $30,000 under Bush. My income declined since Obama is in office.

What did you do to earn your pay decrease?

Well, already you don't seem to know the story. Had nothing to do with "catering". Here is the actual quote from the article that sparked the entire controversy.

“If a gay couple came in and wanted us to provide pizzas for their wedding, we would have to say no,” says Crystal O'Connor of Memories Pizza.​

RFRA Michiana business wouldn t cater a gay wedding - ABC57 News - See the Difference Michiana

Crystal, never mentioned the word "catering".

The title of the article, by the reporter said "Michiana business wouldn't cater a gay wedding"

But the owners of Memories Pizza, never said catering, because like you mentioned, they don't cater.

So there was no lie. If anyone 'lied', it would have to be the reporter who implied they cater weddings.

The word "cater" was mentioned on the kickstarter page:

When asked by local press the hypothetical question of whether or not they'd prefer to have their family owned business, Memories Pizza, cater a gay wedding, the owner said no citing their own religious beliefs as the reason. ​

If that is your case, the word "cater" was brought up by the reporter wrongly....when can we expect these good christians to give the money back since their position is being so badly mis-represented?



If you value your money and actually thought you worked hard for it, you wouldn't be contributing to a "charity" that has about a million free and clear to start with.

Really? Because I also donate to homeless shelters, and charities for young women from troubled
homes, and both get millions free and clear too.

Of course you do....

What did you do to earn your pay decrease?

I love the prejudice. You know absolutely nothing about me at all, and yet assume I caused it.

No big deal. FYI, I was let go when work dried up in 2010. Apparently that massive stimulus bill, stimulated my company into layoffs. Score another point for Obama.

So much for the opposition being the "party of personal responsibility" eh loser?

If that is your case, the word "cater" was brought up by the reporter wrongly....when can we expect these good christians to give the money back since their position is being so badly mis-represented?

First, you claimed that the business owners brought up the idea of catering, when they did not do that. Clearly your own quote, conclusively proves they did not.

Are you honest enough to admit this?
"When asked by local press the hypothetical question of whether or not they'd prefer to have their family owned business, Memories Pizza, cater a gay wedding"

So can you admit it was the reporters who brought up a hypothetical, and not the business owners?

Beyond that, why on Earth would they return the money, and why would we want it returned? If the reporter did mis-represent their position, that would be just an additional reason I would want them to have the money.

They were abused and harmed by the gaystapo already. Now you are suggesting they were harmed by the media. Why would being wronged by two groups instead of one, mean they should return the money? That's not logical.

Of course you do....

Yes.

So much for the opposition being the "party of personal responsibility" eh loser?



So in your world..... Stating what factually happened, has something to do with personal responsibility? I suppose if I had been in sales, and told the customers they were about as smart as some of the internet posters are about personal responsibility, then you'd have a point.

So let's explain how personal responsibility works, since clearly you don't know.

Personal responsibility is not turning yourself into the police because someone broke into your home and stole your TV.
"Why are you here?"
"Someone stole my TV"
"ok?"
"I'm turning myself in. I'm taking personal responsibility"

That kind of logic, only works for the mindless left.

Personal responsibility has less to do with what happens to you, but rather how you react to those circumstances.

So, for example, when I was laid off for lack of work, I have zero control over customers choosing to not purchase the product my company made, any more than I have control over someone breaking into my home and stealing my TV.

What I do have control over, is how I react to both. For the theft, I had insurance, and for the layoff, I simply got another job.

Now if I had sat around blaming Obama, or demanding unemployment comp, or welfare, and waited for the government to fix my life, that would be not taking responsibility.

Shortly after I lost that job, I got a job that paid far too little. At this point, I had to options on how to react. I could cry and whine about the minimum wage, complain about evil employers, start barking on an internet forum about the shrinking middle class, and demand government fix my life.

Or I can quit and get a higher paying job. You get one guess as to which one I did, and which one is taking personal responsibility.

I think you can figure this out. I believe in you.

Explaining personal responsibility to Candynutjob is futile.

Not in the left dictionary

-Geaux

 

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That's okay. We don't consider you people nor do we consider your opinions to be relevant

Kay thanks for quoting something you dont consider to make sure you mentioned you dont consider it.

Just in case.

I actually agree with her though. That's why I'm replying. It's to let everyone know what we think, not because we care what you think.

This is a difficult concept, but I believe in G-d. And he is who I am worried about pleasing. Not man. So when a man says he thinks I'm a bad person.... ok? So? Your opinion of me, isn't important. G-d's opinion is.

So you don't have empathy for me. And I should care why? G-d, does have empathy for me. That's what I care about.

So why am I here on this forum? Again... to let everyone know that Christians are still in America... we're not leaving... and we're not changing. So, best get used to it.

And no one's asking you or any other Christian to 'leave' America or 'change,' only understand and obey the law just like everyone else – understand that public accommodations laws in no way 'interfere' with 'religious liberty,' and that religious beliefs do not 'exempt' someone from obeying a just and proper laws, such as public accommodations laws.

Otherwise you're at liberty to believe in your 'god' and practice your religion as you see fit, no one is seeking to prevent you from doing so.

Well my religion says that I should not have anything to do with homosexual marriage. My business makes wedding cakes.

I have the right to practice my religion. I also have freedom of association.

I will follow your public accommodation laws, up to the point they violate my religious laws. G-d is greater than man, on the authority list.

Therefore... where a gay couple comes in and demands I make them a cake for their wedding... the answer is "no".

religious beliefs do not 'exempt' someone from obeying a just and proper laws, such as public accommodations laws

If that means that I can say "no" to the gay couple wanting a wedding cake from me, ok. We're in agreement, and everything is fine.

If you think I'm going to make a cake for a gay wedding because of accommodation laws.... sorry. That's not happening. I don't care if you think it exempts me from 'obeying proper laws' or not. We're not doing it.

Now what?

So if you were a Realtor and a gay couple came in looking for a house...God's law is that you let them go without shelter?

Some "god" you've got there.

G-d is not really concerned with what the pagans think.
Psalm 2:4
The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them.

One of my favorite verses.

Back to your red herring.

No, I would have no problem with selling a home to a gay couple. The problem is the sin, not the sinner.

Unless it is sinful to sell a home, then there is no problem.

The problem with providing a cake for a gay wedding, is the gay wedding itself, not the people involved.

If a gay couple walked into my pizza shop, I'd be more than happy to sell them all the pizza in the store. If they said they wanted pizza for their gay wedding, then I'd say no.