Independent voters surprise pollster with reactions to Trump's debate performance: 'Didn't expect it'

Revenue will come from tariffs and Musk is going to help streamline Americas federal government. The only untouchables would probably be the FBI, CIA, NSA and military.
1. Not untouchable, those agencies need the top several layers replaced with non-partisan people.

2. Over time Welfare ($1.3b), Medicaid ($400b) and Education ($500b) should be sent back to the states until the $35T Debt comes way down.
 
This is the benefit of the years of citizens not trusting media. I believe the bias from the moderators in their effort to help her, hurt her greatly, especially when she repeated long debunked claims.

She didn't provide any substance about economics and illegal immigration which is what she needed to do.

Interesting I suppose.


Dials monitoring the reaction of a Fox News focus group during Tuesday's presidential debate showed independent voters overlapping with Republicans in support of former President Trump's immigration policies.

Trump took aim at Vice President Kamala Harris during the ABC News Presidential Debate, blaming the Biden-Harris administration for "destroying the fabric of our country" with the influx of illegal immigration.

The former president blamed the administration for the rise in "migrant crime," a sentiment that seemingly resonated with not just Republicans, but a large number of independent respondents.

The focus group comprised seven Democrats, five independents and five Republicans, and was represented by blue, yellow and red lines, respectively. When Trump spoke of the rising crime at the hands of illegal immigrants, the yellow line monitoring the independent reaction rose drastically in Trump's favor, overlapping with the red Republican line.
There was no moderatr bias. Trump got stomped by a superior mind.

That's why you're using some crap from Fox News.
 
Revenue will come from tariffs and Musk is going to help streamline Americas federal government. The only untouchables would probably be the FBI, CIA, NSA and military.
Revenue from Tarriffs? Musk streamlining the government?

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This is the benefit of the years of citizens not trusting media. I believe the bias from the moderators in their effort to help her, hurt her greatly, especially when she repeated long debunked claims.

She didn't provide any substance about economics and illegal immigration which is what she needed to do.

Interesting I suppose.


Dials monitoring the reaction of a Fox News focus group during Tuesday's presidential debate showed independent voters overlapping with Republicans in support of former President Trump's immigration policies.

Trump took aim at Vice President Kamala Harris during the ABC News Presidential Debate, blaming the Biden-Harris administration for "destroying the fabric of our country" with the influx of illegal immigration.

The former president blamed the administration for the rise in "migrant crime," a sentiment that seemingly resonated with not just Republicans, but a large number of independent respondents.

The focus group comprised seven Democrats, five independents and five Republicans, and was represented by blue, yellow and red lines, respectively. When Trump spoke of the rising crime at the hands of illegal immigrants, the yellow line monitoring the independent reaction rose drastically in Trump's favor, overlapping with the red Republican line.
substance? trump lost it when he wastes our time on the" economy " to spout a national enquirer headline about haitians.

there are probably many reasons to take a hard line on immigration.

"thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."
 
Most independent voters are basically disinterested voters.
The ones that "lean" towards a particular party are considered more reliable votes for the party, as far as the data shows. How weird is that? :auiqs.jpg:
 
Most independent voters are basically disinterested voters.
Most independent voters are not interested in partisan politics and more interested in solutions instead of false rhetoric.
 
Most independent voters are not interested in partisan politics and more interested in solutions instead of false rhetoric.
This is true, and why the debate turned out so bad for harris
 
Two quickie polls

63% of registered voters who watched Tuesday's debate say Harris outperformed Trump

Prior to the debate, those voters were evenly split on who would do a better job.

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To put it kindly, Trump should have stayed home. I can't see how his performance would not be embarrassing for Trump supporters. He looked and sounded like he was at a rally and not a presidential debate. Obviously, there was no debate prep. Harris baited him half dozen times, and he took the bait every time. While Harris skirted around the questions about policy if elected, Trump didn't even bother to answer, simple claiming there would be no problem it I were president.

And no Biden won the 2020 election and illegal immigrants are not eating dogs and cats in Springfield.
 
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Revenue will come from tariffs and Musk is going to help streamline Americas federal government. The only untouchables would probably be the FBI, CIA, NSA and military.
High tariffs would be a disaster. If you move form the political to the economic arena, you'll find nearly ever economist of note believes his plan to put high tariffs on China would be a disaster. It would create shortages, drive prices up and send inflation up that the Fed has driven down from 9% in 2022 to 2.5% today.
 
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It's easy to claim to be Independent, sorta like that libertarian crap
 
There was no moderatr bias. Trump got stomped by a superior mind.

That's why you're using some crap from Fox News.
Trump knowing he was not going the win the debate he began preparing his supporters for the loss several weeks ago with comments about media bias and particularly, ABC. Trump had repeatedly sought to manage expectations about the debate. Just last week, he insisted at a Fox News town hall that Harris would receive questions in advance, though there was no evidence to back up his claim. The moderators squashed the speculation at the start of Tuesday’s debate by saying neither nominee had seen questions ahead of time.

Well now Republicans know Donald Trump didn’t win Tuesday’s debate and the media is filled with accusations from the Trump campaign and surrogates, as too the unfair, media bias at ABC.

Were the ABC moderates really biased?
Linsey Davis of ABC News piped up with just a few words after Trump went into one of his evidence-free rants about babies being executed.

“There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it’s born,” Davis said in an even tone. It didn’t take a lot of time, it did correct an oft-repeated lie and it did establish something important: the most egregious falsehoods might well be challenged by these moderators. The candidates were put on notice. Hopefully, this sets new ground rules in a debate; candidates will be called out for obvious lying but I doubt it will make Trump any more truthful.
 
High tariffs would be a disaster. If you move form the political to the economic arena, you'll find nearly ever economist of note believes his plan to put high tariffs on China would be a disaster. It would create shortages, drive prices up and send inflation up that the Fed has driven down from 9% in 2022 to 2.5% today.
You already have tariffs.kn China, all of Europe and Canada juet hit China with more tariffs. China has had tariffs on the U.S for.years. This is about shifting investment and manufacutring away from China because their government has the goal of sinking the U.S and replacing her and the West. It's that simple. Should the world have boycotted Germany in 1941 or increased investment?
 
Trump knowing he was not going the win the debate he began preparing his supporters for the loss several weeks ago with comments about media bias and particularly, ABC. Trump had repeatedly sought to manage expectations about the debate. Just last week, he insisted at a Fox News town hall that Harris would receive questions in advance, though there was no evidence to back up his claim. The moderators squashed the speculation at the start of Tuesday’s debate by saying neither nominee had seen questions ahead of time.

Well now Republicans know Donald Trump didn’t win Tuesday’s debate and the media is filled with accusations from the Trump campaign and surrogates, as too the unfair, media bias at ABC.

Were the ABC moderates really biased?
Linsey Davis of ABC News piped up with just a few words after Trump went into one of his evidence-free rants about babies being executed.

“There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it’s born,” Davis said in an even tone. It didn’t take a lot of time, it did correct an oft-repeated lie and it did establish something important: the most egregious falsehoods might well be challenged by these moderators. The candidates were put on notice. Hopefully, this sets new ground rules in a debate; candidates will be called out for obvious lying but I doubt it will make Trump any more truthful.
Yes and these guys complained about moderator bias even though Trump got to speak for more time than Harris.

 
You already have tariffs.kn China, all of Europe and Canada juet hit China with more tariffs. China has had tariffs on the U.S for.years. This is about shifting investment and manufacutring away from China because their government has the goal of sinking the U.S and replacing her and the West. It's that simple. Should the world have boycotted Germany in 1941 or increased investment?
Tell all that to Trudeau.
 
It all depends on the methodology. The above notes were more heavily leaning Democrat but it was the Independents who really liked Trumps approach.

The last 3.5 years have been devastating. The polls of Biden and Harris over a long duration confirm this.

As someone not a (D) or (R) I understand the issues of the last 3.5 were because of the actions over the last 30 years.

Biden and Trump both share blame there (Harris less so as simply a Senator but she did support many of the issues that have caused our problems)

Trump, Trump supporters, Socialism, and the Economy

Confirmed. Consumer and US businesses paying nearly all tariff costs.

Confirmed. Consumer and US businesses paying nearly all tariff costs.
 
You already have tariffs.kn China, all of Europe and Canada juet hit China with more tariffs. China has had tariffs on the U.S for.years. This is about shifting investment and manufacutring away from China because their government has the goal of sinking the U.S and replacing her and the West. It's that simple. Should the world have boycotted Germany in 1941 or increased investment?
Of course we have had tariffs on China but Trump is proposing major tariffs that will certainly hurt the US economy. The idea that these tariffs will bring back American manufacturing is a bit naïve. There are too many other low cost alternatives that produce goods nearly as cheap as China such as Taiwan, South Korea, Indonesia, and an the Philippines. These suppliers are generally a much cheaper alternatives than making major new investments in plants in the US.

Even if the decision is to built new plants, who's to say they will be built in the US when the countries I listed above have skilled work forces and lower labor rates than the US.

Also consider that tariffs are always subject change but once investments in plants and equipment are made, they can't be as easily changed as tariffs.
 
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Of course we have had tariffs on China but Trump is proposing major tariffs that will certainly hurt the US economy. The idea that these tariffs will bring back American manufacturing is a bit naïve. There are too many other low cost alternatives that produce goods nearly as cheap as China such as Taiwan, South Korea, Indonesia, and an the Philippines. These suppliers are generally a much cheaper alternatives than making major new investments in plants in the US.

Even if the decision is to built new plants, who's to say they will be built in the US when the countries I listed above have skilled work forces and lower labor rates than the US.

Also consider that tariffs are always subject change but once investments in plants and equipment are made, they can't be as easily changed as tariffs.
the trade war with china on trump's term cast the taxpayers billions of dollars in agricultural subsidies - probably as inflationary a policy as any.
 

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