Increasing US isolation

[Sherlock Holmes]

I spent some time catching up with the economist Jeffrey Sachs yesterday and I found it enlightening.

The upshot of my catch up is that US dominance is fading and Europe with it possibly, partly due to recent US actions, new alliances are forming between states that the US worked to keep opposed to each other, for example China is now starting to talk more to India and Japan, these are (he argues) very natural alliances and it is only because of US policy that they've been prevented from developing but that kind of US influence is now fading, the US is being seen as increasingly unimportant.

He talks about the anxiety here in the US, the tension here and how it is more or less just here, other nations more or less don't care and see the US has a declining empire far way and just a distraction now.

He points out that a country with 4% of the population has for far too long tried to run the world and that those days are over, not just because of Trump but certainly in ways that Trump is not equipped to do anything about.

Worth a listen whichever "side" you're on.

 

[Thinker101]

I spent some time catching up with the economist Jeffrey Sachs yesterday and I found it enlightening.

The upshot of my catch up is that US dominance is fading and Europe with it possibly, partly due to recent US actions, new alliances are forming between states that the US worked to keep opposed to each other, for example China is now starting to talk more to India and Japan, these are (he argues) very natural alliances and it is only because of US policy that they've been prevented from developing but that kind of US influence is now fading, the US is being seen as increasingly unimportant.

He talks about the anxiety here in the US, the tension here and how it is more or less just here, other nations more or less don't care and see the US has a declining empire far way and just a distraction now.

He points out that a country with 4% of the population has for far too long tried to run the world and that those days are over, not just because of Trump but certainly in ways that Trump is not equipped to do anything about.

Worth a listen whichever "side" you're on.

 

[Oddball]

Marginally informative insight, viz. what the WEF/UN/NATO globalist hacks who hate America are thinking.

 

[irosie91]

Marginally informative insight, viz. what the WEF/UN/NATO globalist hacks who hate America are thinking.

Sherlock----you spent time learning all about it-------you need a lot more time----
for the SHERLOCK OF THE DAY-----it claims that china and India are really good
friends is not for the evil divisive pllots of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA-----
one of your best, sherlock

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Sherlock----you spent time learning all about it-------you need a lot more time----
for the SHERLOCK OF THE DAY-----it claims that china and India are really good
friends is not for the evil divisive pllots of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA-----
one of your best, sherlock

1. You replied to Oddball yet addressed me.
2. The post is devoid of meaning, I cannot make head or tail of what you wrote, gibberish.

 

[irosie91]

1. You replied to Oddball yet addressed me.
2. The post is devoid of meaning, I cannot make head or tail of what you wrote, gibberish.

oh got the wrong islamo nazi ? I responded to a statement by one of you that
suggested that dispute between China and India is somehow INSTIGATED by the
USA government. which is, of course, NONSENSE and gibberish

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

oh got the wrong islamo nazi ? I responded to a statement by one of you that
suggested that dispute between China and India is somehow INSTIGATED by the
USA government. which is, of course, NONSENSE and gibberish

Yes I made a general claim that inhibiting alliances has been a goal of US policy since WW2. We have worked to prevent China and Japan and Korea cooperating, same with India and China and Africa, we've manipulated using economic pressure (as we are attempting now with sanctions) things so as to prevent economic blocs from forming that might undermine our dominance.

This isn't controversial, if it sounds radical or outlandish to you then that's not my concern.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I spent some time catching up with the economist Jeffrey Sachs yesterday and I found it enlightening.

The upshot of my catch up is that US dominance is fading and Europe with it possibly, partly due to recent US actions, new alliances are forming between states that the US worked to keep opposed to each other, for example China is now starting to talk more to India and Japan, these are (he argues) very natural alliances and it is only because of US policy that they've been prevented from developing but that kind of US influence is now fading, the US is being seen as increasingly unimportant.

He talks about the anxiety here in the US, the tension here and how it is more or less just here, other nations more or less don't care and see the US has a declining empire far way and just a distraction now.

He points out that a country with 4% of the population has for far too long tried to run the world and that those days are over, not just because of Trump but certainly in ways that Trump is not equipped to do anything about.

Worth a listen whichever "side" you're on.

Simply charging other nations a tariff, something these same nations have been doing to American companies for 80 years is NOT some form of isolationism. Nor standing up to centralized communist nations.

The assertion is absurd and pushed by people who want America to collapse. You have $37T in debt so pick your poison, massive tax increases, the loss of your social nets through deep cuts, and/or invading other nations for their resources. Of course there is the last option, hyper inflation to pay the debt and lose the U.S reserve currency status.

Of these three, I'd say informed Americans would be far more supportive of tariffs.

Ditto for support for Israel, which has been U.S policy for decades. America must call them out if they risk everyones reputation or violate the Geneva Convention but the general consensus is "Israel is a democracy with a stable government, Judeo-Christian (yes, Jesus was probably promoting 80% fidelity to the Torah) and elected governments. They are, for the most part (even as I hear so many former CIA and others call out Israel for abuses) a U.S ally." As with any nation (including Canada or the U.K), America has to hold them to account if they endanger American interests. None of this is new. The U.S has been backing Israel for many decades and they share intelligence.

America can and should rule the world as long as it is a benevolent global leader for peace, operating in a manner to ensure peace among nations and prevent bullying and/or WWIII from breaking out.

I want peace everywhere. I wish there wasn't any evil in the world. Peace through strength is a real concept as Reagan drove home. America doesn't need to get entangled in every war but it must remain the paramount nation to prevent it.

I'd also argue it should promote its Constitution and defend it domestically and around the world. If every other nation operated under a similar U.S Constitution, the U.S (and some other Western nations) would be 3x the economy it is today,

 

[candycorn]

I spent some time catching up with the economist Jeffrey Sachs yesterday and I found it enlightening.

The upshot of my catch up is that US dominance is fading and Europe with it possibly, partly due to recent US actions, new alliances are forming between states that the US worked to keep opposed to each other, for example China is now starting to talk more to India and Japan, these are (he argues) very natural alliances and it is only because of US policy that they've been prevented from developing but that kind of US influence is now fading, the US is being seen as increasingly unimportant.

He talks about the anxiety here in the US, the tension here and how it is more or less just here, other nations more or less don't care and see the US has a declining empire far way and just a distraction now.

He points out that a country with 4% of the population has for far too long tried to run the world and that those days are over, not just because of Trump but certainly in ways that Trump is not equipped to do anything about.

Worth a listen whichever "side" you're on.

Iran will hit back at some point. We likely don’t have the intel capabilities we once did to discover it thanks to Trump’s behavior.

 

[irosie91]

Yes I made a general claim that inhibiting alliances has been a goal of US policy since WW2. We have worked to prevent China and Japan and Korea cooperating, same with India and China and Africa, we've manipulated using economic pressure (as we are attempting now with sanctions) things so as to prevent economic blocs from forming that might undermine our dominance.

This isn't controversial, if it sounds radical or outlandish to you then that's not my concern.

there are a whole lot of new anti psychotic meds on the market----see a good
neurologist or psychiatrist. India and China do not need the USA to GET THEM TO
SKIRMISH with each other----they have territorial disputes. If you imagine that the
disputes that involve China and Korea and China and Japan are a consequence of
TRUMP----you were born yesterday-----they began before Trump was born

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Simply charging other nations a tariff, something these same nations have been doing to American companies for 80 years is NOT some form of isolation. The assertion is absurd and pushed by people who want America to collapse. You have $37T in debt so pick your poison, massive tax increases, the loss of your social nets through deep cuts, and/or invading other nations for their resources. Of course there is the last option, hyper inflation to pay the debt and lose the U.S reserve currency status.

As I've mentioned before (and as any open minded person can quickly confirm) the US spends more than it generates, we consume far more than we produce - how is that the fault of other nations?

The man teaches economics FYI.

Of these three, I'd say informed Americans would be far more supportive of tariffs.

Ditto for support for Israel, which has been U.S policy for decades. America must call them out if they risk everyones reputation or violate the Geneva Convention but the general consensus is "Israel is a democracy with a stable government, Judeo-Christian (yes, Jesus was probably promoting 80% fidelity to the Torah) and elected governments. They are, for the most part (even as I hear so many former CIA and others call out Israel for abuses) a U.S ally.

The US has no military treaty with Israel FYI. The democrats and republicans have more or less the same policy with Israel, our media largely ignores global criticism of Israel, it is right now huge, the vast majority of states have openly condemned the genocide.

Here, watching US "news" we do not see that mass disapproval, so your ignorance of it is simply proof that you use very narrow sources.

Like any nation (including Canada or the U.K), America has to hold them to account if they endanger American interests. None of this is new. The U.S has been backing Israel for many decades and have share intelligence.

There's nothing there worth responding to.

America can and should rule the world as long as it is a benevolent global leader for peace, operating in a manner to ensure peace among nations and prevent bullying and/or WWIII from breaking out.

It's influence is fading and Trump has massively accelerated that. Here's today news:

Putin, Modi and Erdoğan among leaders in China for talks with Xi

Chinese president holds bilateral meetings on sidelines of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit in Tianjin

www.theguardian.com

I want peace everywhere. I wish there wasn't any evil in the world. Peace through strength is a real concept as Reagan drove home. America doesn't need to get entangled in every war but it must remain the paramount nation to prevent it.

I'd also argue it should promote its Constitution and defend it domestically and around the world. If every other nation operated under a similar U.S Constitution, the U.S (and some other Western nations) would be 3x the economy it is today,

Trump is mainly a domestic worry for us living here, the rest of the world is already adjusting to a world no longer dominated by the US.

 

[Independent thinker]

Iran will hit back at some point. We likely don’t have the intel capabilities we once did to discover it thanks to Trump’s behavior.

Iran has always wanted to hit the US back. We are infidels.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

there are a whole lot of new anti psychotic meds on the market----see a good
neurologist or psychiatrist. India and China do not need the USA to GET THEM TO
SKIRMISH with each other----they have territorial disputes. If you imagine that the
disputes that involve China and Korea and China and Japan are a consequence of
TRUMP----you were born yesterday-----they began before Trump was born

The US is not at this meeting because of Trump, understand that.

From today's Guardian:

Putin, Modi and Erdoğan among leaders in China for talks with Xi

Chinese president holds bilateral meetings on sidelines of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit in Tianjin

www.theguardian.com

 

[Rawley]

I spent some time catching up with the economist Jeffrey Sachs yesterday and I found it enlightening.

The upshot of my catch up is that US dominance is fading and Europe with it possibly, partly due to recent US actions, new alliances are forming between states that the US worked to keep opposed to each other, for example China is now starting to talk more to India and Japan, these are (he argues) very natural alliances and it is only because of US policy that they've been prevented from developing but that kind of US influence is now fading, the US is being seen as increasingly unimportant.

He talks about the anxiety here in the US, the tension here and how it is more or less just here, other nations more or less don't care and see the US has a declining empire far way and just a distraction now.

He points out that a country with 4% of the population has for far too long tried to run the world and that those days are over, not just because of Trump but certainly in ways that Trump is not equipped to do anything about.

Worth a listen whichever "side" you're on.

That you feel isolated brings us joy

 

[irosie91]

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The US is not at this meeting because of Trump, understand that.

From today's Guardian:

Putin, Modi and Erdoğan among leaders in China for talks with Xi

Chinese president holds bilateral meetings on sidelines of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit in Tianjin

www.theguardian.com

not in any way impressed

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

not in any way impressed

You should be concerned about the status of the United States in world affairs, I don't see how being flippant is a sensible approach to what's going on.

The US government spends 2 trillion dollars a year more than we take in in revenues, does that fact matter to you as an American?



Tell me, would you be sympathetic to me if I spent more than I earned and then blame the stores who are selling me stuff?

 

[irosie91]

You should be concerned about the status of the United States win world affairs, I don't see how being flippant is a sensible approach to what's going on.

The US government spends 2 trillion dollars a year more than we take in in revenues, does that fact matter to you as an American?

you are a rabble rouser

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

you are a rabble rouser

Then feel free to report my posts, otherwise stay on topic, I am not the topic.

 

[sartre play]

What ever is going on, Don't like it. Not so much for my self,(have a 50% chance of being dead before we hit a bottom.
But the kids grandkids, and great grands worries me a lot. DO Blame All the self serving SOBS Not running Our COUNTRY
IN OUR BETTER INTEREST, JUST their OWN donners & their own BEST interests.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Sachs is right about a few things, despite the anti-Trump bias. The US has had a nasty foreign policy since Bretton Woods. Other countries are now much more sophisticated and prepared to challenge the world's superpower, especially the BRICs countries and their allies. America has to face the music that their ability to manipulate the entire world is waning and just not possible now. America should prepare for a time when it will have to compete better in the world and not rely on the US dollar and military to bridge the gap. It will have to prepare for a time when the rest of the world has a better market than the US market. In short, America is going to have to become more independent and self reliant. Both parties are going to have to work together for that if America is going to be relevant in 2050.