In this latest age of Science Denial is there a consensus on "Consensus in science?"

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Eh? Me?

No, meaning, you are here in time and space. WE are here.

 

[Churchill]

That's the hilarious part. That's exactly what I'm advocating. But (I think because I dared to badmouth socialism) you've decided I'm the enemy, and you're obligated to pretend I'm saying something else. Or maybe I used too many big words for you.

Anyway enjoy your moronic strawman. Anyone with basic reading comprehension can see how ignorant it is.

The thread isn't political, its philosophical, so try to stay on topic.

 

[dblack]

No, meaning, you are here in time and space. WE are here.

Ok, if you don't care to clarify your point, I'm good with that.

 

[dblack]

The thread isn't political, its philosophical, so try to stay on topic.

Yeah. Philosophy. Sure man.

Childish partisan pissing match. It's all you morons know.

 

[Churchill]

Yeah. Philosophy. Sure man.

Childish partisan pissing match. It's all you morons know.

It's true, its a philosophical question as to how we decide scientific truth, by consensus? to what degree? > 50% must be 100%? what about dissenters?

The question as to how we decide scientific truth is not a scientific question but a philosophical one.

You're welcome.

 

[dblack]

It's true, its a philosophical question as to how we decide scientific truth, by consensus? to what degree? > 50% must be 100%? what about dissenters?

The question as to how we decide scientific truth is not a scientific question but a philosophical one.

You're welcome.

Yes, and I made an observation about how the culture war obscures and pollutes the the scientific process, especially as it relates to politics. But my point was, apparently, too subtle. My apologies.

 

[Churchill]

Yes, and I made an observation about how the culture war obscures and pollutes the the scientific process, especially as it relates to politics. But my point was, apparently, too subtle. My apologies.

Well I don't accept your premise that this ethereal "culture war" plays a role in deciding scientific truth.

If I'm asked a scientific question about nature, does my answer depend on my political views?

No, the answer is based on sound reasoning, accurate data and trustworthy theories.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Ok, if you don't care to clarify your point, I'm good with that.

I did.

Ever look at a map in the mall?

"You are here"

That's all.

 

[dblack]

Well I don't accept your premise that this ethereal "culture war" plays a role in deciding scientific truth.

That's not my premise. That's what is stuck in your head. And it's tiresome trying to get you to see past your tribalism.

The "culture war" plays a role in how we interpret science with regard to politics and law. And it's a very dysfunctional role.

If I'm asked a scientific question about nature, does my answer depend on my political views?

Of course not.

How you decided that that was my position is beyond me. I still think it's because I mentioned socialism, and that a tribal trigger word. So you went into tribal culture warrior mode.

Probably should have come up with some euphemism.

No, the answer is based on sound reasoning, accurate data and trustworthy theories.

Yep. Never said anything contrary to that. Why did you assume I did???

 

[dblack]

I did.

Ever look at a map in the mall?

"You are here"

That's all.

OK. I thought you were trying to respond to my post with a cogent comment. My bad.

 

[Churchill]

That's not my premise. That's what is stuck in your head. And it's tiresome trying to get you to see past your tribalism.

You wrote: "I made an observation about how the culture war obscures and pollutes the the scientific process" that's an assertion.

The "culture war" plays a role in how we interpret science with regard to politics and law. And it's a very dysfunctional role.

No, that might be how you process scientific questions but not me.

Of course not.

How you decided that that was my position is beyond me. I still think it's because I mentioned socialism, and that a tribal trigger word. So you went into tribal culture warrior mode.

From the outset you've referred to "culture war" yet this thread is about how we use consensus to decide scientific truth.

Probably should have come up with some euphemism.

Yep. Never said anything contrary to that. Why did you assume I did???

This is from your first post:

"Like so many things in society, scientific inquiry has been polluted by the culture war. Most of the arguments we have around science aren't really about the science (as much as we might pretend), but around the proposed political solutions."

Is that or is that not, your position?

 

[dblack]

You wrote: "I made an observation about how the culture war obscures and pollutes the the scientific process" that's an assertion.

Ok. Nevermind. You win. I'm a MAGA-climate-denyinganti-science-culture-warrior-zealot!

No, that might be how you process scientific questions but not me.

Goddamn you're stupid. Is said the opposite. ******* moron.

I'll let you return to your tribal circle jerk now. Enjoy.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

OK. I thought you were trying to respond to my post with a cogent comment. My bad.

I did. You ignored it.

Try to keep it together, man.

But solutions to big problems often fall to government. Else the problems would not exist. The market would already have solved them. Or just say fk it, and ignore the problem

 

[Churchill]

Ok. Nevermind. You win. I'm a MAGA-climate-denyinganti-science-culture-warrior-zealot!

In which post did I state that?

Goddamn you're stupid. Is said the opposite. ******* moron.

You said precisely what I quoted, look here it is again, this is what YOU said:

I'll let you return to your tribal circle jerk now. Enjoy.

Again this is not the kind if language I expect to see in discussions about science.

 

[cnm]

Some theories are true.

But we don't know which ones as the explanations can change as evidence changes.

 

[dblack]

In which post did I state that?

You said precisely what I quoted, look here it is again, this is what YOU said:

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Yep. And you failed to comprehend it. I tried to clarify, but you're stuck on your initial misconception. Trying to correct you has become tedious. Seeyabye.

 

[Churchill]

Yep. And you failed to comprehend it. I tried to clarify, but you're stuck on your initial misconception. Trying to correct you has become tedious. Seeyabye.

Are you able to discuss science without dragging politics into it?

 

[cnm]

Goddamn you're stupid. Is said the opposite. ******* moron.

You said 'we'. 'We', by definition, includes 'me' in the sense of you yourself.

You imply how 'you' interpret science by your use of the pronoun 'we'.

The "culture war" plays a role in how we interpret science with regard to politics and law. And it's a very dysfunctional role.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But we don't know which ones as the explanations can change as evidence changes.

Yes we do, in many cases.

Evolution is a fact.

The fundamental Theory of Electromagnetism is a fact.

 

[cnm]

Evolution is a fact.

The explanation of it may change.