In Search of ideas for how to Illustrate, Observe, Share, Study, and Maybe Possibly Improve the Human Thought Process.

[Ringo]

 

[Ringo]

 

[talanum1]

Hi all, given the advancements and availability of AI technologies (Grok, Copilot, ChatGPT, etc.) I'm reminded of an idea I had a long time before AI was really being pushed as it is, everywhere today.

I've always been interested in mapping or illustrating my own "Thought Process" and then the processes of others. Basically, to see where the similarities and differences are. To compare, for example, the thought process on a specific issue between a Conservative and a Liberal.

The closest site that I have found, years ago, is DebateGraph "https://debategraph.org/Stream.aspx?nid=61932&vt=ngraph&dc=focus"

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It seemed promising and I tried getting started with it, but today, after looking at it so many years later, it's not as easy to follow and navigate as I would like to use.

It's very easy to imagine a "Blank page" as the starting point for any illustration of a thought process. If you second guess your thoughts as much as I do, it gets a whole lot more difficult to express my own thought process from there.

The brain is a fascinating thing.

Constructive suggestions appreciated.

Check out "Knowledge Organization" by Willem F. Esterhuyse at: academia.edu

 

[Foxfyre]

Hi all, given the advancements and availability of AI technologies (Grok, Copilot, ChatGPT, etc.) I'm reminded of an idea I had a long time before AI was really being pushed as it is, everywhere today.

I've always been interested in mapping or illustrating my own "Thought Process" and then the processes of others. Basically, to see where the similarities and differences are. To compare, for example, the thought process on a specific issue between a Conservative and a Liberal.

The closest site that I have found, years ago, is DebateGraph "https://debategraph.org/Stream.aspx?nid=61932&vt=ngraph&dc=focus"

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It seemed promising and I tried getting started with it, but today, after looking at it so many years later, it's not as easy to follow and navigate as I would like to use.

It's very easy to imagine a "Blank page" as the starting point for any illustration of a thought process. If you second guess your thoughts as much as I do, it gets a whole lot more difficult to express my own thought process from there.

The brain is a fascinating thing.

Constructive suggestions appreciated.

I don't pretend to understand exactly what you're saying here.

I do know that 'second guessing' can be critical to arrive at the best solution for complicated problems. Just as a surgeon must consider all the possible side effects/possible negative consequences of a surgical procedure in order to determine the best approach--okay I've been watching old "Good Doctor" seasons--the same approach is valuable in many other things.

It is also sometimes important to go with your first impulse when the crisis is immediate and the consequences of not addressing it will have serious consequences. That's when the value of experience and training can make a serious difference in outcome.

But what value in mapping thought processes? You could spend a lifetime doing that as every individual has different experience/history that will affect those thought processes and differences in natural intellect? There are eight billion people on the planet and I'm pretty sure eight billion thought processes in play.

My initial perceptions and impulses will likely be entirely different from yours because of the differences in our experience/history/innate mental gifts, etc. And yet despite different thought processes to get there, we might arrive at the same place in solving a problem

 

[Hafar1014]

Hi all, given the advancements and availability of AI technologies (Grok, Copilot, ChatGPT, etc.) I'm reminded of an idea I had a long time before AI was really being pushed as it is, everywhere today.

I've always been interested in mapping or illustrating my own "Thought Process" and then the processes of others. Basically, to see where the similarities and differences are. To compare, for example, the thought process on a specific issue between a Conservative and a Liberal.

The closest site that I have found, years ago, is DebateGraph "https://debategraph.org/Stream.aspx?nid=61932&vt=ngraph&dc=focus"

View attachment 1149954

It seemed promising and I tried getting started with it, but today, after looking at it so many years later, it's not as easy to follow and navigate as I would like to use.

It's very easy to imagine a "Blank page" as the starting point for any illustration of a thought process. If you second guess your thoughts as much as I do, it gets a whole lot more difficult to express my own thought process from there.

The brain is a fascinating thing.

Constructive suggestions appreciated.

Every normal brain works the same way. Emotions determine what you think you know. Every thought begins with an emotional message from the limbic system. Its not in words. It goes up to the prefrontal cortex that tries to understand it and then sets goals and actions. The LS cant express words the PFC works with words verbal input. This presents a problem. Often we get the message wrong and do stupid things or make poor choices. The degree of comprehension between these two systems is called coherence. Some have high others low. When its low we see people acting on emotion. When its high reason and rational thought occur. This is not intelligence. This is emotional stability and development, maturity, and wisdom.

 

[Hafar1014]

Our brain architecture is very revealing of our "thought process". What you see here is an fMRI image of the Default Mode Network. The red area in back is called the "posterior cingulate cortex".

How it works, is like this: all of our sense feed into the inferior temporal cortex, which recognizes, identifies, and names objects. Once an object has been identified, two additional calculations take place, "where" is it, and what "value" does it have. The value is context sensitive, the same object can have different values in different situations. Then these three elements get combined in the posterior cingulate cortex, where they get formatted into an "episodic memory".

The part that calculates value is the part in front in the image, it's the prefrontal cortex. "How" this information gets separated and then recombined is a fascinating story. Basically though, the value determining part of the circuitry runs the show. Humans use "strategies" for thought processes, and which strategy is in use is determined by what value it has. When a strategy being used has no further value, it's discarded in favor of another.

The map of strategies is a "graph neural network", if you've studied computer science you know a lot about graphs. There are algorithms for finding paths through graphs (basically like navigating a maze), algorithms for calculating the optimal path based on cost or expected reward or situational constraints, algorithms for partitioning graphs (like graph coloring problems and max-cut), and so on. A GNN can do all this and more, it becomes aware of the topology of graphs as it learns, so for instance if you have symmetries in your strategies the GNN will find them and make them available to you.

Let me put it in a clear easy to understand context
Every normal brain works the same way. Emotions determine what you think you know. Every thought begins with an emotional message from the limbic system. Its not in words. It goes up to the prefrontal cortex that tries to understand it and then sets goals and actions. The LS cant express words the PFC works with words verbal input. This presents a problem. Often we get the message wrong and do stupid things or make poor choices. The degree of comprehension between these two systems is called coherence. Some have high others low. When its low we see people acting on emotion. When its high reason and rational thought occur. This is not intelligence. This is emotional stability and development, maturity, and wisdom.

 

[Hafar1014]

I don't pretend to understand exactly what you're saying here.

I do know that 'second guessing' can be critical to arrive at the best solution for complicated problems. Just as a surgeon must consider all the possible side effects/possible negative consequences of a surgical procedure in order to determine the best approach--okay I've been watching old "Good Doctor" seasons--the same approach is valuable in many other things.

It is also sometimes important to go with your first impulse when the crisis is immediate and the consequences of not addressing it will have serious consequences. That's when the value of experience and training can make a serious difference in outcome.

But what value in mapping thought processes? You could spend a lifetime doing that as every individual has different experience/history that will affect those thought processes and differences in natural intellect? There are eight billion people on the planet and I'm pretty sure eight billion thought processes in play.

My initial perceptions and impulses will likely be entirely different from yours because of the differences in our experience/history/innate mental gifts, etc. And yet despite different thought processes to get there, we might arrive at the same place in solving a problem

Every normal brain works the same way. Emotions determine what you think you know. Every thought begins with an emotional message from the limbic system. Its not in words. It goes up to the prefrontal cortex that tries to understand it and then sets goals and actions. The LS cant express words the PFC works with words verbal input. This presents a problem. Often we get the message wrong and do stupid things or make poor choices. The degree of comprehension between these two systems is called coherence. Some have high others low. When its low we see people acting on emotion. When its high reason and rational thought occur. This is not intelligence. This is emotional stability and development, maturity, and wisdom.

 

[Foxfyre]

Every normal brain works the same way. Emotions determine what you think you know. Every thought begins with an emotional message from the limbic system. Its not in words. It goes up to the prefrontal cortex that tries to understand it and then sets goals and actions. The LS cant express words the PFC works with words verbal input. This presents a problem. Often we get the message wrong and do stupid things or make poor choices. The degree of comprehension between these two systems is called coherence. Some have high others low. When its low we see people acting on emotion. When its high reason and rational thought occur. This is not intelligence. This is emotional stability and development, maturity, and wisdom.

Thank you for the fine forensic explanation. What it leaves out of the equation, however, is the influence of the supernatural which I personally believe is a factor.

 

[Hafar1014]

Thank you for the fine forensic explanation. What it leaves out of the equation, however, is the influence of the supernatural which I personally believe is a factor.

I can also talk about that from my own experience. This is different topic. I assume you mean the after life. In my experience we dont end when the body dies. Memories and emotions continue to the next level of existence. They can see us but we cant see them except in rare occurrences. They can influence our decisions and actions. I have very old close friend who says we have spirit guides who watch over us.

I was at red light no visibility on my left. 100% blocked. The light turned green. A thought or voice appeared in my head and said DONT GO! again DONT GO! I always go but this time I waited. A large dump truck ran the red light and would have killed me if I went forward.

I am adopted and at 52 I decided to find my family. I had no information and all records were sealed. I found my birth mother in 8 months. How I went to medium named carol London. She gave me specific information that lead me to my mother and family. My other had died 20 years earlier. Did she lead me to her grave and my brothers? Some spirit gave Ms London detailed information. I documented the experience in my book Not Remembered Never Forgotten.

I had more experiences and once become sensitive to them you begin to notice we are not alone in our lives.
They can also come to you in what appear to be dreams. But you will feel they are very different and remember them in every detail. They feel different from a dream. They feel real. I have had more and they are not coincidences.

 

[Foxfyre]

I can also talk about that from my own experience. This is different topic. I assume you mean the after life. In my experience we dont end when the body dies. Memories and emotions continue to the next level of existence. They can see us but we cant see them except in rare occurrences. They can influence our decisions and actions. I have very old close friend who says we have spirit guides who watch over us.

I was at red light no visibility on my left. 100% blocked. The light turned green. A thought or voice appeared in my head and said DONT GO! again DONT GO! I always go but this time I waited. A large dump truck ran the red light and would have killed me if I went forward.

I am adopted and at 52 I decided to find my family. I had no information and all records were sealed. I found my birth mother in 8 months. How I went to medium named carol London. She gave me specific information that lead me to my mother and family. My other had died 20 years earlier. Did she lead me to her grave and my brothers? Some spirit gave Ms London detailed information. I documented the experience in my book Not Remembered Never Forgotten.

I had more experiences and once become sensitive to them you begin to notice we are not alone in our lives.
They can also come to you in what appear to be dreams. But you will feel they are very different and remember them in every detail. They feel different from a dream. They feel real. I have had more and they are not coincidences.

No. I am not talking about the afterlife though I believe in that. I have never consulted a medium or gotten into any of that, but whatever works. But I do believe there is an intelligence that can and does guide us at times, most especially when we really need it. I just think what we don't know is a whole WHOLE lot more than what we do know.

 

[Hafar1014]

No. I am not talking about the afterlife though I believe in that. I have never consulted a medium or gotten into any of that, but whatever works. But I do believe there is an intelligence that can and does guide us at times, most especially when we really need it. I just think what we don't know is a whole WHOLE lot more than what we do know.

In the end your choices are what matters make good ones learn form the bad ones and dont repeat them.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Hafar1014]

Its fake AI