In praise of Kirk, kinda.

[he just circle K]

You don't get out much do you?

apparently more than you

 

[berg80]

apparently more than you

HOMOPHOBE. : a person who hates or is afraid of homosexuals or treats them badly.

Is it really your position that no such people exist?

AI Overview

Psychological studies of homophobia explore its roots, manifestations, and consequences, finding links between homophobic attitudes and underlying psychological factors like repressed homosexual desires and personality traits such as fearful attachment and hostility. Homophobia is a multifaceted phenomenon that can be internalized, socially influenced, and associated with the threat individuals perceive from their own suppressed feelings or societal condemnation of same-sex attraction. These studies also highlight the negative health impacts of homophobic attitudes on the LGBTQ+ community.

Psychological Explanations for Homophobia

• Repressed Desires:
  Some research suggests that homophobia may stem from an individual's own unrecognized or repressed same-sex desires. People who identify as heterosexual but experience an underlying attraction to the same sex might lash out against gay individuals due to internal conflict or fear.
  
  
• Psychodynamic Theories:
  Psychoanalytic theories propose that homophobia is a defense mechanism used by individuals with latent homosexual impulses to repress and deny their own same-sex desires.
  
  
• Personality Traits:
  Studies have linked higher levels of homophobia to certain personality traits, including fearful-avoidant attachment styles and immature defense mechanisms. In contrast, depression and neuroticism have been linked to lower levels of homophobia.
  
  
• External Influences:
  Homophobia is not solely an individual issue; it is also influenced by cultural, religious, and political values. Parenting styles, particularly authoritarian ones, can also play a role in the development of homophobic attitudes.
  

https://www.google.com/search?cs=1&...AilzPO0N-F25UrCViBED1QlBJwDqMAtdx_nx38&csui=3

 

[he just circle K]

HOMOPHOBE. : a person who hates or is afraid of homosexuals or treats them badly.

Is it really your position that no such people exist?

"Phobe" means fear. Where do you get the other stuff?

 

[he just circle K]

Is it really your position that no such people exist?

People are afraid of homos?! Yer funny.

 

[berg80]

People are afraid of homos?! Yer funny.

It's a well studied psychological condition.

 

[80zephyr]

It's probably one of the most disingenuous, illogical, inapplicable arguments I've ever heard in defense of the grotesquely distorted right of an organized militia to possess muskets 250 years ago.

We disagree,

 

[Frankeneinstein]

When your reply is reduced to thinking you know what point I was making better than me it's a sure sign of the weakness of your argument.

when my proof is your argument, you have no argument...I invite anyone to go back and look

 

[berg80]

We disagree,

Put his comment in context for me.

 

[berg80]

when my proof is your argument, you have no argument

You're projecting.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

You're projecting.

your desperation is showing.

 

[berg80]

your desperation is showing.

See post #129.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

You're projecting.

Further proof you have no argument.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

See post #129.

which is what someone with no argument would have to say.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Psychological studies of homophobia explore its roots, manifestations, and consequences, finding links between homophobic attitudes and underlying psychological factors like repressed homosexual desires and personality traits such as fearful attachment and hostility. Homophobia is a multifaceted phenomenon that can be internalized, socially influenced, and associated with the threat individuals perceive from their own suppressed feelings or societal condemnation of same-sex attraction. These studies also highlight the negative health impacts of homophobic attitudes on the LGBTQ+ community.

TRANSLATION: "studies have shown links that homophobia comes from the gay community and/but not the heterosexual community"

 

[berg80]

TRANSLATION: "studies have shown links that homophobia comes from the gay community and/but not the heterosexual community"

Homophobia is a multifaceted phenomenon that can be internalized, socially influenced, and associated with the threat individuals perceive from their own suppressed feelings or societal condemnation of same-sex attraction.

You think gay people are against gay people?

Next you'll be saying sexual attraction to same sex people can be cured.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Homophobia is a multifaceted phenomenon that can be internalized, socially influenced, and associated with the threat individuals perceive from their own suppressed feelings or societal condemnation of same-sex attraction.

I see you were able to identify where the translation is/was confirmed

You think gay people are against gay people?

I would have to believe what you posted for that to be true.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Next you'll be saying sexual attraction to same sex people can be cured.

I'll wait for you to unwittingly post it and then blow it up on ya, or as it is referred to here, the "per usual"

 

[berg80]

I would have to believe what you posted for that to be true.

Imagine my surprise you've had to resort to refusing to accept the results of studies because they clash with your bigoted beliefs.

 

[struth]

To be clear, he held some really awful views and said some disturbingly provocative things. Despite this he was praised in the NYT by Ezra Klein who said.........

Charlie Kirk Was Practicing Politics the Right Way​

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination-fear-politics.html

You can dislike much of what Kirk believed and the following statement is still true: Kirk was practicing politics in exactly the right way. He was showing up to campuses and talking with anyone who would talk to him. He was one of the era’s most effective practitioners of persuasion.
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By all means he gets points for his focus on a willingness to debate people from the other side and for the denouncement of violence. But based on things he said the flip side is he could reasonably be accused of being, or at least sounding like, a racist, a bigot, and a homophobe. And then there's his shameless promotion of the Big Lie.

Meaning his legacy is complicated.

My question being, does his advocacy of debate excuse his sometimes hateful rhetoric? Shouldn't we expect more of people in the public square? Or has it really come to this?

Having an opinion that is different then your, not hateful. That's sort of the problem with your cult, you tend to hate everyone with a different opinion and when you do that, get violent with them.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Imagine my surprise you've had to resort to refusing to accept the results of studies

I merely posted a translation of the results that pointed as to what in effect they meant, you are the one denying it.

because they clash with your bigoted beliefs.

TRANSLATION: "I'm tired of being taken down like this"