In Britain, man executed, with gun in front of mums with children...

[fncceo]

I absolutely do not believe at all that you have lived in other countries.

You don't have to, I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

In fact, I want you to hate guns and I want you to hate the fact that Americans can own them. I want that fact to fester in your brain and slowly drive you insane as you fail to comprehend that not everyone wants to be as 'awesome' as Spain.

P.S. Is Franco still dead?

 

[2aguy]

Guns actually make living in America MORE dangerous.

They haven't made my life any more dangerous.

They make everyone's life more dangerous. Gun death in the US is about the highest in the world because there are 100 guns in the US per 100 people. Per capita. Too many guns and very high gun death. In Spain, there are 10 guns per 100 people and an extremely low gun death rate. Figure it out. It's in black and white. Use logic instead of fear and emotion.

No, actually, they don't. Gun crime in this country is confined to tiny areas in democrat controlled cities.......as well, according to the Centers For Disease Control, Americans use their legal guns 1,100,000 times a year to save lives and stop violent criminal attack...far more lives saved and kept from destruction than are taken when democrats allow violent gun criminals out of jail, over and over again.

Europe reserves most of it's murder for their governments. The governments of Europe allowed 12 million innocent men, women and children to be murdered by the German socialists...handing these unarmed people over to be sent to death camps. If you average that 12 million number over the same time period, their murder rate is higher than our criminal murder rate.

As well...how do you explain the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%? How do you explain that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rate went down 75%? How do you explain that as more Americans own and carry guns our violent crime rate went down 72%?

With your above post, please go on to explain how that happened it guns make us less safe?

 

[2aguy]

In Spain, there are 10 guns per 100 people and an extremely low gun death rate. Figure it out. It's in black and white

You're right ... because guns are the only way anyone could ever get hurt. They didn't even have band aids and Neosporin before guns came around.

You are using a false analogy. Chain saws have a purpose, a useful everyday purpose. Guns only have one purpose: to kill. Totally different thing. Learn how to think logically.

Do you really feel that guns serve only one purpose? To kill? How is it then that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun murder rate went down 49%....we are not talking a small increase in ownership or carrying either, from 200 million guns in private hands to close to 600 million, and from 4.7 million people carrying guns to over 17.25 million today....and our gun murder rate went down 49%.

As an anti gunner, please answer this question. For you, is it better that a woman is raped and murdered, or that she be able to use a gun to stop the rape and stay alive?

Do you have the courage to answer that question?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Guns actually make living in America MORE dangerous.

They haven't made my life any more dangerous.

They make everyone's life more dangerous. Gun death in the US is about the highest in the world because there are 100 guns in the US per 100 people. Per capita. Too many guns and very high gun death. In Spain, there are 10 guns per 100 people and an extremely low gun death rate. Figure it out. It's in black and white. Use logic instead of fear and emotion.

Funny how I've been around guns all my life just like many millions of other people and have never once been less safe because of it

 

[Skull Pilot]

Then why do you all need guns to protect yourselves? Why are you so full of fear?

Do you live in fear of an auto accident? Or do you just wear seatbelts as a fashion statement?

In Spain, only 10% of the people own guns. It has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. Comparing an auto accident to a gun death is a false analogy, BTW. Learn how to use logic.

Spanish criminals don't commit murder as much........goody for you.... most of the United States is the same way. Our crime is isolated to very tiny areas of democrat party controlled cities....other than that there is very little crime...but crime still happens.... and you don't know where or when it is going to happen..

Would you prefer that a woman is raped or that she use a gun to stop it? Please, answer that question.

Your posts indicate you have absolutely no broad world view, no common sense and no wisdom.

And yours indicate you like to be a follower and have people tell you how to live

 

[Esmeralda]

I absolutely do not believe at all that you have lived in other countries.

You don't have to, I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

In fact, I want you to hate guns and I want you to hate the fact that Americans can own them. I want that fact to fester in your brain and slowly drive you insane as you fail to comprehend that not everyone wants to be as 'awesome' as Spain.

P.S. Is Franco still dead?

Typical pro-gun person--full of hate and venom. Poor little person.

 

[fncceo]

I absolutely do not believe at all that you have lived in other countries.

You don't have to, I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

In fact, I want you to hate guns and I want you to hate the fact that Americans can own them. I want that fact to fester in your brain and slowly drive you insane as you fail to comprehend that not everyone wants to be as 'awesome' as Spain.

P.S. Is Franco still dead?

Typical pro-gun person--full of hate and venom. Poor little person.

You're confusing hate with amusement.

 

[Vagabond63]

Nope. Self defence was no longer a reason to obtain a firearms certificate. Handuns used for this purpose could be handed in for compensation or sold to dealers before the deadline. 165,353 handguns were collected. That's 2.8% of the then population of 58.17 million. We were never awash with guns like America. Ironically there are 535,000 non shotgun licensed firearms in this country now along with around 1.3 million shotguns, so the idea of "no-guns = increase in violent crime" is, as we say over here, "bollocks".

It is sad that the subjects of Great Britain have acquiesced to being a VICTIM of violence, and being OK with it.

Who says we've acquiesced? We just don't reach for a weapon, when someone looks at us funny in the pub.

 

[Vagabond63]

its funny but the 'brits' always bragged that their 'plod' , Bobbies or Coppers were not armed with guns . Course that is changing from what i hear eh Vaga ??

Is it? We've always armed our police when the circumstances called for it, but I've not heard anything at all about arming out police on a regular basis.

 

[gipper]

Good thing they banned and confiscated guns....you wouldn't have people executed with guns because criminals wouldn't have guns....but...then.....how did this guy get his gun that he used to execute this guy?

46 Gun murders in the UK a year vs. 11,000 in the US.

They are getting it right.. us, not so much.

The reason why you find one of these stories a month is because they are so unusual in the UK.

Why would you gladly give up your right to self defense? Are you stupid?

 

[Vagabond63]

Then why do you all need guns to protect yourselves? Why are you so full of fear?

Do you live in fear of an auto accident? Or do you just wear seatbelts as a fashion statement?

In Spain, only 10% of the people own guns. It has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. Comparing an auto accident to a gun death is a false analogy, BTW. Learn how to use logic.

I've lived most of my adult live in other countries and I've visited Spain in a professional capacity.

I don't want to live in Spain. I don't want to live in the UK, and I don't want to live in Australia.

I also don't want my country to emulate them. If I did, I'd just save the time and move there, learn to speak Arabic, so I can assimilate to the culture, and start getting benefits.

I'm sure, to you, Spain is heaven on Earth, but I have no compulsion to live there.

I suspect that if you did, we'd probably thow you out or lock you up; generally not fond of psychopaths over here.

 

[Vagabond63]

Then why is it so wrong for non-criminals to have firearms with which to defend themselves?

Because a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy.

So it makes about as much since as owning your own rabid pit bull because your neighbor has a rabid pit bull guarding his crack house.

the likelihood of my guns killing anyone in my family is ZERO tell me what 43 times ZERO is.

I bet Amy Pittman thought exactly like you once upon a time. Added agony: Justice is haphazard after kids’ gun deaths

"Children under age 12 die from gun accidents in the United States about once a week, on average. Almost every death begins with the same basic circumstances: an unsecured and loaded gun, a guardian’s lapse in attention."

 

[Vagabond63]

*sigh* Here we go again, pity 2aguy didn't know this was a gangland hit, the "victim" had been shot in 2010 and later arrested himself for possessing a firearm.

So, your point is, even in a country where private firearms are banned, we shouldn't be surprised if criminals have free access to them?

Private firearms are not banned over here, do keep up. Criminals have always had access to firearms, which they use mainly to protect themselves from other criminals with guns; it's something they picked up from America. The rest of us don't care that much if criminals shoot each other.

And that is the same thing that happens in the United States....70-80% of gun murder victims in the U.S. are criminals....and the shootings are confined to tiny areas of democrat party controlled cities.....meanwhile, good, normal Americans use their legal guns in the U.S. 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminal attack, which has led to a 49% decrease in gun murder, a 75% decrease in gun crime and a 72% decrease in violent crime...

Meanwhile, in Britain, violent crime against normal people is going through the roof...

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

Blah, blah... From your own source, "A Home Office spokesman said the statistics contained in the Crime Survey of England and Wales - which asks people about their personal experiences, even if they have not reported offences to the police - provided a more accuerate picture and suggested that violent crime was actually at a record low.

The spokesman said: "Police reform is working with the latest ONS figures showing crimes traditionally measured by the (British Crime) Survey have fallen by a third since 2010 to a record low, with over 370,000 fewer violent crimes a year.""

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

Percentage figures are by and large, meaningless; i.e. a jump from 1 to 2 is a 100% increase.

Actual police numbers say different.....that is what those numbers show, asking people in low crime areas what their crime experience is tells you nothing about the real problem......you don't know what you are talking about....add to that the police under reporting crime and mislabeling crime so they can keep the real numbers lower and you have a real problem you obviously want to ignore.

Wow, that's a leap; suggesting statistics are deliberately compiled from "low crime areas", because the facts don't agree with your agenda driven propaganda. Talk about paranoid conspiracy theorist.

 

[Vagabond63]

Criminals have always had access to firearms

Then why is it so wrong for non-criminals to have firearms with which to defend themselves?

I never said it was wrong as such, just that most people here in the UK aren't victims of "gun crime", we're generally not inclined to reach for a gun to resolve our differences, it's a sign of civilisation, you know.

I had heard somewhere that the darkies are killing with machetes at an alarming rate.

Have a handle on that whole situation?

There's been a "scare story" in the Telegraph recently about the use of machettes by certain criminal elements, but hardly at an "alarming rate". Oh, the Telegraph has been cited as the second most unreliable news scource in the UK, just an FYI

 

[Vagabond63]

people have guns in the home so as to be PREPARED same as having a fire extinguisher in the kitchen , a spare tire in the car , smoke and fire detectors in the house JoeB .

Prepared for an armed burglar? How many burglars carry guns in the US?

 

[Vagabond63]

Moron...it is the CDC research..... and counting dead thugs doesn't collect all the data...are you this stupid, or just pretending to be this stupid......most criminals, as you have been told over and over again, run away instead of getting shot......or they surrender, rather than being shot, or when shot, don't die....but still get arrested.....

Again, given that we have 2 million people in prison, you'd have us believe that we have 1.1 million being scared off with a gun and being arrested? Really?

Come on, it doesn't pass the laugh test.

There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world.

Let's look at that from GunPolicy.org

The UK- 106 gun suicides out of 4800 total suicides. (7.60/100K)

The US - 22,938 gun suicides out of 44876 suicides (13.9/100K)

Yes, having guns makes suicides worse.

But let's look at other peer countries.

Canada - 544 Gun suicides out of 3924 suicies (11.44/100K). Canada has looser gun rules than the UK, but tighter than the US>

Germany - Has probably the loosest gun laws in the G7 other than the US.

but their suicide rate is still lower than ours (12.60) with 719 gun suicides out of 10,000.

The country that throws everything off, of course, is Japan. But Japan is a country where suicide is not only culturally acceptable but even a long part of their traditions. (It is better to die than bring shame upon your family.)

Again, 23,000 gun suicides a year, too high a price to pay for your fetish.

And of those 2.2 million in prison, the democrats keep letting out the most violent offenders over and over again.....

Are you seriously saying Democrats deliberately change the law to allow murderers/violent offenders to go free? How do they do that?

 

[Vagabond63]

And of those 2.2 million in prison, the democrats keep letting out the most violent offenders over and over again.....

Meh, if prisons got us to lower crime, we'd have the lowest crime rates, not the highest.

We lock up more people than any country in the world, but you are still out there clinging to your guns living in mortal fear some darkie might show up at your door.

we lock up the wrong people, Idiot

A fine comment on the sad state of Republican America today.

 

[Vagabond63]

makes me wonder , where did Vagabond go ?? [chuckle]

Sorry, I have a life outside of the internet, unlike you it seems.

 

[Vagabond63]

And you have solutions?

Oh yeah your default position is to blame everyone else for your failings

Not really... I just recognize that Capitalism is a shit sandwich for most people... even if they think they are doing well.

But to the point, yes, there are solutions.. invest in education, create job programs and opportunties in poor areas, and the big one.

Get rid of the fucking guns...

Britain did that, and their gun crime and violent crime against British citizens is going through the roof...meanwhile, in the U.S......as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down...49%. Our gun crime rate...went down 75%.....our violent crime, unlike Britain, went down 72%....as more Americans own and carry guns. Funny how crime goes down when the victims can fight back effectively.

Unfortunately out right wing government decided to drastically cut Police numbers and resources, nothing at all to do with not having guns (which we still do as it happens, see my previous post). Violent crime trends have gone down since 1996.

 

[Vagabond63]

*sigh* Here we go again, pity 2aguy didn't know this was a gangland hit, the "victim" had been shot in 2010 and later arrested himself for possessing a firearm.

So, your point is, even in a country where private firearms are banned, we shouldn't be surprised if criminals have free access to them?

Private firearms are not banned over here, do keep up. Criminals have always had access to firearms, which they use mainly to protect themselves from other criminals with guns; it's something they picked up from America. The rest of us don't care that much if criminals shoot each other.

Private firearms are not banned in England? Then why is it illegal to defend yourself with a gun in England? or a knife? or a cane? defending yourself there has almost become an act of aggression it self In the eyes of the law.
Yet, you say you dont care if Criminals shoot each other???? But heaven forbid a citizen shoot a Criminal in self defence.... then you care. You dont see the irony here?

It's not "illegal" to defend yourself over here, where did that drivel come from?