In a battle between Eurofighter and F-35, both pilots claim defeat

[Bleipriester]

German pilot 1st Lt. Alexander Grant and American pilot Capt. Patrick Pearce delivered a dogfight in German skies. They didn´t know their opponents, just were given coordinates.

Both pilots claim defeat. The German pilot says the F-35 would have killed him out of sight due to its stealth capabilities and the American pilot claims the Eurofighter would have outmaneuvered him and shot him from behind due its better thrust and maneuverability. Both aircraft were unarmed.

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It should be noted that such a dofight lacks realism. The Eurofighter is a bad design with a faulty fuselage. Due to that the Eurofighter may not fire its guns and may fall apart in the sky. It also may not travel further than 20 minutes far from its host. If you don´t believe me, check how many Eurofighters were used in actual euro missions, for example in Libya or Syria: Zero.

 

[Captain Caveman]

German pilot 1st Lt. Alexander Grant and American pilot Capt. Patrick Pearce delivered a dogfight in German skies. They didn´t know their opponents, just were given coordinates.

Both pilots claim defeat. The German pilot says the F-35 would have killed him out of sight due to its stealth capabilities and the American pilot claims the Eurofighter would have outmaneuvered him and shot him from behind due its better thrust and maneuverability. Both aircraft were unarmed.

MSN

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It should be noted that such a dofight lacks realism. The Eurofighter is a bad design with a faulty fuselage. Due to that the Eurofighter may not fire its guns and may fall apart in the sky. It also may not travel further than 20 minutes far from its host. If you don´t believe me, check how many Eurofighters were used in actual euro missions, for example in Libya or Syria: Zero.

I think the Euro fighter has something like 21 computers onboard to keep it in the air, otherwise it's impossible to fly. As for "may fall apart", not sure where you got that notion/info from.

 

[Bleipriester]

I think the Euro fighter has something like 21 computers onboard to keep it in the air, otherwise it's impossible to fly. As for "may fall apart", not sure where you got that notion/info from.

I don´t know the numbers of computers that are built in the Eurofighters but they are required to keep the aircraft in the air, indeed. You won´t find a modern jet fighter that doesn´t need such computers, though. That applies to them all. As for the flaws of the Eurofighter, they are severe and it is actually not operational.

"The "Eurofighter" is increasingly becoming a problem jet for the German army. According to a media report, the German Air Force has been unable to use numerous fighter jets at all - and has been for years. The cause is believed to be technical problems.

It could once again be uncomfortable for Defense Minister Thomas de Maizière. The German army will apparently have to do without numerous Eurofighter fighter planes. The machines are often unusable for several years because they need to be upgraded or repaired, reports "Der Spiegel" citing internal reports from the responsible military technical department. The main reasons for the failures are technical errors, problems with quality assurance at the manufacturer EADS, a lack of spare parts and a lack of testing specialists."

https://focus-magazin.com/politik/deutschland/probleme-fuer-die-bundeswehr-eurofighter-kampfjets-bleiben-oft-am-boden_id_3333809.html

It was designed to be a cheap plane, not es effective as the F-16 but with half of its cost. Now, it is a billion dollar grave. One of the problems might be bad communication between the European manufacturers. It let to problems with other aircraft too, such as the Transall A400M or the Airbus A380.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I don´t know the numbers of computers that are built in the Eurofighters but they are required to keep the aircraft in the air, indeed. You won´t find a modern jet fighter that doesn´t need such computers, though. That applies to them all. As for the flaws of the Eurofighter, they are severe and it is actually not operational.

"The "Eurofighter" is increasingly becoming a problem jet for the German army. According to a media report, the German Air Force has been unable to use numerous fighter jets at all - and has been for years. The cause is believed to be technical problems.

It could once again be uncomfortable for Defense Minister Thomas de Maizière. The German army will apparently have to do without numerous Eurofighter fighter planes. The machines are often unusable for several years because they need to be upgraded or repaired, reports "Der Spiegel" citing internal reports from the responsible military technical department. The main reasons for the failures are technical errors, problems with quality assurance at the manufacturer EADS, a lack of spare parts and a lack of testing specialists."

https://focus-magazin.com/politik/deutschland/probleme-fuer-die-bundeswehr-eurofighter-kampfjets-bleiben-oft-am-boden_id_3333809.html

It was designed to be a cheap plane, not es effective as the F-16 but with half of its cost. Now, it is a billion dollar grave. One of the problems might be bad communication between the European manufacturers. It let to problems with other aircraft too, such as the Transall A400M or the Airbus A380.

That's the Germans for ya, everyone else manages.

 

[Bleipriester]

That's the Germans for ya, everyone else manages.

Not really. Boing has problems too, nowadays. And the F-35 is also not the best example, but now its up and running at acceptable costs.

 

[Zincwarrior]

German pilot 1st Lt. Alexander Grant and American pilot Capt. Patrick Pearce delivered a dogfight in German skies. They didn´t know their opponents, just were given coordinates.

Both pilots claim defeat. The German pilot says the F-35 would have killed him out of sight due to its stealth capabilities and the American pilot claims the Eurofighter would have outmaneuvered him and shot him from behind due its better thrust and maneuverability. Both aircraft were unarmed.

MSN

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It should be noted that such a dofight lacks realism. The Eurofighter is a bad design with a faulty fuselage. Due to that the Eurofighter may not fire its guns and may fall apart in the sky. It also may not travel further than 20 minutes far from its host. If you don´t believe me, check how many Eurofighters were used in actual euro missions, for example in Libya or Syria: Zero.

Its ok. The Russian would have exploded on the ground

 

[Bleipriester]

Its ok. The Russian would have exploded on the ground

Stupid bullshit.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Stupid bullshit.

Putin thanks you for your service.

 

[Litwin]

Its ok. The Russian would have exploded on the ground

Stupid bullshit.

back to the real world :

BREAKING: American made Ukrainian F-16 shot down a Muscovite Su-34. so Mr Biden , where is putin´s red lines ?

American made Ukrainian F-16 shot down a Muscovite Su-34, Mr Biden , so where is putin´s red lines ? It's only one SU-34.But it'd be the by F-16 and likely not the last. It will force the THE 🇷🇺 🐷 🇸🇦 HORDESMEN to think twice before making a new glide bomb attack. This might be a game...

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[Captain Caveman]

Not really. Boing has problems too, nowadays. And the F-35 is also not the best example, but now its up and running at acceptable costs.

Back to the Messerschmitt Bf 109

 

[Bleipriester]

Putin thanks you for your service.

The money is rolling in.

 

[Bleipriester]

real world :

Topic is the EF - F-35 dogfight.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The money is rolling in.

Invest it into electric fighter jets!!

 

[Bleipriester]

Back to the Messerschmitt Bf 109

YES! The most successful plane that exists until today. If we only had a successor that is on par with the 109 and in large numbers!

 

[Bleipriester]

Invest it into electric fighter jets!!

With windmills that propel it and generate the power for this at the same time?

 

[Captain Caveman]

YES! The most successful plane that exists until today. If we only had a successor that is on par with the 109 and in large numbers!

The Messerschmitt and Spitfire were actually quite similar, both having their moments. Probably the edge was down to the flying skills of the pilot.

Spitfire versus the Messerschmitt 109: which was the better combat aircraft?

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Probably one formidable aircraft was the Harrier, it disintegrated the Argentinian air force in the Falklands war

 

[Bleipriester]

The Messerschmitt and Spitfire were actually quite similar, both having their moments. Probably the edge was down to the flying skills of the pilot.

Spitfire versus the Messerschmitt 109: which was the better combat aircraft?

The Spitfire and the Messerschmitt 109 were two of the most iconic aircraft of World War II. These fighter planes are often compared in terms of their design, performance, and impact on the outcome of the war. In this blog post, we will explore the history of the Spitfire and the Messerschmitt...

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Probably one formidable aircraft was the Harrier, it disintegrated the Argentinian air force in the Falklands war

If you compare the lists of flying aces of Germany and Great Britain, you will see, that the German list starts in the hundreds and the British one-digit, because they don´t have three-digit aces.

List of World War II aces from the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

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List of World War II aces from Germany - Wikipedia

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You can also see an overall list, but it is hidden in the list of versions of this article:

List of World War II flying aces - Wikipedia

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See here. The total and absolute superiority of the 109 cannot be questioned. Its the god of aircraft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_World_War_II_flying_aces&oldid=1185694988

 

[Captain Caveman]

If you compare the lists of flying aces of Germany and Great Britain, you will see, that the German list starts in the hundreds and the British one-digit, because they don´t have three-digit aces.

List of World War II aces from the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of World War II aces from Germany - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You can also see an overall list, but it is hidden in the list of versions of this article:

List of World War II flying aces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

See here. The total and absolute superiority of the 109 cannot be questioned. Its the god of aircraft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_World_War_II_flying_aces&oldid=1185694988

An example of 20 jets v 100 jets

 

[AZrailwhale]

If you compare the lists of flying aces of Germany and Great Britain, you will see, that the German list starts in the hundreds and the British one-digit, because they don´t have three-digit aces.

List of World War II aces from the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of World War II aces from Germany - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You can also see an overall list, but it is hidden in the list of versions of this article:

List of World War II flying aces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

See here. The total and absolute superiority of the 109 cannot be questioned. Its the god of aircraft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_World_War_II_flying_aces&oldid=1185694988

It's a known fact that the Luftwaffe knowingly allowed massive overclaims and most of those kills were against hapless Soviet pilots in obsolete aircraft like Polikarpov I-15 biplanes and I-16s. Until the Yak-9 the Soviets never produced a fighter that was competitive against Bf-109s and Fw-190s.

 

[Bleipriester]

It's a known fact that the Luftwaffe knowingly allowed massive overclaims and most of those kills were against hapless Soviet pilots in obsolete aircraft like Polikarpov I-15 biplanes and I-16s. Until the Yak-9 the Soviets never produced a fighter that was competitive against Bf-109s and Fw-190s.

These are just lame excuses.