Ok dem's, progressives you don't like fences, deportations, put it on the table. What should the border look like? Wide open? How many should be allowed per year/month. Should they have to have a sponsor, clean bill of health, immunizations, a skill that fits a specific need, background check, ID, birth certificate?
Once that is set what should happen to those that come illegally once the new comprehensive law is passed? Do we grant amnesty every 5 years.
Or do we set the rules and deport all who violate the law?
We have laws in place that we chose not to follow and we have chaos now.
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Without reading this entire thread, or anyone elses ideas...
I think we need to stop the hiring of illegal immigrants...don't know how completely....but certain it can be figured out with a means for employers to check upon hire, and through penalties/fines that are so LARGESS that employers will not want to skirt the system or take the chance of skirting the system to save a dime or two on illegal hired hands....
The border should NOT and should NEVER be wide open. It's a homeland security threat... and it makes immigration unfair....we as a country have always felt that it is a limited MIXTURE of nationalities that makes America great and interesting and successful....Thank God Einstein was let in!

So, over filling our country with just 1 or two nationalities is hurting us and keeping others, from all over the world, that want to come here LEGALLY, from making it here... due to the quotas being kept lower than what America could handle if it were not for all of the illegal immigrants that have come in.
I don't think a fence would work across the southern border, UNLESS it were a fence across the ENTIRE border.... and THAT is cost prohibitive....it costs way more than what we have to spend on something like that, UNLESS.....UNLESS there is some kind of technology that can not be messed with, that can put some sort of invisible fence up with warning signs, that does not harm the person crossing and does not kill them, for goodness sake, but something that would deter them from crossing, which does NOT COST too much....
And granted, I know nothing about the Southern Border of the USA, other than the Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, and Florida coast line where I lived for a while, so I could be just dreaming with some of my ideas...
I think President Bush's idea on a guest worker program being escalated or elevated might need to be part of this immigration reform....it was to increase and to simplify, temporary guest worker visas for the migrant workers and seasonal workers...up here it would be chamber maids for the summer only resort hotels which some resort owners who can not fill their positions with Americans get from Jamaica right now, so that none had to come in here illegally, and all of them would easily be able to go back home when the season is over and come back in when the picking season or resort season, begins again....I don't remember exactly, but it was something like a 5 or a 10 year guest worker visa where they did not have to go through all of the hoop dee doo on yearly or whatever basis for renewals and making it harder for them to leave and go home, for the fear of them not being able to come back in legally or come back in at all.
We need a better system of tracking student visa people.....when the visa is up, then need to go home, and spread their invaluable knowledge that they were blessed to be given the chance at receiving.... in their own country....we invite them here, so they can SPREAD what they have learned in to their own communities, back in their homeland...that's the purpose....not so sure if this is being done, many could be just staying here....(and I can't blame them for wanting to stay here, it's a wonderful place to live, in all the years and places I have lived....it's the best so far! However, this is unfair to those waiting in line to come here legally.)
I honestly do not know what to do with all of the illegals that are living here already....there are so many of them....I think the idea of focusing on deporting the ones with no ties, the ones with criminal records, the ones in gangs etc etc etc, is the first step.... I do think that those that have had children born in the USA, should be the very last.... I just do....I don't want to separate mother, father and child or mother and child, and the child as a USA citizen can not be deported and it just could turn ugly all around....
I've said enough for now...
(and some of my ideas on second thought are scaring me, seeing how all of this could lead to all of us being tattooed or CHIPPED, with a number on/in our right hand or forehead

so we can prove that we are American citizens and not illegals, (the Mark of the Beast) and everyone just going along with it due to their amplified fear of illegals) I know I'll be laughed at for that thought, but it sure seems like this is where we could be going...and I am jumping off this band wagon if that is the case!!!