sakinago
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Where is the collusion? There is a difference between a foreign government wanting a certain leader to be elected (either for self interest or noble interest, doesn't matter), and a case of scratching each other's backs, which would constitute collusion. So how has trump scratched the back of the Russians? There are still sanctions on Russia, and going off the word of the trump administration will remain until Russia ends its involvement in the Ukraine. So what has this administration done to scratch the back of Putin, and why the hell have we not heard of it with leaks coming left and right out of this administration, like buckshot to a watering tin?
Now did Russia try to influence this election, yes. Duh. This is a problem, but it is a separate problem from collusion. Did they want trump to win, yes, but to claim collusion, there needs to be some sort of two way benefits going back and forth. Where are they? What has Putin got from trump?
If you were to try to influence the French election so that le Pen wouldn't win, that's wrong on you're part. But if you do so on you're own accord, and le Pen doesn't give back anything to you...how then could someone call that collusion on le pens part?
I don't even like trump, but the left has gone over the cliff, they are turning into Alex jones, where EVERYTHING, every move, statement, policy, or sneeze is now a conspiracy fueled by racism, bigotry, and sexism to throw us back into the puritanical/slavery age. It's time to come back to reality. There are numerous fair criticisms of trump to be made, stick to those. You're playing out the little boy who cried wolf because you're looking for impeachment, and by doing so drowning out your own voice to the people who will listen to reason. But all that reason is NOT being heard through the "#fire comey, unless Trump (the only person who really can fire comey) does so, then comey is a hero, trump is a lex Luther villain." It's ridiculous. Reasonable people see the hypocrisy and are tuning you out, want nothing to do with anything else you say. We're tired of it.
Now did Russia try to influence this election, yes. Duh. This is a problem, but it is a separate problem from collusion. Did they want trump to win, yes, but to claim collusion, there needs to be some sort of two way benefits going back and forth. Where are they? What has Putin got from trump?
If you were to try to influence the French election so that le Pen wouldn't win, that's wrong on you're part. But if you do so on you're own accord, and le Pen doesn't give back anything to you...how then could someone call that collusion on le pens part?
I don't even like trump, but the left has gone over the cliff, they are turning into Alex jones, where EVERYTHING, every move, statement, policy, or sneeze is now a conspiracy fueled by racism, bigotry, and sexism to throw us back into the puritanical/slavery age. It's time to come back to reality. There are numerous fair criticisms of trump to be made, stick to those. You're playing out the little boy who cried wolf because you're looking for impeachment, and by doing so drowning out your own voice to the people who will listen to reason. But all that reason is NOT being heard through the "#fire comey, unless Trump (the only person who really can fire comey) does so, then comey is a hero, trump is a lex Luther villain." It's ridiculous. Reasonable people see the hypocrisy and are tuning you out, want nothing to do with anything else you say. We're tired of it.