Illegals means different from citizens ..

[cnm]

No, they’re criminals.

Criminals, you say?

The 2020 census will continue to count incarcerated people as residents of the place they are imprisoned instead of their homes, a decision critics say can target prisoners and give unfair political power to the rural areas where prisons are located.
https://www.huffpost.com​

 

[Rigby5]

Ah these people that are being called illegal are actually natives, and most of the "citizens" of the US are the ones from Europe and not native.
And rights have nothing to do with citizenship.

A person here illegally can commit a crime in doing so, but only is they do something illegal like forge a document. If they just over stay a visa, that is not a crime.

 

[Faun]

outrageous to count illegals here illegally equal to citizens

Totally outrageous crookedness to count those equal


The citizens will rise up to stop this crookedness of the democrats and they will be charged with treason for trying to weaken the nation

Foolish losers are the ones that cannot predict that !!

The census brings the correct balanced help if only citizens are counted

Counting illegals would bankrupt a nation and destroy the nation with wise white flight leaving

It's time to start locking up the harmers

The Census is already messed up
seeing how Hispanics can identify as white for race

What race should they be??

White Hispanic and Latino Americans

26,735,713
8.7% of the total U.S. population
11.9% of all White Americans
53.0% of all Hispanic and Latino Americans (2010, census)

In the United States, a White Hispanic is an American citizen or resident who is racially white and of Hispanic descent and/or speaks the Spanish language natively. The term white, itself an official U.S. racial category, refers to people "having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East and north Africa"


Based on the definitions created by the Office of Management and Budget and the U.S. Census Bureau, the concepts of race and ethnicity are mutually independent, and respondents to the census and other Census Bureau surveys are asked to answer both questions. Hispanicity is independent and thus not the same as race, and constitutes an ethnicity category, as opposed to a racial category, the only one of which that is officially collated by the U.S. Census Bureau. For the Census Bureau, ethnicity distinguishes between those who report ancestral origins in Spain or Hispanic America (Hispanic and Latino Americans), and those who do not (non-Hispanic Americans).The U.S. Census Bureau asks each resident to report the "race or races with which they most closely identify."

White Americans are therefore referenced as white Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites, the former consisting of white Americans who report Hispanophone identity (Spanish Hispanic Latin America), and the latter consisting of white Americans who do not report Hispanophone ancestry.

As of 2010, 50.5 million or 16.3% of Americans identified as Hispanic or Latino.
Of those, 26.7 million, or 53%, also self-identified as white.


In the 2010 United States Census, 50.5 million Americans (16.3% of the total population) listed themselves as ethnically Hispanic or Latino. Of those, 53.0% (26.7 million) self-identified as racially white. The remaining respondents listed their races as: some other race 36.7%, two or more races (multiracial) 6.0%, Black or African American 2.5%, American Indian and Alaska Native 1.4%, Asian 0.4%, and Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander 0.1%.

The respondents in the "some other race" category are reclassified as white by the Census Bureau in its official estimates of race. This means that more than 90% of all Hispanic or Latino Americans are counted as "white" in some statistics of the US government.

Hispanics and Latinos who are native-born and those who are immigrant
identify as White in nearly identical percentages:
53.9 and 53.7, respectively, per figures from 2007.
The overall Hispanic or Latino ratio was 53.8%

White Hispanics and Latino Americans


Race and ethnicity in the United States Census, defined by the federal Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and the United States Census Bureau, are self-identification data items in which residents choose the race or races with which they most closely identify, and indicate whether or not they are of Hispanic or Latino origin (the only categories for ethnicity).

The racial categories represent a social-political construct for the race or races that respondents consider themselves to be and, "generally reflect a social definition of race recognized in this country." OMB defines the concept of race as outlined for the US Census as not "scientific or anthropological" and takes into account "social and cultural characteristics as well as ancestry", using "appropriate scientific methodologies" that are not "primarily biological or genetic in reference." The race categories include both racial and national-origin groups.

Race and ethnicity are considered separate and distinct identities, with Hispanic or Latino origin asked as a separate question. Thus, in addition to their race or races, all respondents are categorized by membership in one of two ethnic categories, which are "Hispanic or Latino" and "Not Hispanic or Latino". However, the practice of separating "race" and "ethnicity" as different categories has been criticized both by the American Anthropological Association and members of US Commission on Civil Rights.

In 1997, OMB issued a Federal Register notice regarding revisions to the standards for the classification of federal data on race and ethnicity.
OMB developed race and ethnic standards in order to provide "consistent data on race and ethnicity throughout the Federal Government.


1970 Census

Where was this person born?
Is this person's origin or descent...
Mexican
Puerto Rican
Cuban
Central or South American
Other Spanish
None of These

What country was the person's father born in?
What country was the person's mother born in?

For persons born in a foreign country- Is the person naturalized?
When did the person come to the United States to stay?

What language, other than English,
was spoken in the person's home as a child?
Spanish
French
Italian
German
Other
None, only English


1980 Census

In what state or foreign country was the person born?

If this person was born in a foreign country...
Is this person a naturalized citizen of the United States?

When did this person come to the United States to stay?

Does this person speak a language other than English at home?
If yes, what is this language?
If yes, how well does this person speak English?

What is this person's ancestry?


1990 Census

In what U.S. State or foreign country was this person born?
Is this person a citizen of the United States?
If this person was not born in the United States,
when did this person come to the United States to stay?


2000 Census

Race was asked differently in the 2000 Census in several other ways than previously. Most significantly, respondents were given the option of selecting one or more race categories to indicate racial identities. Data show that nearly seven million Americans identified as members of two or more races. Because of these changes, the 2000 Census data on race are not directly comparable with data from the 1990 Census or earlier censuses. Use of caution is therefore recommended when interpreting changes in the racial composition of the US population over time.

White, A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe
the Middle East or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as
White or report entries such as Irish, German, English, Scandinavian,
Scottish, Near Easterners, Iranian, Lebanese or Polish.

Some other race includes Hispanic/Latino groups
(Mexican, Cuban, Puerto Rican)

Race and Ethnicity in the United States Census

I meant, what's wrong with that? What race [do you think] they should be?

Ok, I'm done with you. Despite your incessant whining about white Hispanics, you're clearly incapable of saying what race you think they should be classified as. So clearly, white Hispanic is the best classification to fit them in.

 

[keepitreal]

outrageous to count illegals here illegally equal to citizens

Totally outrageous crookedness to count those equal


The citizens will rise up to stop this crookedness of the democrats and they will be charged with treason for trying to weaken the nation

Foolish losers are the ones that cannot predict that !!

The census brings the correct balanced help if only citizens are counted

Counting illegals would bankrupt a nation and destroy the nation with wise white flight leaving

It's time to start locking up the harmers

The Census is already messed up
seeing how Hispanics can identify as white for race

What race should they be??

White Hispanic and Latino Americans

26,735,713
8.7% of the total U.S. population
11.9% of all White Americans
53.0% of all Hispanic and Latino Americans (2010, census)

In the United States, a White Hispanic is an American citizen or resident who is racially white and of Hispanic descent and/or speaks the Spanish language natively. The term white, itself an official U.S. racial category, refers to people "having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East and north Africa"


Based on the definitions created by the Office of Management and Budget and the U.S. Census Bureau, the concepts of race and ethnicity are mutually independent, and respondents to the census and other Census Bureau surveys are asked to answer both questions. Hispanicity is independent and thus not the same as race, and constitutes an ethnicity category, as opposed to a racial category, the only one of which that is officially collated by the U.S. Census Bureau. For the Census Bureau, ethnicity distinguishes between those who report ancestral origins in Spain or Hispanic America (Hispanic and Latino Americans), and those who do not (non-Hispanic Americans).The U.S. Census Bureau asks each resident to report the "race or races with which they most closely identify."

White Americans are therefore referenced as white Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites, the former consisting of white Americans who report Hispanophone identity (Spanish Hispanic Latin America), and the latter consisting of white Americans who do not report Hispanophone ancestry.

As of 2010, 50.5 million or 16.3% of Americans identified as Hispanic or Latino.
Of those, 26.7 million, or 53%, also self-identified as white.


In the 2010 United States Census, 50.5 million Americans (16.3% of the total population) listed themselves as ethnically Hispanic or Latino. Of those, 53.0% (26.7 million) self-identified as racially white. The remaining respondents listed their races as: some other race 36.7%, two or more races (multiracial) 6.0%, Black or African American 2.5%, American Indian and Alaska Native 1.4%, Asian 0.4%, and Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander 0.1%.

The respondents in the "some other race" category are reclassified as white by the Census Bureau in its official estimates of race. This means that more than 90% of all Hispanic or Latino Americans are counted as "white" in some statistics of the US government.

Hispanics and Latinos who are native-born and those who are immigrant
identify as White in nearly identical percentages:
53.9 and 53.7, respectively, per figures from 2007.
The overall Hispanic or Latino ratio was 53.8%

White Hispanics and Latino Americans


Race and ethnicity in the United States Census, defined by the federal Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and the United States Census Bureau, are self-identification data items in which residents choose the race or races with which they most closely identify, and indicate whether or not they are of Hispanic or Latino origin (the only categories for ethnicity).

The racial categories represent a social-political construct for the race or races that respondents consider themselves to be and, "generally reflect a social definition of race recognized in this country." OMB defines the concept of race as outlined for the US Census as not "scientific or anthropological" and takes into account "social and cultural characteristics as well as ancestry", using "appropriate scientific methodologies" that are not "primarily biological or genetic in reference." The race categories include both racial and national-origin groups.

Race and ethnicity are considered separate and distinct identities, with Hispanic or Latino origin asked as a separate question. Thus, in addition to their race or races, all respondents are categorized by membership in one of two ethnic categories, which are "Hispanic or Latino" and "Not Hispanic or Latino". However, the practice of separating "race" and "ethnicity" as different categories has been criticized both by the American Anthropological Association and members of US Commission on Civil Rights.

In 1997, OMB issued a Federal Register notice regarding revisions to the standards for the classification of federal data on race and ethnicity.
OMB developed race and ethnic standards in order to provide "consistent data on race and ethnicity throughout the Federal Government.


1970 Census

Where was this person born?
Is this person's origin or descent...
Mexican
Puerto Rican
Cuban
Central or South American
Other Spanish
None of These

What country was the person's father born in?
What country was the person's mother born in?

For persons born in a foreign country- Is the person naturalized?
When did the person come to the United States to stay?

What language, other than English,
was spoken in the person's home as a child?
Spanish
French
Italian
German
Other
None, only English


1980 Census

In what state or foreign country was the person born?

If this person was born in a foreign country...
Is this person a naturalized citizen of the United States?

When did this person come to the United States to stay?

Does this person speak a language other than English at home?
If yes, what is this language?
If yes, how well does this person speak English?

What is this person's ancestry?


1990 Census

In what U.S. State or foreign country was this person born?
Is this person a citizen of the United States?
If this person was not born in the United States,
when did this person come to the United States to stay?


2000 Census

Race was asked differently in the 2000 Census in several other ways than previously. Most significantly, respondents were given the option of selecting one or more race categories to indicate racial identities. Data show that nearly seven million Americans identified as members of two or more races. Because of these changes, the 2000 Census data on race are not directly comparable with data from the 1990 Census or earlier censuses. Use of caution is therefore recommended when interpreting changes in the racial composition of the US population over time.

White, A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe
the Middle East or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as
White or report entries such as Irish, German, English, Scandinavian,
Scottish, Near Easterners, Iranian, Lebanese or Polish.

Some other race includes Hispanic/Latino groups
(Mexican, Cuban, Puerto Rican)

Race and Ethnicity in the United States Census

I meant, what's wrong with that? What race [do you think] they should be?

If their ethnicity can’t define them as a race,
then they need to create a race for them

It makes no sense to me whatsoever

How is this effecting employment statistics
crime statistics, government assistance statistics
foreclosure statistics, population statistics

 

[keepitreal]

The Census is already messed up
seeing how Hispanics can identify as white for race

What race should they be??

White Hispanic and Latino Americans

26,735,713
8.7% of the total U.S. population
11.9% of all White Americans
53.0% of all Hispanic and Latino Americans (2010, census)

In the United States, a White Hispanic is an American citizen or resident who is racially white and of Hispanic descent and/or speaks the Spanish language natively. The term white, itself an official U.S. racial category, refers to people "having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East and north Africa"


Based on the definitions created by the Office of Management and Budget and the U.S. Census Bureau, the concepts of race and ethnicity are mutually independent, and respondents to the census and other Census Bureau surveys are asked to answer both questions. Hispanicity is independent and thus not the same as race, and constitutes an ethnicity category, as opposed to a racial category, the only one of which that is officially collated by the U.S. Census Bureau. For the Census Bureau, ethnicity distinguishes between those who report ancestral origins in Spain or Hispanic America (Hispanic and Latino Americans), and those who do not (non-Hispanic Americans).The U.S. Census Bureau asks each resident to report the "race or races with which they most closely identify."

White Americans are therefore referenced as white Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites, the former consisting of white Americans who report Hispanophone identity (Spanish Hispanic Latin America), and the latter consisting of white Americans who do not report Hispanophone ancestry.

As of 2010, 50.5 million or 16.3% of Americans identified as Hispanic or Latino.
Of those, 26.7 million, or 53%, also self-identified as white.


In the 2010 United States Census, 50.5 million Americans (16.3% of the total population) listed themselves as ethnically Hispanic or Latino. Of those, 53.0% (26.7 million) self-identified as racially white. The remaining respondents listed their races as: some other race 36.7%, two or more races (multiracial) 6.0%, Black or African American 2.5%, American Indian and Alaska Native 1.4%, Asian 0.4%, and Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander 0.1%.

The respondents in the "some other race" category are reclassified as white by the Census Bureau in its official estimates of race. This means that more than 90% of all Hispanic or Latino Americans are counted as "white" in some statistics of the US government.

Hispanics and Latinos who are native-born and those who are immigrant
identify as White in nearly identical percentages:
53.9 and 53.7, respectively, per figures from 2007.
The overall Hispanic or Latino ratio was 53.8%

White Hispanics and Latino Americans


Race and ethnicity in the United States Census, defined by the federal Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and the United States Census Bureau, are self-identification data items in which residents choose the race or races with which they most closely identify, and indicate whether or not they are of Hispanic or Latino origin (the only categories for ethnicity).

The racial categories represent a social-political construct for the race or races that respondents consider themselves to be and, "generally reflect a social definition of race recognized in this country." OMB defines the concept of race as outlined for the US Census as not "scientific or anthropological" and takes into account "social and cultural characteristics as well as ancestry", using "appropriate scientific methodologies" that are not "primarily biological or genetic in reference." The race categories include both racial and national-origin groups.

Race and ethnicity are considered separate and distinct identities, with Hispanic or Latino origin asked as a separate question. Thus, in addition to their race or races, all respondents are categorized by membership in one of two ethnic categories, which are "Hispanic or Latino" and "Not Hispanic or Latino". However, the practice of separating "race" and "ethnicity" as different categories has been criticized both by the American Anthropological Association and members of US Commission on Civil Rights.

In 1997, OMB issued a Federal Register notice regarding revisions to the standards for the classification of federal data on race and ethnicity.
OMB developed race and ethnic standards in order to provide "consistent data on race and ethnicity throughout the Federal Government.


1970 Census

Where was this person born?
Is this person's origin or descent...
Mexican
Puerto Rican
Cuban
Central or South American
Other Spanish
None of These

What country was the person's father born in?
What country was the person's mother born in?

For persons born in a foreign country- Is the person naturalized?
When did the person come to the United States to stay?

What language, other than English,
was spoken in the person's home as a child?
Spanish
French
Italian
German
Other
None, only English


1980 Census

In what state or foreign country was the person born?

If this person was born in a foreign country...
Is this person a naturalized citizen of the United States?

When did this person come to the United States to stay?

Does this person speak a language other than English at home?
If yes, what is this language?
If yes, how well does this person speak English?

What is this person's ancestry?


1990 Census

In what U.S. State or foreign country was this person born?
Is this person a citizen of the United States?
If this person was not born in the United States,
when did this person come to the United States to stay?


2000 Census

Race was asked differently in the 2000 Census in several other ways than previously. Most significantly, respondents were given the option of selecting one or more race categories to indicate racial identities. Data show that nearly seven million Americans identified as members of two or more races. Because of these changes, the 2000 Census data on race are not directly comparable with data from the 1990 Census or earlier censuses. Use of caution is therefore recommended when interpreting changes in the racial composition of the US population over time.

White, A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe
the Middle East or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as
White or report entries such as Irish, German, English, Scandinavian,
Scottish, Near Easterners, Iranian, Lebanese or Polish.

Some other race includes Hispanic/Latino groups
(Mexican, Cuban, Puerto Rican)

Race and Ethnicity in the United States Census

I meant, what's wrong with that? What race [do you think] they should be?

Ok, I'm done with you. Despite your incessant whining about white Hispanics, you're clearly incapable of saying what race you think they should be classified as. So clearly, white Hispanic is the best classification to fit them in.

Central America/Latin America

Spaniard/Hispanic/Latino/Mexican

 

[Slade3200]

outrageous to count illegals here illegally equal to citizens

Totally outrageous crookedness to count those equal

The citizens will rise up to stop this crookedness of the democrats and they will be charged with treason for trying to weaken the nation

Foolish losers are the ones that cannot predict that !!

The census brings the correct balanced help if only citizens are counted

Counting illegals would bankrupt a nation and destroy the nation with wise white flight leaving

It's time to start locking up the harmers

All is not lost. The citizenship question has been on many censuses before and shall be again if Trump has anything to say about it. This has not ended or been stopped. All SCOTUS did was temporarily deflect it due to some procedural thing they didn't like. We WILL get to the bottom of just who is illegal in this country, the million or so who have been told to leave the country and owe fines and have done neither. ICE will find them. Then we will finally get at the heart of ending illegal voting.

NO SANE PERSON can be against this, which tells you why the Dims fight tooth and nail to protect it.

What’s the tooth and nail opposition against it? I haven’t heard

Critics of the proposal to add a citizenship question to the census are concerned that if a large number of immigrants don’t respond or respond incorrectly, the results will be inaccurate, and as a result, certain areas of the country will lose funding or political representation. Both parties could be affected, since an undercount of immigrants would likely hurt red states like Texas and blue states like California.

Social science methods have evolved to the point that high-quality citizenship data can be and already is collected via other Census Bureau surveys and administrative records. So why add a question to the census that could harm the quality and credibility of the data and also may not be necessary?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-citizenship-question-could-break-the-census/

Thanks for the answer... how does knowing a persons citizenship status effect funding and representatives?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

No, they’re criminals.

Criminals, you say?

The 2020 census will continue to count incarcerated people as residents of the place they are imprisoned instead of their homes, a decision critics say can target prisoners and give unfair political power to the rural areas where prisons are located.
https://www.huffpost.com​

Are those prisoners subject to deportation?

 

[debbiedowner]

outrageous to count illegals here illegally equal to citizens

Totally outrageous crookedness to count those equal


The citizens will rise up to stop this crookedness of the democrats and they will be charged with treason for trying to weaken the nation

Foolish losers are the ones that cannot predict that !!

The census brings the correct balanced help if only citizens are counted

Counting illegals would bankrupt a nation and destroy the nation with wise white flight leaving

It's time to start locking up the harmers

Who's seeking to add a question on the census about the legal residency status of non-U.S. citizens??

It was there during the barry admin....until it wasnt.

Hasn't been asked on census since 1950.

But why?
Give me a good excuse as to why illegals should be counted in the census.

You're asking me why the question hasn't been on the form since 1950? How the **** should I know and I don't really give a damn if they ask or don't ask.

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Not putting that data on the census destroys LEARNING

Then the wise leaves and the dominoes start falling fast to destroy the nation

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Only crooks wants to stop learning

 

[Flopper]

outrageous to count illegals here illegally equal to citizens

Totally outrageous crookedness to count those equal


The citizens will rise up to stop this crookedness of the democrats and they will be charged with treason for trying to weaken the nation

Foolish losers are the ones that cannot predict that !!

The census brings the correct balanced help if only citizens are counted

Counting illegals would bankrupt a nation and destroy the nation with wise white flight leaving

It's time to start locking up the harmers

Who's seeking to add a question on the census about the legal residency status of non-U.S. citizens??

It was there during the barry admin....until it wasnt.

Stop lying, there was no such question.

The last time a citizenship question was asked was 1950
1950 - History - U.S. Census Bureau

Alright then....
Why isn't it pertinent today?

The Census Bureau has sent out surveys which contain questions about citizenship to segments of the population that form a cross section of the total population. These surveys are used strictly for collecting data for statistical purposes. Certain topics result in lower responses to the survey. Questions about citizenship, religion, drugs, mental health always get a lower response. Since the goal of the census is get a complete and accurate count of the entire population, we don't include those questions because it defeats the purpose of the census.

 

[Flopper]

outrageous to count illegals here illegally equal to citizens

Totally outrageous crookedness to count those equal

The citizens will rise up to stop this crookedness of the democrats and they will be charged with treason for trying to weaken the nation

Foolish losers are the ones that cannot predict that !!

The census brings the correct balanced help if only citizens are counted

Counting illegals would bankrupt a nation and destroy the nation with wise white flight leaving

It's time to start locking up the harmers

All is not lost. The citizenship question has been on many censuses before and shall be again if Trump has anything to say about it. This has not ended or been stopped. All SCOTUS did was temporarily deflect it due to some procedural thing they didn't like. We WILL get to the bottom of just who is illegal in this country, the million or so who have been told to leave the country and owe fines and have done neither. ICE will find them. Then we will finally get at the heart of ending illegal voting.

NO SANE PERSON can be against this, which tells you why the Dims fight tooth and nail to protect it.

What’s the tooth and nail opposition against it? I haven’t heard

Critics of the proposal to add a citizenship question to the census are concerned that if a large number of immigrants don’t respond or respond incorrectly, the results will be inaccurate, and as a result, certain areas of the country will lose funding or political representation. Both parties could be affected, since an undercount of immigrants would likely hurt red states like Texas and blue states like California.

Social science methods have evolved to the point that high-quality citizenship data can be and already is collected via other Census Bureau surveys and administrative records. So why add a question to the census that could harm the quality and credibility of the data and also may not be necessary?
How The Citizenship Question Could Break The Census

Thanks for the answer... how does knowing a persons citizenship status effect funding and representatives?

It doesn't. It will only effect funding and representation, if some of the residences that contain aliens, don't respond to the census because they don't want to reveal the fact that some of the people at the residence are not citizens.