Illegal Immigration. What to do about it.

[monkrules]

Open borders, period. It was how this nation was founded. It was the will of the founders. Let the free market take care of it.

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Live it, or blow the damn statue up.

That's pure bullshit.

Immigrants were needed in the 1700s and 1800s, when the country was empty (aside from some indians). They came and worked to improve their own lives and they helped build this nation.

Our country is no longer empty. It's getting more crowded by the day, thanks to ******* illegal scumbags. It's time to completely shut down the gravy train. Illegals cause FAR more problems than they solve..

Most of today's illegal aliens seem always to be running away from their problems. They seem too cowardly and lazy to fight, and do the hard work needed to fix and improve their own ******* country.

Instead, they break into our house and cause every imaginable kind of problem. Always whining. Always with their ******* hand out.

Best thing to do? Round them up and ship them back to the shithole they came from. And while you're at it, round up as many BLM scumbags, and their supporters as possible. Ship their whiny asses to some African shithole. Any one will do.

 

[doinit]

Well, I couldn't have said it better myself.

So no real solution then, right?

I said it can't be spoken of. Not that a solution didn't exist. It existed for the American Patriots before the Revolutionary War. It existed for the French peasants before the French Revolution. In both cases, it was probably illegal to speak of - support. Get the picture?

 

[doinit]

Open borders, period. It was how this nation was founded. It was the will of the founders. Let the free market take care of it.

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Live it, or blow the damn statue up.

Blow the damn statue up! America was never about open borders. The immigrants that came were invited. Also, part of that bullshit statement was, "Give us your tired, your poor." When what this country really wanted was more slaves. And for the foreigners who read that crap, only the stupid ones thought that they might come here and be at ease.

 

[doinit]

See post seven.

See post #11.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Illegal Immigration. What to do about it.

Simple: immigration reform – reform Republicans wrongheadedly oppose.

Republicans/conservatives also need to be educated as to the facts of immigration – for example, that an immigrant might be undocumented doesn’t mean he’s ‘illegal.’

Unfortunately, meaningful immigration reform isn’t going to happen the consequence of the racism, bigotry, and hate of willfully ignorant nativist Republicans.

 

[doinit]

Simple: immigration reform – reform Republicans wrongheadedly oppose.

Republicans/conservatives also need to be educated as to the facts of immigration – for example, that an immigrant might be undocumented doesn’t mean he’s ‘illegal.’

Unfortunately, meaningful immigration reform isn’t going to happen the consequence of the racism, bigotry, and hate of willfully ignorant nativist Republicans.

What is the purpose of "immigration reform." It isn't to round up illegals and send them back across the border. It is to make it easier for them to come here and stay here. To make children illegals brought here become citizens. To stop cops from looking for illegals. Those things aren't solutions. They would make the problem worse.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Simple: immigration reform – reform Republicans wrongheadedly oppose.

Republicans/conservatives also need to be educated as to the facts of immigration – for example, that an immigrant might be undocumented doesn’t mean he’s ‘illegal.’

Unfortunately, meaningful immigration reform isn’t going to happen the consequence of the racism, bigotry, and hate of willfully ignorant nativist Republicans.

hey dumbass....the democrats are not doing anything to help this situation....come to S.Calif you stupid ass.....

 

[Unkotare]

We could try many things, if the political will were there and the voting public had an attention span greater than that of a squirrel. We could have kept building the wall system then augmenting it year by year with emerging technologies as they became available. Might not be a cure-all, but something is better than nothing. We could set up systems of incentives in the most common countries of origin that wouldn't blow up our budget and would allow us to funnel would-be immigrants to industries in need if the individuals so approved had demonstrable and needed skills, training, and/or education. We could do a better job of carrot and sticking the governments of the most common countries of origin. We could stop defunding police and instead empower them to work closely with immigration and border patrol personnel. There are hundreds of things we could try that might actually happen in the real world.

 

[surada]

Well, you managed to come up with a solution that would work and can be spoken of. Though the chances of that happening are about zero. Those globalization, wage slave loving industrialists who run this country wouldn't allow it. For one example, look at Bill Gates. Since 2003 that scumbag gave around 29 million dollars to the racist group LaRaza. Which means "The Race." And it isn't the gringo race who they are interested in. So, how about a solution that would work.

Trump properties employed many illegals over the past 50 years. The wall is a vanity project.. fine employers who hire illegals and you'll reduce the problem by 80%.

 

[BlackSand]

Simple: immigration reform – reform Republicans wrongheadedly oppose.

Republicans/conservatives also need to be educated as to the facts of immigration – for example, that an immigrant might be undocumented doesn’t mean he’s ‘illegal.’

Unfortunately, meaningful immigration reform isn’t going to happen the consequence of the racism, bigotry, and hate of willfully ignorant nativist Republicans.

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Immigrants aren't illegal ... Foreign National illegally crossing our border aren't Immigrants.
Stop lying and pretending they are Immigrants trying to convince more to come. and for us to let those that do come stay.

Progressives aren't ignorant ... They'll change the meaning of words in order to lie to you.
They'll throw a bunch of words that sound responsible together in order to support their agenda with bullshit.

They expect you to be naive and ignorant ... Because Progressives are full of shit ...
They think they can hide their bullshit behind Humanity and will try to convince you to agree with them by calling you names.


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[AMart]

Open borders, period. It was how this nation was founded. It was the will of the founders. Let the free market take care of it.

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Live it, or blow the damn statue up.

The founders didn't build the statue, hell even the USA didn't build the statue. We have immigration laws and the Xiden admin is using border patrol as a welcoming committee to millions of illegal immigrants.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Open borders, period. It was how this nation was founded. It was the will of the founders. Let the free market take care of it.

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Live it, or blow the damn statue up.

Blow that ******* statue to smithereens. Militarize the border with orders to shoot to kill. Tax all remittances at 50%. Deport all those found immediately no excuses, no hearings.

Prosecute all employers of illegals, all landlords who rent to illegals, all those caught harboring illegals. Close all charities that offer assistance to illegals including feeding at a soup kitchen. Forbid doctors and hospitals from treating them, schools from having them as students. Brand every illegal deported across their face. If they return, shot on sight.

 

[Disir]

Here are your choices. Support it or speak of what should be done to stop it. Keep in mind that the latter isn't allowed to be spoken of. That is unless it is a suggestion that won't work.

Shut the border down for 20 years and allow Americans the opportunity to prosper.

 

[Winston]

Shut the border down for 20 years and allow Americans the opportunity to prosper.

Wow, that is just sad. It is an open admission. Oh, we Americans are not willing to works has hard, we are not willing to sacrifice, we are not dedicated. Please, don't let these individuals motivated to improve their lives in this country because we just can't compete. And hey, I am with you.

I am a change agent. If a company has a new concept, wants to make changes, they contract me. I am a couple of months into a new assignment. When it comes to staffing, I will tell you how things have shaken out. The cream rises to the top, and the cream in the crew I have hired are all immigrants. Those "Americans", they call out sick, they drink on the job, they actually believe they are doing you a favor by showing up for work. The immigrants, they are there every day, EARLY, not on time, and when the job demands it, they stay over. The "Americans", they hit the punch clock seven minutes before time leave. They don't give two shits about the customers, the demands of the job, or anything else. They are collecting a paycheck. They have no pride, the place can be all to shit and they will happily walk away. The immigrants, they have pride. If anything, that is the difference.

You "Americans", for the most part, feel entitled. The concept of "working" seems to escape you. The only thing that matters to you is collecting a paycheck. I don't know if it is poor parenting, because I know for a fact none of my children are that way, or it is just spoiled ass entitlement, that puts you in that position.

But just to put it bluntly, "allow Americans the opportunity to prosper" literally is an open admission that you can't compete, and like I said, "Sad", just sad.

 

[Disir]

Wow, that is just sad. It is an open admission. Oh, we Americans are not willing to works has hard, we are not willing to sacrifice, we are not dedicated. Please, don't let these individuals motivated to improve their lives in this country because we just can't compete. And hey, I am with you.

I am a change agent. If a company has a new concept, wants to make changes, they contract me. I am a couple of months into a new assignment. When it comes to staffing, I will tell you how things have shaken out. The cream rises to the top, and the cream in the crew I have hired are all immigrants. Those "Americans", they call out sick, they drink on the job, they actually believe they are doing you a favor by showing up for work. The immigrants, they are there every day, EARLY, not on time, and when the job demands it, they stay over. The "Americans", they hit the punch clock seven minutes before time leave. They don't give two shits about the customers, the demands of the job, or anything else. They are collecting a paycheck. They have no pride, the place can be all to shit and they will happily walk away. The immigrants, they have pride. If anything, that is the difference.

You "Americans", for the most part, feel entitled. The concept of "working" seems to escape you. The only thing that matters to you is collecting a paycheck. I don't know if it is poor parenting, because I know for a fact none of my children are that way, or it is just spoiled ass entitlement, that puts you in that position.

But just to put it bluntly, "allow Americans the opportunity to prosper" literally is an open admission that you can't compete, and like I said, "Sad", just sad.

This is not my first rodeo. Americans are more than willing to work hard but you will pay them. So again. Shut the borders down for 20 years.

 

[BlackSand]

Wow, that is just sad. It is an open admission. Oh, we Americans are not willing to works has hard, we are not willing to sacrifice, we are not dedicated. Please, don't let these individuals motivated to improve their lives in this country because we just can't compete. And hey, I am with you.

I am a change agent. If a company has a new concept, wants to make changes, they contract me. I am a couple of months into a new assignment. When it comes to staffing, I will tell you how things have shaken out. The cream rises to the top, and the cream in the crew I have hired are all immigrants. Those "Americans", they call out sick, they drink on the job, they actually believe they are doing you a favor by showing up for work. The immigrants, they are there every day, EARLY, not on time, and when the job demands it, they stay over. The "Americans", they hit the punch clock seven minutes before time leave. They don't give two shits about the customers, the demands of the job, or anything else. They are collecting a paycheck. They have no pride, the place can be all to shit and they will happily walk away. The immigrants, they have pride. If anything, that is the difference.

You "Americans", for the most part, feel entitled. The concept of "working" seems to escape you. The only thing that matters to you is collecting a paycheck. I don't know if it is poor parenting, because I know for a fact none of my children are that way, or it is just spoiled ass entitlement, that puts you in that position.

But just to put it bluntly, "allow Americans the opportunity to prosper" literally is an open admission that you can't compete, and like I said, "Sad", just sad.

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Let's pretend chicken farms and roofing contractors use time clocks ...

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[monkrules]

Wow, that is just sad. It is an open admission. Oh, we Americans are not willing to works has hard, we are not willing to sacrifice, we are not dedicated. Please, don't let these individuals motivated to improve their lives in this country because we just can't compete. And hey, I am with you.

I am a change agent. If a company has a new concept, wants to make changes, they contract me. I am a couple of months into a new assignment. When it comes to staffing, I will tell you how things have shaken out. The cream rises to the top, and the cream in the crew I have hired are all immigrants. Those "Americans", they call out sick, they drink on the job, they actually believe they are doing you a favor by showing up for work. The immigrants, they are there every day, EARLY, not on time, and when the job demands it, they stay over. The "Americans", they hit the punch clock seven minutes before time leave. They don't give two shits about the customers, the demands of the job, or anything else. They are collecting a paycheck. They have no pride, the place can be all to shit and they will happily walk away. The immigrants, they have pride. If anything, that is the difference.

You "Americans", for the most part, feel entitled. The concept of "working" seems to escape you. The only thing that matters to you is collecting a paycheck. I don't know if it is poor parenting, because I know for a fact none of my children are that way, or it is just spoiled ass entitlement, that puts you in that position.

But just to put it bluntly, "allow Americans the opportunity to prosper" literally is an open admission that you can't compete, and like I said, "Sad", just sad.

You're full of shit, you miserable ******* LIAR.

Dementia Joe is a ******* traitor who is allowing ILLEGAL ALIENS TO INVADE OUR COUNTRY. They are ******* CRIMINALS.

Most are running away from the problems in their own countries. They're too ******* cowardly to fight for their own homeland.


Instead, they run away from their problems, invade OUR home, then bring their ******* problems with them.

I've heard no one complain about immigrants who come here legally. Especially if they're educated and have skills to offer.

 

[Unkotare]

Wow, that is just sad. It is an open admission. Oh, we Americans are not willing to works has hard, we are not willing to sacrifice, we are not dedicated. Please, don't let these individuals motivated to improve their lives in this country because we just can't compete. And hey, I am with you.

I am a change agent. If a company has a new concept, wants to make changes, they contract me. I am a couple of months into a new assignment. When it comes to staffing, I will tell you how things have shaken out. The cream rises to the top, and the cream in the crew I have hired are all immigrants. Those "Americans", they call out sick, they drink on the job, they actually believe they are doing you a favor by showing up for work. The immigrants, they are there every day, EARLY, not on time, and when the job demands it, they stay over. The "Americans", they hit the punch clock seven minutes before time leave. They don't give two shits about the customers, the demands of the job, or anything else. They are collecting a paycheck. They have no pride, the place can be all to shit and they will happily walk away. The immigrants, they have pride. If anything, that is the difference.

You "Americans", for the most part, feel entitled. The concept of "working" seems to escape you. The only thing that matters to you is collecting a paycheck. I don't know if it is poor parenting, because I know for a fact none of my children are that way, or it is just spoiled ass entitlement, that puts you in that position.

But just to put it bluntly, "allow Americans the opportunity to prosper" literally is an open admission that you can't compete, and like I said, "Sad", just sad.

^^^ Complete bullshit.

 

[Winston]

This is not my first rodeo. Americans are more than willing to work hard but you will pay them. So again. Shut the borders down for 20 years.

It ain't my first rodeo either hoss. My father inherited his father's farm and his father-in-law's farm. For years he leased one of those farms out for cattle grazing, barely collected enough to pay the property tax. The other farm he utilized sharecropping. He put up the money for seed and fertilizer, the sharecropper did the work and provided the equipment, and they split the revenue, not the profit. Corn, soybeans, wheat--about five crops every two years. He made a little money sometimes, he lost a little money sometimes.

My son worked for an immigrant, working in the tomato and pepper fields during the summer. He and his best friend, both white and both over six three. That was over seven years ago. So for the three summers they worked those fields, and the seven seasons since then, I know for a fact that my son and his friend are the only "Americans" that ever worked for that farmer. He has a crew of more than twenty, some probably illegal, some on work visas, most work the tomato fields in Mexico in the winter, the tomato fields here in the spring and summer, and the Christmas tree farms in the fall. And he pays them well thank you.

I know all this because that immigrant now owns those two farms. Dad financed it, and his yearly payment is in the six figures. The reality is no Americans, and yes, that includes me, stepped up and took those farms to their full potential. It took an immigrant, and his workforce of immigrants, legal and illegal. And no Americans, other than my son and his friend, who stood out like sore thumbs as they towered over their coworkers, ever ventured into those fields.

 

[Unkotare]

Contradicting your own position ^^^^^.