If you're a right wing "maker", but fell on hard times, would you be a "taker"? YES.

[Luissa]

The OP is condescending horses ass, go check out his thread about walmart and the people who go there..

a real loser, nothing more

Pot meet kettle

when you see me start a thread like this then you can call me that..

One where you generalize a group of people?

Okay.........

Loser.

 

[Luissa]

I'd go back to schlepping golf bags at the country club before going on the dole.

Good for you.

 

[Stephanie]

Pot meet kettle

when you see me start a thread like this then you can call me that..

One where you generalize a group of people?

Okay.........

Loser.

when I start a THREAD doing it than you can call me that...

 

[bucs90]

I'd go back to schlepping golf bags at the country club before going on the dole.

What if you couldn't? What if you had become disabled? Or the recession was so bad, the golf course went belly up? OR...they found someone who would do it cheaper than you?

WHAT IF your last resort was: Take govt handouts, or, go hungry and homeless? What if your kids depended on which choice you made?

I know rhetoric and nonsense will follow. We all know the true answer.

 

[Oddball]

I'd go back to schlepping golf bags at the country club before going on the dole.

What if you couldn't? What if you had become disabled? Or the recession was so bad, the golf course went belly up? OR...they found someone who would do it cheaper than you?

WHAT IF your last resort was: Take govt handouts, or, go hungry and homeless? What if your kids depended on which choice you made?

I know rhetoric and nonsense will follow. We all know the true answer.

And what if monkeys flew out my butt?

What if somebody could come up with even better less than likely doom-and-gloom lifeboat ethics scenarios and put you out of a job?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Bucs90, was Glen Doherty a first responder?

 

[Luissa]

when you see me start a thread like this then you can call me that..

One where you generalize a group of people?

Okay.........

Loser.

when I start a THREAD doing it than you can call me that...

Loser

 

[bucs90]

I'd go back to schlepping golf bags at the country club before going on the dole.

What if you couldn't? What if you had become disabled? Or the recession was so bad, the golf course went belly up? OR...they found someone who would do it cheaper than you?

WHAT IF your last resort was: Take govt handouts, or, go hungry and homeless? What if your kids depended on which choice you made?

I know rhetoric and nonsense will follow. We all know the true answer.

And what if monkeys flew out my butt?

What if somebody could come up with even better less than likely doom-and-gloom lifeboat ethics scenarios and put you out of a job?

You just cant even say (type) it can you? You are so ideological, that you cannot even admit that, in a dire situation, there is a chance that you at SOME point would possibly be a TAKER. You just wont admit it can happen.

I knew that already though. That was the point.

 

[WillowTree]

It's not the people who use government assistance as a leg up that are the problem, that's its purpose; it's the ones who use it as a leg to stand on. Especially those fat-assed WalMart shopping bastards permanently on welfare.

Egg nog?

 

[bucs90]

Bucs90, was Glen Doherty a first responder?

Yes...sort of. You mean the SEAL in Libya that tragically was killed right?

Well, he is a first responder to attacks at anywhere he, or other military members, may be stationed. At military bases in Afghanistan, yes, they are first responders.

However, if you or I or anyone else here had someone with a gun trying to kick in our front door, or we were taken hostage in a bank robbery......they wouldnt be "first" responders, the cops would be.

If you are ever in an emergency inside the United States, call 911. If you call the Army or Marine base, they aren't coming.

 

[WillowTree]

One where you generalize a group of people?

Okay.........

Loser.

when I start a THREAD doing it than you can call me that...

Loser

Pissant!

 

[Oddball]

What if you couldn't? What if you had become disabled? Or the recession was so bad, the golf course went belly up? OR...they found someone who would do it cheaper than you?

WHAT IF your last resort was: Take govt handouts, or, go hungry and homeless? What if your kids depended on which choice you made?

I know rhetoric and nonsense will follow. We all know the true answer.

And what if monkeys flew out my butt?

What if somebody could come up with even better less than likely doom-and-gloom lifeboat ethics scenarios and put you out of a job?

You just cant even say (type) it can you? You are so ideological, that you cannot even admit that, in a dire situation, there is a chance that you at SOME point would possibly be a TAKER. You just wont admit it can happen.

I knew that already though. That was the point.

Ahhh...The old at SOME POINT straw man argument.

I do suppose that AT SOME POINT accepting the offers of a set of crutches and some pain killers, offered up by the people who had crippled me in the first place, might seem like a reasonable course to take....As extremely unlikely as that point may be.

But I'm not the one here who is invested in dreaming up the most extreme and dire of circumstances, to try and claim that those who disagree with the current socialistic welfare state are a bunch of hypocrites....You are.

Do yourself a favor and grow the hell up, m'kay?

 

[Clementine]

I'd go back to schlepping golf bags at the country club before going on the dole.

What if you couldn't? What if you had become disabled? Or the recession was so bad, the golf course went belly up? OR...they found someone who would do it cheaper than you?

WHAT IF your last resort was: Take govt handouts, or, go hungry and homeless? What if your kids depended on which choice you made?

I know rhetoric and nonsense will follow. We all know the true answer.

Who said that people should shouldn't take welfare when they've exhausted all other avenues? It often means swallowing one's pride and doing it for the sake of the kids. Many put forth a serious effort to get off it as soon as possible.

The ones that scam the system are often those that work here illegally and get paid cash. They don't pay taxes or disclose their income when applying for welfare. The illegals often have several families living in one place to reduce expenses. Many that do file taxes for low wages end up with huge refunds- averaging $10,000 each. They claim a lot of children that probably don't exist, at least not in this country. It's a huge scam and hard to say how many even use their real name. Addresses that were checked out were found to be bogus. Yet, the government sends out millions every year in refunds with no questions asked.

I personally know people who knew they could rely on welfare and simply didn't plan for their future by graduating from high school or learning skills. Now they are up that creek without a paddle. For some, it's not the cushy life they thought, yet they are ill-prepared to do much else. It was their own choices that put them at a disadvantage in the job market.

Used to be that young people were constantly told to shape up or they'd face a bleak future. We can't pick up the slack for everyone who fails to contribute to their own welfare, by making good decisions and planning.

Now the economy is terrible and even the best qualified are back living with their parents. Shit happens.

Question is that when jobs start coming back, who will get the best ones? That would be the ones who are prepared to take the opportunities when they present themselves. There are still opportunities out there, but none that I know of will be much good to someone with no education and a police record. They could at least finish high school and get experience at a fast food place. Something. Even if a person is basically a good, honest person who has never been arrested, they need to have a resume that contains actual accomplishments, big and small.

I wouldn't want to live off welfare because it would be a miserable existence and I'd have no feeling of self worth. Even if disabled, I would hate it. So, as long as I have any say, I'll be wise and not do anything to make myself undesirable to employers. No guarantees, but so far it's worked like a charm and I've never gone without. I've had plenty of lean times, especially when I first started out, but I've got skills and can be quite personable. If needed, I'm ready to compete for jobs.

I have done my share of minimum wage work, but when the opportunity for advancement came, I was ready and qualified. You can work your way up from anywhere. Hamburger flippers at fast food places have wound up being regional managers. It's up to the individual to take initiative and have something going for themselves. It doesn't always mean smooth sailing, but it's a hell of a life raft and so many people could have been on different paths had they got a kick in the butt instead of being convinced they are victims who can't make it without govenment.

Honestly, at this point in my life, after paying increasing taxes for years, maybe I would feel fine about taking welfare for a limited time. It would be like some of my own money coming back to me.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The right wing arrogance is hitting all time levels. The new effort to divide and label us is the "makers vs takers" nonsense. "Takers" are a new class of people I guess, to be equated to gypsies and transients by the right wing.

BUT...I ask all the proud, snobbish "makers" of the right wing a few questions. Would you become a "taker" if your home depended on it? Your wife? Your KIDS?

What if something happened and you lost your job and/or your house. Maybe you have some money saved up and can live on it til the next job. But what if, like many Americans, that next job never comes. Or you got hurt and disabled, but had an insurance problem and got caught in a loophole.

Now, Im sure you'd say "Im self reliant, I'd find a way, I'd start a business, etc, etc".

Im sure you would. BUT...what if it didn't happen quick enough? What if unemployment ran out, yet, no new job? What if your kids started getting hungry. And the money started running out.

What would you do? Would you take the drastic step of asking friends and family for help? Sure. But..what if they couldn't? Or you dont have that many of them? Or THEY are struggling too?

Kids need school supplies and clothes. The house you had is foreclosed and you are in a low rent apartment. Kids are hungry.

Almost worst case scenario is playing out for you. And then someone says...."Hey man, go down to the county offices. They have a place you can sign up for food stamps and welfare for a while."

Do you do it? Do you become a......TAKER??? Or do you stick to your believes, go hungry, let your family go without what they need, and keep sinking further into the hole?

We know the answer. But will you give it honestly?

Once again you ask a question then attempt to steer the thread in such a manner so as to elicit a predetermined response.
Now, avoiding the obvious liberal bias of the query and the patently stupid nature of it, the perception of a "taker" is one that can work, refuses to work and feels entitled to live off the taxpayer tit.
SHove off.

 

[bucs90]

And what if monkeys flew out my butt?

What if somebody could come up with even better less than likely doom-and-gloom lifeboat ethics scenarios and put you out of a job?

You just cant even say (type) it can you? You are so ideological, that you cannot even admit that, in a dire situation, there is a chance that you at SOME point would possibly be a TAKER. You just wont admit it can happen.

I knew that already though. That was the point.

Ahhh...The old at SOME POINT straw man argument.

I do suppose that AT SOME POINT accepting the offers of a set of crutches and some pain killers, offered up by the people who had crippled me in the first place, might seem like a reasonable course to take....As extremely unlikely as that point may be.

But I'm not the one here who is invested in dreaming up the most extreme and dire of circumstances, to try and claim that those who disagree with the current socialistic welfare state are a bunch of hypocrites....You are.

Do yourself a favor and grow the hell up, m'kay?

Yes. You are right. I thought up a scenario which is so bizarre, so extreme, that not even Hollywood director Steven Speilberg could have thought it up:

(In the famous movie preview guy's deep dramatic voice)

Once upon a time, a man living in America in a time of recession and depression, lost his job and house...and struggled to make ends meet. From the producers that brought you Avatar and Starship Troopers comes a tale so outrageous and shocking you'll be glad it can never happen.........coming soon to a theater near you......."LAYOFFS AND DEPRESSION"

 

[blackhawk]

And what if monkeys flew out my butt?

What if somebody could come up with even better less than likely doom-and-gloom lifeboat ethics scenarios and put you out of a job?

You just cant even say (type) it can you? You are so ideological, that you cannot even admit that, in a dire situation, there is a chance that you at SOME point would possibly be a TAKER. You just wont admit it can happen.

I knew that already though. That was the point.

Ahhh...The old at SOME POINT straw man argument.

I do suppose that AT SOME POINT accepting the offers of a set of crutches and some pain killers, offered up by the people who had crippled me in the first place, might seem like a reasonable course to take....As extremely unlikely as that point may be.

But I'm not the one here who is invested in dreaming up the most extreme and dire of circumstances, to try and claim that those who disagree with the current socialistic welfare state are a bunch of hypocrites....You are.

Do yourself a favor and grow the hell up, m'kay?

What the OP fails to understand or chooses to ignore is there is a difference between accepting help till you can get back on your feet and deciding to stay on the Government doll indefinitely.

 

[Luissa]

when I start a THREAD doing it than you can call me that...

Loser

Pissant!

We aren't playing the piss ant game, we are playing the loser game.

 

[Oddball]

You just cant even say (type) it can you? You are so ideological, that you cannot even admit that, in a dire situation, there is a chance that you at SOME point would possibly be a TAKER. You just wont admit it can happen.

I knew that already though. That was the point.

Ahhh...The old at SOME POINT straw man argument.

I do suppose that AT SOME POINT accepting the offers of a set of crutches and some pain killers, offered up by the people who had crippled me in the first place, might seem like a reasonable course to take....As extremely unlikely as that point may be.

But I'm not the one here who is invested in dreaming up the most extreme and dire of circumstances, to try and claim that those who disagree with the current socialistic welfare state are a bunch of hypocrites....You are.

Do yourself a favor and grow the hell up, m'kay?

Yes. You are right. I thought up a scenario which is so bizarre, so extreme, that not even Hollywood director Steven Speilberg could have thought it up:

(In the famous movie preview guy's deep dramatic voice)

Once upon a time, a man living in America in a time of recession and depression, lost his job and house...and struggled to make ends meet. From the producers that brought you Avatar and Starship Troopers comes a tale so outrageous and shocking you'll be glad it can never happen.........coming soon to a theater near you......."LAYOFFS AND DEPRESSION"

Blablablablabla....

Nothing like having my legs broken by someone, only to have them hand me a crutch and pat me on the back while they condescendingly tell me how lucky I am to have them around to "help".

Like I said...Grow the hell up.

 

[bucs90]

What you all dont understand is most people DONT say on handouts forever, and most try to get off and back on their feet asap. A far smaller % are handout lifers. But the GOP has tricked you all into thinking there are hordes of "takers" like zombies out there living large off your tax dime. There aren't. A small % are life time handout consumers. Most are temporary.

 

[Oddball]

Right...It's only a little bit to get you by...Everybody tries a little every now and again......Just g'head take a freebie for now...You'll feel beter...It's not like you're going to be hooked on this crap forever!