Zone1 If you want to understand who Musk and Trump truly are, this is the thread.

[Dante]

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If you want to understand who Musk and Trump truly are, and what they are about, think bored rich kids believing the world is their playground, and everything in life is transactional. It's a mindset that few outside of a special club ever completely get to fully embrace. I completely understand. Why would it have to?

"The Musk family was wealthy during Elon's youth. Despite both Elon and Errol previously stating that Errol was a part owner of a Zambian emerald mine, in 2023, Errol recounted that the deal he made was to receive 'a portion of the emeralds produced at three small mines.'" -- reminds me of Trump saying: “My father gave me a very small loan in 1975, and I built it into a company that’s worth many, many billions of dollars."

Trump claimed he turned a ‘small’ $1 million loan from his father into an empire. The New York Times says it was more like $60.7 million in loans​

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During his first debate against Hillary Clinton in September 2016, then-presidential candidate Donald Trump repeated a claim he had often made before in defense of his image as a self-made billionaire.​

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“My father gave me a very small loan in 1975, and I built it into a company that’s worth many, many billions of dollars,” Trump claimed.​

​

A sweeping new investigative report published by The New York Times on Tuesday, however, says that Trump’s father, Fred Trump, had actually lent his son at least $60.7 million.​

Published Tue, Oct 2 2018

Trump claimed he turned a ‘small’ $1 million loan from his father into an empire.
The New York Times says it was more like $60.7 million in loans

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[Meister]

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If you want to understand who Musk and Trump truly are, and what they are about, think bored rich kids believing the world is their playground, and everything in life is transactional. It's a mindset that few outside of a special club ever completely get to fully embrace. I completely understand. Why would it have to?

"The Musk family was wealthy during Elon's youth. Despite both Elon and Errol previously stating that Errol was a part owner of a Zambian emerald mine, in 2023, Errol recounted that the deal he made was to receive 'a portion of the emeralds produced at three small mines.'" -- reminds me of Trump saying: “My father gave me a very small loan in 1975, and I built it into a company that’s worth many, many billions of dollars."

Trump claimed he turned a ‘small’ $1 million loan from his father into an empire. The New York Times says it was more like $60.7 million in loans​

​

During his first debate against Hillary Clinton in September 2016, then-presidential candidate Donald Trump repeated a claim he had often made before in defense of his image as a self-made billionaire.​

​

“My father gave me a very small loan in 1975, and I built it into a company that’s worth many, many billions of dollars,” Trump claimed.​

​

A sweeping new investigative report published by The New York Times on Tuesday, however, says that Trump’s father, Fred Trump, had actually lent his son at least $60.7 million.​

Published Tue, Oct 2 2018
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Trump claimed he turned a ‘small’ $1 million loan from his father into an empire.
The New York Times says it was more like $60.7 million in loans

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Even 'if it was' a 60 million dollar loan, now he's worth 5-7 billion dollars.
That is saying something. Not like he lost it all is it?

 

[The Duke]

It was $60 million into billions.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

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note: The Clean Debate Zone is to be used for the clean debating of Government Policies, Candidates, Current News and Events. No personal attacks, name calling, flaming etc is allowed in this section.

If you want to understand who Musk and Trump truly are, and what they are about, think bored rich kids believing the world is their playground, and everything in life is transactional. It's a mindset that few outside of a special club ever completely get to fully embrace. I completely understand. Why would it have to?

"The Musk family was wealthy during Elon's youth. Despite both Elon and Errol previously stating that Errol was a part owner of a Zambian emerald mine, in 2023, Errol recounted that the deal he made was to receive 'a portion of the emeralds produced at three small mines.'" -- reminds me of Trump saying: “My father gave me a very small loan in 1975, and I built it into a company that’s worth many, many billions of dollars."

Trump claimed he turned a ‘small’ $1 million loan from his father into an empire. The New York Times says it was more like $60.7 million in loans​

​

During his first debate against Hillary Clinton in September 2016, then-presidential candidate Donald Trump repeated a claim he had often made before in defense of his image as a self-made billionaire.​

​

“My father gave me a very small loan in 1975, and I built it into a company that’s worth many, many billions of dollars,” Trump claimed.​

​

A sweeping new investigative report published by The New York Times on Tuesday, however, says that Trump’s father, Fred Trump, had actually lent his son at least $60.7 million.​

Published Tue, Oct 2 2018
View attachment 1081886
Trump claimed he turned a ‘small’ $1 million loan from his father into an empire.
The New York Times says it was more like $60.7 million in loans

Trust Fund Babies - Members in Good Standing of The Lucky Sperm Club

Wow! Trust fund babies who did something with their lives other than have mommy and daddy create a unnecessary government job like all the bureaucrats whining about losing them currently have.

CHUCKLE

 

[Dante]

Even 'if it was' a 60 million dollar loan, now he's worth 5-7 billion dollars.
That is saying something. Not like he lost it all is it?

I guess you don't know what he invested in, what he actually lost, how much and man times hid "Daddy" bailed him out, or the scope and size of his inheritance. Few do or choose to face the facts.

Mr. Ttump did replenish his wealthy with the Fake Reality tv stuff. It's all mostly a public record. A public record Mr. Ttump lies about and fought mightily to keep from becoming public.

 

[Dante]

Wow! Trust fund babies who did something with their lives other than have mommy and daddy create a unnecessary government job like all the bureaucrats whining about losing them currently have.

CHUCKLE

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It was $60 million into billions.

addressed:
see post #5 above

next

 

[Meister]

I guess you don't know what he invested in, what he actually lost, how much and man times hid "Daddy" bailed him out, or the scope and size of his inheritance. Few do or choose to face the facts.

Mr. Ttump did replenish his wealthy with the Fake Reality tv stuff. It's all mostly a public record. A public record Mr. Ttump lies about and fought mightily to keep from becoming public.

Why don't you link me to all of your 'facts', you seem to know a lot about this.

 

[Moonglow]

Even 'if it was' a 60 million dollar loan, now he's worth 5-7 billion dollars.
That is saying something. Not like he lost it all is it?

I am worth more today than when I was born, without the millions in loans.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

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addressed:
see post #5 above

next

No it's not. You haven't addressed the fact that that Trump and Elon accomplished something with their lives nor the latter part of my response.

CHUCKLE

 

[Hellokitty]

These type of attacks against TRUMP and Musk don't work mainly because no one can deny both work non-stop, they're willing to take risks, think outside the box, and get things done.

 

[Dante]

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note: The Clean Debate Zone is to be used for the clean debating of Government Policies, Candidates, Current News and Events. No personal attacks, name calling, flaming etc is allowed in this section.

If you want to understand who Musk and Trump truly are, and what they are about, think bored rich kids believing the world is their playground, and everything in life is transactional. It's a mindset that few outside of a special club ever completely get to fully embrace. I completely understand. Why would it have to?

"The Musk family was wealthy during Elon's youth. Despite both Elon and Errol previously stating that Errol was a part owner of a Zambian emerald mine, in 2023, Errol recounted that the deal he made was to receive 'a portion of the emeralds produced at three small mines.'" -- reminds me of Trump saying: “My father gave me a very small loan in 1975, and I built it into a company that’s worth many, many billions of dollars."

Trump claimed he turned a ‘small’ $1 million loan from his father into an empire. The New York Times says it was more like $60.7 million in loans​

​

During his first debate against Hillary Clinton in September 2016, then-presidential candidate Donald Trump repeated a claim he had often made before in defense of his image as a self-made billionaire.​

​

“My father gave me a very small loan in 1975, and I built it into a company that’s worth many, many billions of dollars,” Trump claimed.​

​

A sweeping new investigative report published by The New York Times on Tuesday, however, says that Trump’s father, Fred Trump, had actually lent his son at least $60.7 million.​

Published Tue, Oct 2 2018
View attachment 1081886
Trump claimed he turned a ‘small’ $1 million loan from his father into an empire.
The New York Times says it was more like $60.7 million in loans

Trust Fund Babies - Members in Good Standing of The Lucky Sperm Club

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Dante posits that when certain upbringings of wealthy youngsters lacks *the self-awareness of privilege (*noblesse oblige), any emotional and societal construct of "shame" does not have to exist.

Elon Musk’s 8 Biggest Business Failures​

Honorary Mention: The Path of Exile 2 Saga​

This final entry to the list is not a business failure but it proved too entertaining to not include it.​

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Over the past few years, Elon Musk tried to establish himself as a top gamer. During a Joe Rogan podcast, he bragged about being a top Quake player back in the day. While that information might be unconfirmed, we do know that Musk played Quake and even participated in tournaments. In more recent events, Musk has focused on the action RPG genre of gaming and titles such as Diablo IV and Path of Exile 2.​

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In Diablo IV, Musk claimed that he was a top 20 player with some of the fastest clear times in the world. This argument was backed by his now ex-wife, the musician Grimes. However...​

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Naturally, users started to question whether the world’s richest man had the time to spend hundreds of hours in PoE2. It wasn’t long before PoE2 streamer Quin69TV made a video about Elon’s playstyle, commenting that he lacked certain skills that would be expected from a player at his level...​

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In Musk’s defense, he never claimed that he was the one leveling up the characters. It was the best kind of spectacle, one with little to no importance and zero consequences but thoroughly enjoyed by everyone (except maybe Musk).​

*phrase of noblesse

1. the inferred responsibility of privileged people to act with generosity and nobility toward those less privileged.
   "there was to being a celebrity a certain element of noblesse oblige"

 

[Moonglow]

These type of attacks against TRUMP and Musk don't work mainly because no one can deny both work non-stop, they're willing to take risks, think outside the box, and get things done.

I highly doubt they never ever stop.

 

[Dante]

Why don't you link me to all of your 'facts', you seem to know a lot about this.

It's all really simple to find with even a cursory use of a search engine. But do to fret. Replies and comments in posts will push the posts in that direction. Give it time.

 

[Dante]

I am worth more today than when I was born, without the millions in loans.

OMG!

How?

 

[Dante]

These type of attacks against TRUMP and Musk don't work mainly because no one can deny both work non-stop, they're willing to take risks, think outside the box, and get things done.

They don't work?

and criticisms as attacks?

Do you feel personally attacked when truths about Mr.s Musk and Trump get a light shone on them?

 

[Moonglow]

OMG!

How?

IDK

 

[Damaged Eagle]

They don't work?

and criticisms as attacks?

Do you feel personally attacked when truths about Mr.s Musk and Trump get a light shone on them?

Don't worry! Trump and Elon will get to your agency soon enough and then you'll either have less time to post here or a whole lot more.

CHUCKLE

 

[Crepitus]

Trust Fund Babies - Members in Good Standing of The Lucky Sperm Club

note: The Clean Debate Zone is to be used for the clean debating of Government Policies, Candidates, Current News and Events. No personal attacks, name calling, flaming etc is allowed in this section.

If you want to understand who Musk and Trump truly are, and what they are about, think bored rich kids believing the world is their playground, and everything in life is transactional. It's a mindset that few outside of a special club ever completely get to fully embrace. I completely understand. Why would it have to?

"The Musk family was wealthy during Elon's youth. Despite both Elon and Errol previously stating that Errol was a part owner of a Zambian emerald mine, in 2023, Errol recounted that the deal he made was to receive 'a portion of the emeralds produced at three small mines.'" -- reminds me of Trump saying: “My father gave me a very small loan in 1975, and I built it into a company that’s worth many, many billions of dollars."

Trump claimed he turned a ‘small’ $1 million loan from his father into an empire. The New York Times says it was more like $60.7 million in loans​

​

During his first debate against Hillary Clinton in September 2016, then-presidential candidate Donald Trump repeated a claim he had often made before in defense of his image as a self-made billionaire.​

​

“My father gave me a very small loan in 1975, and I built it into a company that’s worth many, many billions of dollars,” Trump claimed.​

​

A sweeping new investigative report published by The New York Times on Tuesday, however, says that Trump’s father, Fred Trump, had actually lent his son at least $60.7 million.​

Published Tue, Oct 2 2018
View attachment 1081886
Trump claimed he turned a ‘small’ $1 million loan from his father into an empire.
The New York Times says it was more like $60.7 million in loans

Trust Fund Babies - Members in Good Standing of The Lucky Sperm Club

And he inherited nearly half a billion as well.

 

[Dante]

I highly doubt they never ever stop.

I look at others raised with such privilege and wealth. Most do not try and belittle their privilege, insisting how genius they are, how they hit home runs, when in reality they start out on third base.

I see wealthy families, where even today, the patriarchs and matriarchs try and instill in the minds of their children that sense of privilege, a sense of what is owed to a society that has given them such privilege.

[ The "wealthy principle where much is much is" refers to the concept known as the "Matthew effect," which essentially means that those who already have wealth tend to accumulate even more wealth over time, while those with little wealth struggle to gain more, creating a widening gap; essentially, "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.]

[ Wealth is a privilege, and with it comes the obligation of paying tax to benefit society. ] the Trump's for generations have cheated and stolen where taxes are concerned (Trump Organization Ordered To Pay $1.6 Million For Tax Fraud). ]

 

[Dante]

IDK

Skill, hard work, connections, knowledge earned/learned, and luck? Good luck and timing have played a role?

Hmm...