If you still believe in deadly climate change, this will help you sleep.

[daveman]

Not at all.

Uh huh.

 

[daveman]

What's that from?

Every government agency.

 

[catatomic]

Every government agency.

Then why do they still have to police themselves and each other?

On the other hand, Trump is deregulating everything. Not sure they will take responsibility.

 

[daveman]

Then why do they still have to police themselves and each other?

They have been. They've been watching billions of dollars go out the door with no idea where it's going.

On the other hand, Trump is deregulating everything. Not sure they will take responsibility.

The answer is another agency...DOGE...tasked with finding the fraud, waste, and corruption.

Then houses will be cleaned.

 

[catatomic]

They have been. They've been watching billions of dollars go out the door with no idea where it's going.

The answer is another agency...DOGE...tasked with finding the fraud, waste, and corruption.

Then houses will be cleaned.

And who will police DOGE? I will. Me me me.

 

[Robert W]

I expect more honesty from a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

I really expect much more honesty from the church members.

 

[catatomic]

I really expect much more honesty from the church members.

"The care of the earth and our natural environment is a sacred responsibility entrusted to us by God, which should fill us with a deep sense of duty and humility. It is also an integral component of our discipleship." - Gerald Cause "Our Earthly Stewardship."

 

[ReinyDays]

Study Confirms Climate Models are Getting Future Warming Projections Right - NASA Science

A new evaluation of global climate models used to project Earth's future global average surface temperature finds that most have been quite accurate.

science.nasa.gov

These models are the solution to the differential equations. I did a master's thesis with a big set of differential equations. The math is known and works, although the more complicated the more non-linear it can be.

That's not a citation, that's a educational tool for middle school teachers ... did you read the study in Geophysical Research Letters? ... they only looked at the most accurate 17 computer simulations ... out of how many 10's of thousands? ... the test here is to use weather data from 1925 and correctly project today's weather ... IF you want us to believe these computer simulation are accurate to 2125 ... which is the claim ...

Why do you think to use Differential Equations? ... do you need a name for the set? ... because Atmospheric Science uses Naviar/Stokes for their dynamic work ... the subject here is climate, and climatologists use ∆t = 100 years ... and not ∂t like you seem to insist ... if you'll excuse my indiscretion ...

The sad part here is you don't seem to know the difference between a computer simulation and a scientific model ... which why I doubt your mathematical credentials ... programming a computer is easy, it's the math we're programing that's difficult ... luckily the math here is fairly straight forward algebra ... irradiation from the Sun is proportional to Earth's surface temperature raised to the fourth power ... any of this sound familiar? ...

As an alternative, the IPCC uses the "classical" form of ∆T = 5.35 W/m^2 k ln (CF/CO) [where T=temperature, k=sensitivity, C=carbon concentration final and original] ... very little difference at temperatures below 10,000ºC ...

Do you know how to read a scientific instrument? ... the red line in the graphs are ± 0.5ºC ... all the raw temperature data is kept to the nearest whole degree Celsius ... averages can never be more accurate ... if you were a mathematician, you'd have known that ... an inch-wide red slash through these graphs that obliterates all else ... go read the paper at GRL ...

The "Ensemble" can only output what it is programmed to output ...

 

[Robert W]

"The care of the earth and our natural environment is a sacred responsibility entrusted to us by God, which should fill us with a deep sense of duty and humility. It is also an integral component of our discipleship." - Gerald Cause "Our Earthly Stewardship."

We have a duty to spread the truth. Which is what I do. What is your duty over 195 countries?

 

[catatomic]

We have a duty to spread the truth. Which is what I do. What is your duty over 195 countries?

To spread the truth.

 

[catatomic]

That's not a citation, that's a educational tool for middle school teachers ... did you read the study in Geophysical Research Letters? ... they only looked at the most accurate 17 computer simulations ... out of how many 10's of thousands? ... the test here is to use weather data from 1925 and correctly project today's weather ... IF you want us to believe these computer simulation are accurate to 2125 ... which is the claim ...

Why do you think to use Differential Equations? ... do you need a name for the set? ... because Atmospheric Science uses Naviar/Stokes for their dynamic work ... the subject here is climate, and climatologists use ∆t = 100 years ... and not ∂t like you seem to insist ... if you'll excuse my indiscretion ...

The sad part here is you don't seem to know the difference between a computer simulation and a scientific model ... which why I doubt your mathematical credentials ... programming a computer is easy, it's the math we're programing that's difficult ... luckily the math here is fairly straight forward algebra ... irradiation from the Sun is proportional to Earth's surface temperature raised to the fourth power ... any of this sound familiar? ...

As an alternative, the IPCC uses the "classical" form of ∆T = 5.35 W/m^2 k ln (CF/CO) [where T=temperature, k=sensitivity, C=carbon concentration final and original] ... very little difference at temperatures below 10,000ºC ...

Do you know how to read a scientific instrument? ... the red line in the graphs are ± 0.5ºC ... all the raw temperature data is kept to the nearest whole degree Celsius ... averages can never be more accurate ... if you were a mathematician, you'd have known that ... an inch-wide red slash through these graphs that obliterates all else ... go read the paper at GRL ...

The "Ensemble" can only output what it is programmed to output ...

Show me don't tell me.

 

[ReinyDays]

Show me don't tell me.

I did ... Stefan/Boltzmann Law ... irradiation is proportional to temperature raised to the four power ...

If this doesn't sound familiar ... I'd be happy to explain ... or just do your own damn research ... you have yet to state something mathematical ... for all I know, your master's thesis was about cookie dough elasticity ... now there's some diffy q's that'll make you constipated ... and in an infinitely short period of time ...

 

[catatomic]

I did ... Stefan/Boltzmann Law ... irradiation is proportional to temperature raised to the four power ...

If this doesn't sound familiar ... I'd be happy to explain ... or just do your own damn research ... you have yet to state something mathematical ... for all I know, your master's thesis was about cookie dough elasticity ... now there's some diffy q's that'll make you constipated ... and in an infinitely short period of time ...

Show me they cherry-picked the models in a negligent way. Because if the models work, it's hard to make a counter-argument.

 

[daveman]

And who will police DOGE? I will. Me me me.

You can apply for the job. Don't hold your breath.

 

[ReinyDays]

Show me they cherry-picked the models in a negligent way. Because if the models work, it's hard to make a counter-argument.

When have I claimed the climate models are cherry-picked? ... what ignorant strawman are you arguing with? ... my claim is climate models become more in accurate as the time frame increases ... such that any claim past 72 hours is suspect ... any meteorologist would agree ... maybe fake math experts disagree ...

Again ... do you have a scientific citation? ... from a reputable scientific journal ... that backs up you claim ... computer simulations are accurate in short, non-climatological, time frames? ... only 17 over the past fifty years has proven such ... even a broken clock is right twice a day ...

Obviously you don't know how to read scientific instruments ... which Mickey Mouse college gave you a masters without you knowing this? ... you should ask for your money back ...

 

[catatomic]

When have I claimed the climate models are cherry-picked? ... what ignorant strawman are you arguing with? ...

Again ... do you have a scientific citation? ... from a reputable scientific journal ... that backs up you claim ... computer simulations are accurate in short, non-climatological, time frames? ... only 17 over the past fifty years has proven such ... even a broken clock is right twice a day ...

Obviously you don't know how to read scientific instruments ... which Mickey Mouse college gave you a masters without you knowing this? ...

It was a first tier University with a good math program.

I've read hundreds of papers, but most of them just model one small thing. I never read one that modeled everything. That's why I'm referring to the study that NASA presented.

 

[ReinyDays]

It was a first tier University with a good math program.

I've read hundreds of papers, but most of them just model one small thing. I never read one that modeled everything. That's why I'm referring to the study that NASA presented.

Have you read the study? ... I've read hundreds of papers myself and none of them claim what you have claimed ... instead you refer to a Middle School educational document put out by ... aeronautical engineers ... pretty lame ... and please read the study and tell me picking the 17 best examples is a good indication of all climate models ever written ...

Any and all "first tier" universities would have made you take a basic science class ... where you would have been taught how to read a scientific instrument, like a thermometer ... why is it you don't know how to do this? ...

You still haven't posted any math of any kind ... are you chicken or something? ...

ETA: Here's a link to what Atmospheric Scientists at NOAA say about model accuracy ... "Climate Modeling" --- Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory ... now there's some complicated differential equations, boy-oh-boy, makes your master's thesis look like puppy poop ... ...

These are the real experts ... see how they say both of us are both right and wrong? ... they don't say these models are accurate, they say they are useful ... which is just as important ... it's all about unit volume and FLOPS ...

 

[daveman]

Have you read the study? ... I've read hundreds of papers myself and none of them claim what you have claimed ... instead you refer to a Middle School educational document put out by ... aeronautical engineers ... pretty lame ... and please read the study and tell me picking the 17 best examples is a good indication of all climate models ever written ...

Any and all "first tier" universities would have made you take a basic science class ... where you would have been taught how to read a scientific instrument, like a thermometer ... why is it you don't know how to do this? ...

You still haven't posted any math of any kind ... are you chicken or something? ...

He's hoping for something like this:

 

[ReinyDays]

He's hoping for something like this:

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Note he brought up "cherry-picking" first ... when that was never my argument ... slippery like an eel ...

 

[daveman]

Note he brought up "cherry-picking" first ... when that was never my argument ... slippery like an eel ...

You can safely disregard everything he says.