If you still believe in deadly climate change, this will help you sleep.

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How many predictions of doom made since 1996 came true?

What were they?

 

[catatomic]

What were they?

Just that we need to be along the path or eventually it will catch up to us.

 

[ding]

Just that we need to be along the path or eventually it will catch up to us.

I don't see it that way. The northern hemisphere is deglaciating like it always does during an interglacial period of which there have been 30 such instances during the last 3 million years.

 

[catatomic]

I don't see it that way. The northern hemisphere is deglaciating like it always does during an interglacial period of which there have been 30 such instances during the last 3 million years.
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Let me know when you make a headline.

 

[ding]

Let me know when you make a headline.

It's not new news.

 

[ding]

Let me know when you make a headline.

How about these headlines?

The evidence shows that abrupt climate changes (warming and cooling) are caused by changes in ocean currents.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaf5529?adobe_mc=MCMID=24445298415631476812898182430771639861|MCORGID=242B6472541199F70A4C98A6%40AdobeOrg|TS=1723213472

Sudden climate changes in the recent geological record

https://www.science.org/content/article/crippled-atlantic-currents-triggered-ice-age-climate-change

Collapse and rapid resumption of Atlantic meridional circulation linked to deglacial climate changes - Nature

Destabilisation of the Subpolar North Atlantic prior to the Little Ice Age - Nature Communications

Snapshots of mean ocean temperature over the last 700 000 years using noble gases in the EPICA Dome C ice core

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031018285800201

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1029/PA005i004p00469

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2010PA0020

 

[catatomic]

It's not new news.

You might be right, but this is what you're up against:

can global warming be accounted for by abrupt changes in ocean currents?

ChatGPT said:​

Abrupt changes in ocean currents can contribute to global warming, but they are not the primary driver. Instead, global warming is mainly caused by human activities, particularly the burning of fossil fuels, which release greenhouse gases (GHGs) like carbon dioxide (CO₂) and methane (CH₄) into the atmosphere. However, changes in ocean currents can have significant regional and global climate effects.

How Ocean Currents Affect Climate:​

1. Thermohaline Circulation (The Global Conveyor Belt)
   
   • The ocean's thermohaline circulation moves warm and cold water around the globe. If this system weakens or changes abruptly (such as the slowing of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation [AMOC]), it can disrupt weather patterns, causing extreme temperatures and shifting rainfall patterns.
2. El Niño and La Niña Events
   
   • These natural variations in Pacific Ocean currents impact global climate, causing extreme weather conditions such as droughts, heatwaves, and stronger storms. However, they operate on relatively short timescales and cannot fully explain the long-term trend of global warming.
3. Melting Ice and Freshwater Input
   
   • Increased melting from ice sheets (e.g., Greenland) adds freshwater to the ocean, potentially disrupting major currents like the AMOC. This could cause some regions to cool (e.g., Northern Europe) while others warm faster (e.g., the tropics), intensifying climate instability.

Can Ocean Currents Alone Explain Global Warming?​

No. While ocean currents influence climate, the long-term, global increase in temperatures aligns closely with rising greenhouse gas concentrations, not just oceanic shifts. However, abrupt changes in ocean circulation can accelerate or intensify regional climate changes, making some areas experience warming (or even temporary cooling) faster than others.

Would you like to explore how changing ocean currents might affect specific regions?

Again, you might be right, but you are up against that.

 

[ding]

can global warming be accounted for by abrupt changes in ocean currents?

Yes. When heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic is disrupted, the northern hemisphere glaciates and the oceans and atmosphere cool. When heat is circulated from the Atlantic to the Arctic the northern hemisphere deglaciates - like it is today - the oceans and atmosphere warm like they have done so for every interglacial period of the past 3 million years.

 

[catatomic]

Yes. When heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic is disrupted, the northern hemisphere glaciates and the oceans and atmosphere cool. When heat is circulated from the Atlantic to the Arctic the northern hemisphere deglaciates - like it is today - the oceans and atmosphere warm like they have done so for every interglacial period of the past 3 million years.

I don't know and I can ask, but it seems like this couldn't account for the temperature rising for a long time.

 

[ding]

I don't know and I can ask, but it seems like this couldn't account for the temperature rising for a long time.

This is what has been going on for the past 3 million years. It's because of the landmass configuration of the northern hemisphere and how sensitive it is to the heat circulation of the oceans and the negative feedback of glaciation / positive feedback of deglaciation in the northern hemisphere.

 

[catatomic]

This is what has been going on for the past 3 million years. It's because of the landmass configuration of the northern hemisphere and how sensitive it is to the heat circulation of the oceans and the negative feedback of glaciation / positive feedback of deglaciation in the northern hemisphere.

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i doubt it sir.

 

[ding]

i doubt it sir.

 

[catatomic]

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I don't want to argue forever.

 

[Sunsettommy]

I don't want to argue forever.

Yet you continue to post empty replies and zero counterpoints.

Too hard for you?

 

[daveman]

Go with the mainstream scientists who aren't in it for the money.

Name one.

Hint: They're all in it for the money.

I'm reaching for people's hearts.

I'm not willing to agree to the destruction of Western economies to satisfy your emotions.

 

[daveman]

How many predictions of doom made since 1996 came true?

All of them made by mainstream scientists not interested in money who were in the majority, since none of them were set to occur yet!

You may say, AOC said that we have 10 years to live -

What she meant was that calamity would be unavoidable in the future if we don't take enough action in 10 years.

Yeah, you're dismissed. You're simply not serious.

And no, I won't vote for you, for any office you choose to run for.

 

[daveman]

You might be right, but this is what you're up against:

can global warming be accounted for by abrupt changes in ocean currents?

ChatGPT said:​

ChatGPT = GIGO.

 

[catatomic]

ChatGPT = GIGO.

My friends who are professors are not in it for the money.

Western economies? We don't have to stray from capitalism but you sound like you want to cut off your nose to spite your face.

I am serious and I will never give up on your vote.

Chat GPT = the whole Internet in, it analyzed extremely well, and written well.

 

[ding]

I don't want to argue forever.

If you study the non-controversial empirical climate evidence of the geologic record, you won't have to.

 

[ding]

I don't want to argue forever.

1. Ocean currents establish climate.
2. The ocean is the largest collector of solar energy.
3. The ocean stores the majority of the planet's heat.
4. The ocean is the largest feature of the planet.
5. The mass of the ocean is 300 times the mass of the atmosphere.
6. The ocean contains 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere.
7. The ocean heats the atmosphere.
8. The atmosphere does not heat the ocean.
9. Physical evidence shows that when ocean currents change, the climate changes.
10. Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for northern hemisphere glaciation and deglaciation.
11. Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for the initiation of the Little Ice Age.
12. Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for the end of the Little Ice Age.